Then we will just have to disagree. I think that if you have a valid deportation order issued by a court, AND you stay anyway, that make you a criminal even if you were not one prior to the judges order.

But Mike, you haven't shown that anyone on that plane had a deportation order AND stayed. Why didn't ICE remove them when they were in court and the judge ordered their removal? So your rebuttal isn't on point - it's almost valid by itself - but it isn't about the people on the planes- my initial point. A subsequent point is it looks like you're going after what is easiest to grab - not criminals. And you obfuscate on that point by the assumption that what could be a misdemeanor is a crime. It doesn't become a crime because we want it to be. There's no proof they were criminals, and I doubt if the kids were.

valid deportation order issued by a court, AND you stay anyway, that make you a criminal even if you were not one prior to the judges order.

That'll be a good exercise. Why don't you research and find out if what you are saying is true, that it is a crime and exactly when it becomes a crime. Adios! :)

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