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In March 2025, in the thread "Re: OT, out", Umm asked the members: "Do you think it is because America is made up of magical soil that makes businesses based in America magically profitable?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: Dope1 ⎊  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Vance Failed. No Deal.
Date: 04/12/26 2:58 PM
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We had already destroyed their ability to make nuclear weapons, in the present tense. Remember? We obliterated their nuclear program last year. An obvious illustration of how blowing stuff up can't achieve an objective about the future state of Iran, since that's something that we still need to secure. Through a deal of some kind, apparently. Perhaps we could call that deal some kind of plan of action. Maybe something that's comprehensive?

You mean like a "Joint plan of action"? We tried that once, and it had zero effect. Other than tell the Iranians that if they just waited 15 years they could have a nuke *and* all their sanctions lifted.

No, we want them to agree to never pursue nuclear weapons.

The Administration has voiced different objectives:

It helps to abstract what they're saying up to the proper level: Reduce or eliminate the Iranian regime's ability to project power in the region.

That's it.

ur list is different from both of theirs, since you have 3+4, 5, 6, and 7 (surprisingly, not nukes),

No. The power projection objective covers it all. I think you're reaching here.

My question was how we can possibly think we've achieved our war objectives if we haven't actually prevented them from ever having a nuclear weapon, since that was one of our most important objectives?

This is a bad question. We don't want them to try again.

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