Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
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How long have the libs given us before we all are forced to drive an EV. Is it 2035?, maybe longer. No worries, the Feds will be sure we are ready...
Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold: "We got a bunch of dead robots out here," one man said.
Kevin Sumrak told the Fox station that he landed Sunday night at Chicago O'Hare International Airport and found his Tesla dead and unable to start. He was forced to hire a flatbed tow truck to haul the vehicle to a working charging station. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chicago-area-tes...
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"We got a bunch of dead robots out here," one man said.
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This sort of colorful language to describe accurately the actual event will earn you a lower rating by MBFC.
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Yup. Batteries don't like cold weather. At all.
They don't like hot weather either.
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Cold weather! So it works well EXCEPT when cold hits? Might kind of limit the market for the machines in the world to drivers who live within ~~~35 degrees of the equator??? It doesn't help that trips exceeding 300 miles will likely demand that drivers stop for an hour or two while they 'tank up'. Hopefully their wait for their turn at the 'pump' won't make them too angry.
Cold and the nasty elements of manufacturing and disposing of batteries should be a part of the economics of driving EV's. There is more. Energy. Energy is what is needed to do work. Whether measured in Joules, BTU, Kilowatt-hours, or furlongs per fortnight. Energy is what is needed to do work. Whether that's fueling earth moving equipment or propelling trucks and passenger vehicles down the highway or lighting light bulbs or ???. There is more to the energy rub, but one can get the idea.
There is a useful Wiki article on the topic of Energy Density. In particular, refer to the paragraph "In energy storage and fuels".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_densityIn energy storage and fuelsRefer to the chart titled "Selected Energy Densities"
Batteries of various descriptions: ~~~5 MJoules/Liter
Gasoline/Diesel: ~35 MJoules/Liter
A 7:1 disadvantage ratio. Not too good for batteries.
There are some readers who might not be able to make the connection. It takes some above average critical thinking to find the right dots and then connect them.
(I find it a puzzle that Musk is completely immersed in the EV scam; being the [recoverable] rocket man and starlink man and boring man and all that.)
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Left something out of my reply:
Hertz got rid of 20,000 EV's. Seems like no one wanted to rent one. Might we take a nugget of reality from that???
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas carsThere is a message there if we just look for it.
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BHM: How long have the libs given us before we all are forced to drive an EV.
Right now, that would be forever. The federal government currently has no plan to force you to drive an EV.
The Biden administration has an aspirational 2030 EV goal of 50% for new car sales but it's only a goal. And the EPA has yet to finalize future emission standards.
BrerBear: Cold weather! So it works well EXCEPT when cold hits? Might kind of limit the market for the machines in the world to drivers who live within ~~~35 degrees of the equator??? It doesn't help that trips exceeding 300 miles will likely demand that drivers stop for an hour or two while they 'tank up'.
Not cold weather, -16 degree temperatures. Even regular car batteries sparking internal combustion engines have trouble at sixteen below zero (ten below on the lake front).
In 150 years, Chicago has seen just 208 days drop to or below -10 degrees.
But enjoy your silliness.
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Yes, batteries don't like extreme hot or extreme cold. Tesla got around that with temperature control of their batteries. However, that does take energy.
Probably best not to leave your EV in long-term parking. Of course, that can apply to an IC car, also. I've let or Jeep sit too long, and come out to find a dead battery. It would be worse in airport long-term parking in Chicago in the winter.
Now I try to drive our Jeep at least once every two weeks.
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OPG: Now I try to drive our Jeep at least once every two weeks.
Yep. Same here. Storage batteries don't like to sit 'idle' too long. Fact of life. We deal with it here, in Sunny SoCal.
And the older they are, the less tolerant they are. Independent of the concerns of extreme temps.
The issues EV's have is all of that, plus above and beyond, in their limitations.
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Of course, that can apply to an IC car, also. I've let or Jeep sit too long, and come out to find a dead battery. - 1pg
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Of course, with conventional you can get a jump start off anyone willing to help you. With an EV, it is a flatbed ride to a charging station.
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In general, yes.
As with all things, there are positives and negatives. If I leave my EV at home plugged into my home charger, and Uber to the airport, I will have a "full" vehicle when I get back. Long-term parking vs Uber is likely a wash, depending on duration of the trip. There is also almost no maintenance cost with an EV. The biggest downside to EV is recharge time during a trip. You have to plan your charging stops ahead, though that will be less of a problem as the network gets built-out more. I'm certain the early days of ICE experienced similar refueling problems on long trips.
Tesla has the largest network, and so the fewest issues in that regard. But it still takes about half an hour to charge.
Disclosure: we have an ID4, not a Tesla
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There is also almost no maintenance cost with an EV.
Other than replacing the entire battery pack should you choose to keep the car for a while.
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True. Perhaps every 10 years or so. But no tuneups, oil changes, timing belts, or any of that. Plus the major services at 30k and 50k for most ICE vehicles.
The 12v battery (yes, an EV has one) about every 5 years, wipers every couple of years, tires as needed. That's about it.
In the end, no matter which you choose, there are expenses. An ICE is continuous, especially if you include fuel. An EV is just once in a while if you have a home charger. But it's still not free.
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I am up to about 10K miles on my Hyundai Ioniq 5. It is just plain fun to drive. For the geeks in the crowd, it can charge at about 240Kw, delivered as 800V with 300Amps. That pretty much gets me out of the charging station in about 15 minutes. I have taken it to the snow a few times and with the AWD does just fine. It does go through charge pretty quickly in cold weather so some planning is required.
I think the best use for the EV is home charging and driving around town. I have done a few road trips, but the charging stops add significant time to the trips. Some EV vendors will provide a loaner ICE car for longer trips.
And yes, ICE cars also have problems in extreme cold weather.
Alan
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Both hot and cold affect EVs, and not just because of battery chemistry. Our range goes down in summer because we run the A/C. Winter we don't need the heater much (Phoenix), but both would rely on energy from the big battery. Note that ICE mpg goes down if you run the A/C, also.
With no A/C, we charge to about 270 miles. It turns out to be a little less with freeway speeds and no stopping, because of air resistance (increases with speed) and the lack of regen from the brakes.
Around town, and when I commuted to work, it is ideal.
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<<OPG: Around town, and when I commuted to work, it is ideal.>>
Exactly. That's a perfect profile for a user. Starts at the beginning of the day and stops at the end of the day, at your starting point. Plug in, go into the house, sleep, and when ready for the next day, battery is also ready.
A larger scale of the same app would be the USPS, driving their mini vans on daily delivery routes, returning to base recharger at the end of the day.
Another useful app would be where the vehicle always starts out at point A, drives to point B, plugs in, and driver retires for the night. They waste zero time on charging. (There MUST be a KNOWN and AVAILABLE recharging resource at point B.
Ordinary users (families), if they can afford it, have two vehicles. One for around town errands, school, work, back home for the night, and a second vehicle for when they need longer trips.
