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MUG-SHOT: Trump Capitalizes on Jail Photo With T-Shirts, Mugs, and Bumper Stickers

It didn't take long for former President Donald Trump to capitalize on his mugshot after being arrested and processed at Georgia's Fulton County Jail on Thursday.

Hours after the arrest, Trump's 2024 campaign released a line of merchandise plastered with his mugshot and the slogan, 'NEVER SURRENDER!'

As of reporting, the Trump campaign is currently selling t-shirts (both short and long sleeve), mugs, beer koozies, and bumper stickers emblazoned with the mugshot, alongside more typical merchandise such as red 'Make America Great Again' hats.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/mug-shot-trump-capi...

LurkerMom: Hours after the arrest, Trump's 2024 campaign released a line of merchandise plastered with his mugshot and the slogan, 'NEVER SURRENDER!'

Umm, that mugshot he's merchandising to the cult was taken after he literally surrendered at a Georgia jail in the 2020 election interference case.

Umm, that mugshot he's merchandising to the cult was taken after he literally surrendered at a Georgia jail in the 2020 election interference case.

And so?

As soon as I saw Trump's mug shot I said...they will be marketing that to the gullible MAGAs. LOL. Trump trying to look tough. Silly little twit.

Silly little twit.

Oh? Is 'Silly little twit' your sign off name, ges?

Oh? Is 'Silly little twit' your sign off name, ges?

Nah. NPC's just pass on messages. They don't have personalities of their own.

Al Capone was a media hound, too. I'm sure if they had "merch" in the 30s, he would have had some.

"If somebody's gonna mess with me, I'm gonna mess with him."

LurkerMom: And so?

So his merchandise tagline, "Never Surrender," is exactly what he did yesterday. He surrendered. And the merchandise uses the image, a mugshot, taken after he surrendered. Or is it the word "never" that confuses you?

In any event, irony is not the Trump Cults' long suit, evidently.

Trump Cults

When you run around saying everyone else is in a cult...

...the cult member is probably you. Unhealthy obsessions and all that.

'NEVER SURRENDER'...the grift.
nor impervity of logic, STEM.

Al Capone was a media hound, too. I'm sure if they had "merch" in the 30s, he would have had some.


Joe Vladimir Biden: "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money"

And guess what he got fired.

Don't mess with Joe Vladimir Biden.

In any event, irony is not the Trump Cults' long suit, evidently.

You lefties call 'Trump, the con'

Guess what? Trump surrendering was a false flag, now Trump will be raking in millions and millions of dollars for his campaign fund using his mug shot.

Trump's daughter in law was talking about it on FOX using the mug shot to benefit them
before Trump ever got to Georgia.

CNN showed the mugshot 188 times.
I'd say there are some folks with some serious obsession issues...ever see Fatal Attraction? Glenn Close has nothing on some of the posters here.

CNN showed the mugshot 188 times.
I'd say there are some folks with some serious obsession issues...ever see Fatal Attraction? Glenn Close has nothing on some of the posters here.

Trump is news. And clickbait. If it gets eyeballs, they'll keep showing it. That's nothing new. Expect Trump to be in the news cycle a lot for the next year or two. Every stage of the prosecution will be covered redundantly/repeatedly.

Every stage of the prosecution will be covered redundantly/repeatedly.

The word you're looking for is 'obsessively'. Or better yet: religiously. See what I did there?

I think I can help you Dope1.

Commonone is making reference to the legion whose misplaced or excessive admiration for Trump has not wavered over the past 6 years in spite of the following multiple choice of developments.

A. Attempts to normalize the random grabbing/groping of women and by their genitalia.
B. As commander in chief, sides with Putin over the consensus of US intel & national security teams.
C. Delays defense supplies authorized by US Congress for the Ukrainian people living under Russian bombardment.
D. Subverts the nation's democratic process by interfering in state election tallies and certifications.
E. Slanders volunteer GA election workers with fabricated untruths regarding their handling of cast ballots.
F. Fails to respond to an organized attack on the US Capital and the resulting trauma and loss of lives.

G. All of the above

That's right Dope1, they're all true, but congrats if you selected (G), the most correct answer.
Most of us were raised to value honesty, loyalty, duty, unity and a basic respect for fair play.
Elected leaders aren't entitled to a free pass on these values. They're supposed to reinforce them.

Is there a better word than "cult" to explain the Trump crowd's unmooring from such core principles of decency?

CmoreBmore

Commonone is making reference to the legion whose misplaced or excessive admiration for Trump

Actually, he/she is doing a bang up job of impersonating Alexandra Forrest.

Mr. Trump, Mr. Meadows and the others charged stand accused of violating the State of Georgia's criminal code by attempting to alter the state's electoral outcome. This allegedly part of a wider strategy that was being orchestrated in other states - Wisconsin, Arizona, etc.

This is not jaywalking or littering. Should a trial for such historical and consequential charges be anything less than thorough, exhaustive, hyper-focused? Umm, no. Certainly not. Never.

The word I'm looking for is "judiciously", NOT "religiously".



CmoreBmore

CNN showed the mugshot 188 times.
I'd say there are some folks with some serious obsession issues...ever see Fatal Attraction? Glenn Close has nothing on some of the posters here. - Dope

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Also, Fox news reported, so you know it's not true, that the Sheriff leaked the mug shot to CNN many hours before it was made available to the rest of MSM. Apparently, CNN still enjoys it's most favored status among the biased news organizations. Like when CNN just coincidently had a news van parked outside of Roger Stones home, in the middle of the night, when the FBI swat team armed to the teeth rousted and arrested this dangerous 70 year old terrorist.

"Actually, he/she is doing a bang up job of impersonating Alexandra Forrest."


Dope1,

Even to the untrained eye, this clearly reads as diversion - intellectual cowardice.
Disappointing, because you were part of the NEVER SURRENDER parade in this thread.
Give yourself the benefit of the doubt & reconsider quietly the substance of the exchange.

Sincere best wishes,

CmoreBmore

Dope1: Actually, he/she is doing a bang up job of impersonating Alexandra Forrest.

Although I have never seen "Fatal Attraction," I did see parts of "The Natural" a few nights ago and thought Glenn Close was charming as Iris, standing all aglow in that shimmering white dress as a beacon of hope for Roy Hobbs.

I preferred the Malamud novel to the film of the same name but have always admired Malamud and enthusiastically recommend "The Stories of Bernard Malamud" which features many of the stories from his 1959 National Book Award for Fiction winning collection, "The Magic Barrel." He was awarded a second National Book Award for Fiction in 1967 for "The Fixer," which was also awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in that same year. Flannery O'Connor wrote of him: "I have discovered a short-story writer who is better than any of them, including myself." Philip Roth, Saul Bellow, John Cheever, and Anthony Burgess admired Malamud.

Briefly, though, back to what you claim is my "obsession" with Trump.

To put it bluntly, Trump is the most dangerous man to American freedom and democracy since WWII. He is a con man, a criminal, absent of any sense of morality, a vulgarian entirely without empathy or the slightest hint of interest in anyone or anything other than himself.

His stunning incompetence -- deliberately pitting states against one another to obtain basic supplies during the pandemic and pushing the absurd view that wearing a mask was a political statement against him rather than an attempt to keep people safe -- led to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. And his conspiracy to use fraudulent electors to delay the electoral count and his subsequent incitement of an insurrection to remain in power after losing a free and fair election have weakened American ideals and irreparably harmed American institutions.

Trump is like dog sh!t on the sole of my shoe and I will continue to scrape away at it -- shine the healing power of sunlight on it every day if necessary -- until every last flake of his foulness is revealed, removed, long gone and completely forgotten.

"This is not jaywalking or littering. Should a trial for such historical and consequential charges be anything less than thorough, exhaustive, hyper-focused? Umm, no. Certainly not. Never."

Absolutely. To do this properly it will clearly take at least as long as it has taken to properly determine that Hunter lied on his firearms permit, or as long as it has taken to determine the proper ownership of the infamous laptop from Hell, or that Hunter did in fact receive money from China. etc.. etc, etc.. Bring on the subpoenas.

completely forgotten. - CO

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That will never happen since your side extracts just so much satisfaction from wallowing with your friends in TDS.

"CNN just coincidently had a news van parked..."

Mike,

With respect, this is precisely how conspiracy theories take hold. Let's be clear, Roger Stone was a suspect long before CNN parked their van with the ready camera. He was convicted by a jury of peers on seven felony counts, including obstruction, making false statements under oath and witness tampering. He's made of career of political dirty tricks. It seems he's not so much a "rule of law" kind of guy. A little karma ran over his dogma.

CNN has always been the loudest, gaudiest dame at the ball. They can afford to park news vans outside of Roger Stone's, OJ's or John Edward's home. CNN's slant is not "left" or "right". Their angle is primarily "circus". So how does one get off CNN's radar? Don't give them "circus". They love their "circus" ratings, they'll go fishing where they can catch fish - the biggest, gaudiest ones.

CmoreBmore


P.S. I agree with your assessment of Fox as a third rate propaganda tool.
I'm not sure how they'll ever establish objective credibility after such systemic lying to their base.

Mr. Trump, Mr. Meadows and the others charged stand accused of violating the State of Georgia's criminal code by attempting to alter the state's electoral outcome. This allegedly part of a wider strategy that was being orchestrated in other states - Wisconsin, Arizona, etc.

This is not jaywalking or littering. Should a trial for such historical and consequential charges be anything less than thorough, exhaustive, hyper-focused? Umm, no. Certainly not. Never.

The word I'm looking for is "judiciously", NOT "religiously".

Yeah, we've never had any losing Presidential candidate engage in lawfare to try to overturn an election. Has never happened in the United States. We've just never seen anything like this. At all. Ever.

The correct word is "religiously", because it's now NPC gospel that Trump must be guilt of FREAKING SOMETHING SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE and you're just going to get him.

Even to the untrained eye, this clearly reads as diversion - intellectual cowardice.

No it doesn't. It represents boredom with repeated posts on the same topic and an abject refusal to consider the political motivations behind the various indictments.

In other words: you people want to set the most anti-Trump premise you can, force others to accept it and debate on your terms, and then beat every over the head with it.

Want real intellectual cowardice? That's what it looks like. Physician, heal thyself.

And for the record, I'll say what I've always said just to put you away: If Trump is guilty and the findings aren't some vague "conspiracy" nonsense, then he will get his day in court and whatever comes from that process. But people who constantly front the HE'S GUILTY thang don't do nuance, don't do actual fact finding, and just want to shout stuff at other people. Good luck with that.

Trump Cults

Dope: When you run around saying everyone else is in a cult...

...the cult member is probably you. Unhealthy obsessions and all that.

Well part of Trump's base are Evangelicals who think he is a modern King Cyrus, a non-believer who is anointed by God and aids Christianity.

In 2018 they billed him as King Cyrus.
"Cyrus was born in the sixth century B.C.E. and became the first emperor of Persia. Isaiah 45 celebrates Cyrus for freeing a population of Jews who were held captive in Babylon. Cyrus is the model for a nonbeliever appointed by God as a vessel for the purposes of the faithful."
"Exit polling showed they were voting for Trump to get "Justices". So as a group they were voting to get Xtian and Conservative Justices in the judicial system and on the Supreme Court. That paid off. So he's the "anointed one" to them, or they wouldn't have gotten the justices.
Trump won an astonishing 81 percent of self-identified white Evangelicals nationally in the 2016 general election and an only slightly less overwhelming 76 percent in 2020. "
"[L]oyalty to Trump was evident in interviews with more than a dozen Iowa pastors in the wake of Trump's indictment. Each cited Trump's role in helping overturn Roe vs. Wade as central to the long-term rethinking about him since his first campaign. Several also pointed to Trump's recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital and moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to the holy city.
'I appreciate the fact that, for what seems like the first time in my lifetime, someone did what they said they were going to do,' said the Rev. Kerry Jech of Marshalltown. 'With Donald Trump, what he promised us, he delivered on. That's one thing I can't get away from.'

Copied from a post I made on a friend's timeline.

Dope1: Yeah, we've never had any losing Presidential candidate engage in lawfare to try to overturn an election. Has never happened in the United States. We've just never seen anything like this. At all. Ever.

Sure, Trump had every right to take his evidence to court and try to overturn a fraudulent election. He filed more than 60 lawsuits and lost every single one but one. And why did he lose? Either, he didn't have standing or he did not present any evidence, because there was no evidence.

In the past, after going to court and losing, every other candidate conceded their loss and moved on. Team Trump set up a false electors conspiracy and planned in insurrection.


Dope1: The correct word is "religiously", because it's now NPC gospel that Trump must be guilt of FREAKING SOMETHING SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE and you're just going to get him.

In the documents case, even Trump admits he took the documents, many marked at the highest classification levels (you have repeatedly insisted that Clinton needed to be indicted and imprisoned for having less sensitive documents on her server). He just claims they're his, not America's.

In each of the other cases substantial evidence of crimes was presented and grand juries felt there was sufficient evidence to warrant indictments. Now it's up to prosecutors to prove their cases.

Welcome to America.

To paraphrase Voltaire, "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my opposition ridiculous. And God granted it." ― Voltaire

Regrading Trump Dope says, "I'll say what I've always said just to put you away: If Trump is guilty and the findings aren't some vague "conspiracy" nonsense,
then he will get his day in court and whatever comes from that process. But people who constantly front the HE'S GUILTY thang don't do nuance, don't do actual fact finding,
and just want to shout stuff at other people. Good luck with that."

Yeah Dope, you really put him away...

Then regrading Hunter Biden Dope says, "Biden used 3 pseudonyms to share data with Hunter.The email is one of more than a dozen that Just the News
obtained showing how Joe Biden's personal email accounts were sometimes used during his first White House tenure to forward government information
or discuss government business with his son. Wonder what else we'll learn? Drip. Drippp. Dripppppppp'"
The "source" for Dopes claims is the conspiracy theory website "Just the News."

Oh no Dope, you just showed your intellectual cowardice.

They keep telling me its not a cult, its not a cult...

Definition of Cult:
"A religion or sect, generally considered to be extremist or false, under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader for whom members exhibit fixed, even religious, veneration."

<<The correct word is "religiously", because it's now NPC gospel that Trump must be guilt of FREAKING SOMETHING SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE and you're just going to get him.>> ~Dope

Yes, and they already did. Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19...

I'll be looking forward to hearing your attempt at regrading this road.

Will it have something to do with Hunter?

Isn't rape a sin?

Yeah, we've never had any losing Presidential candidate engage in lawfare to try to overturn an election. Has never happened in the United States. We've just never seen anything like this. At all. Ever.

Dope. There is an order of magnitude difference here and you know it. And we know that you know it. And, face it, he will be convicted. I do recall one Senator running a campaign from jail and winning, but not a President, and it looks like the 14th Amendment precludes Trump from the Presidency if convicted - AS IT SHOULD. That's what we're facing, so the question is - will the right deal with that? Will y'all come to terms with that? How are you going to deal with that?

When you run around saying everyone else is in a cult...
...the cult member is probably you. Unhealthy obsessions and all that.

Dope used to put more effort into his gaslighting attempts. I fear he's getting all drip drip dripped out.

I'd say there are some folks with some serious obsession issues...ever see Fatal Attraction? Glenn Close has nothing on some of the posters here.

You'd say that, would ya?
Lacking anything of factual substance to add, gaslighting's about all ya got.

This is the first time in history that an American ex-president and a whole slew of co-conspirators have been charged with RICO crimes in their attempt to thwart the democratic process, arrested and booked; the norm for perps.

Obsession? Hardly.

It's the most significant crime story of the year. It's a story that will have, at least, a full chapter in history textbooks.

That will never happen since your side extracts just so much satisfaction from wallowing with your friends in TDS.

Another 'conservative' reduced to gaslighting.

That's 2 down and one (1) to go?

Dope. There is an order of magnitude difference here and you know it

Right. We've had candidates in the past tie up the process all the way to the US Supreme Court and we've had other ones fabricate intelligence dossiers, fabricate evidence, lie to courts and violate citizens' civil rights.

And *all* of you know that's wrong and refuse to this day to condemn any of it, but insist on these performance art posts about ourrr dumucracyyyyy complete with a tear in the eye.

Either none of it is okay or all of it is. Given that you folks are proud of the others yet condemn one thing, we know where you stand.

And we know that you know it.

"Person, fingerprints, mugshot, trial, prison."

Get the whole collection. Trade them with your friends!


https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/just-for-xeet"s-and-giggles-820?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

If you get this far down, it will have been worth it:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1693556562684772525

Either none of it is okay or all of it is.

Nonsense.

It's why we have prosecutorial discretion and freeways aren't monitored by radar cams as they are in Spain.

Isn't rape a sin?

Not if you marry your victim. Too lazy to look-up chapter and verse, but you have to marry the woman for it to be "OK". And, I think, pay the father some shekels. Remember that women are property in the Abrahamic religions.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendment...

Section 3.

But that is only if he is convicted of "insurrection" (or equivalent). Not sure election tampering qualifies, which is what he most likely will be convicted in GA (conspiracy/RICO).

Trump must be guilt of FREAKING SOMETHING SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE and you're just going to get him.

And you think he's not? Given all the evidence? He likely is guilty of more than just rape. What a guy.

And we know that you know it. And, face it, he will be convicted.

I like your optimism, but I'm not at all confident this will happen. For one thing, I think these trials will be put off for quite a while and may not happen before the election. If Trump can pull off another electoral college win (popular vote be damned), it's all over.

1pg: But that is only if he is convicted of "insurrection" (or equivalent). Not sure election tampering qualifies, which is what he most likely will be convicted in GA (conspiracy/RICO).

Me: Safe route. But, I stipulated conviction, and quote from a doubter -

<snip>The original understanding of the definition of 'insurrection or rebellion' was more sweeping than I had assumed, and crucially includes some broad classes of behavior that we would see as aiding, abetting, or even counseling miscreants, far from any front lines. It is by no means limited to, say, taking part in violent clashes.<Snip>

This would include assenting/agreeing to a course of action and also setting wheels in motion. It's even broader than what is in the above paragraph I think. No one has to declare "this is an insurrection and rebellion", and it can start out NOT being an insurrection and/or rebellion and cross over the line into becoming those things. And -

<snip>Since January 2021, litigation seeking to disqualify candidates based on their conduct then has made clear that the law is not somehow a dead letter. New Mexico removed a county commissioner from office, one member of Congress was found covered by an appeals court but lost his seat in a primary resulting in the mooting of the case; another member of Congress won a ruling that she had not been factually shown to have engaged in covered conduct, which is distinct from any notion that the law wouldn't have applied if she had.<snip>

So it's up to the Supreme Court to decide. But in my minds eye, an attempt to illegally and with chaos scheme to stop the peaceful transfer of power and seize that power for yourself qualifies as an insurrection and/or rebellion.

If Trump can pull off another electoral college win (popular vote be damned), it's all over.

Federal charges would be vacated because he would order it. But GA is the big threat, and he can't make that go away. He cannot pardon himself from a state charge, nor can he appoint a state judge sympathetic to him.

But GA is the big threat, and he can't make that go away.

Don't be so sure. Georgia Republicans are now saying they want to get rid of Fanni and the new law will allow them to do that. Then what? A MAGA DA? So much corruption in the Republican Party.

I hope Kemp will oppose that.

Federal charges would be vacated because he would order it. But GA is the big threat, and he can't make that go away. He cannot pardon himself from a state charge, nor can he appoint a state judge sympathetic to him.

Kemp can pardon him, and probably would.

I hope Kemp will oppose that.
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He does. I've read that approach is not very likely.

Why would Kemp do that? He's not a MAGA guy. I'm not up on GA politics, but I'm not aware of any love loss between Kemp and Trump. From what I can tell, Kemp is an old-time Republican. Not a MAGA Republican. He's conservative, but like me, he respects the process more than any given individual or party. I could be totally wrong about him, but that's what I have gleaned so far from my news feed.

But, in principle, 'yes'...Kemp could pardon him. It would be an excrement storm if he did. Of course, it might be an excrement storm from the other side if he didn't. Not an enviable position to be in.

I like your optimism, but I'm not at all confident this will happen. For one thing, I think these trials will be put off for quite a while and may not happen before the election. If Trump can pull off another electoral college win (popular vote be damned), it's all over.

Yes, that's why all the journos write with caveats. But, look at the Cheese opting for the early trial to put pressure on Fanni (journo guess) and Fanni responding by asking for all trials to be that early (journo - bring it). It will be a messy and thrilling roller coaster ride, but I'm thinking 15% chance it will be put off, 30% chance Trump will be elected if it is put off, so likely he faces the music either way. And BHM thinks DB Cooper time.

And yes, this can change as we go along. :)

Why would Kemp do that? He's not a MAGA guy. I'm not up on GA politics, but I'm not aware of any love loss between Kemp and Trump. From what I can tell, Kemp is an old-time Republican. Not a MAGA Republican. He's conservative, but like me, he respects the process more than any given individual or party. I could be totally wrong about him, but that's what I have gleaned so far from my news feed.

But, in principle, 'yes'...Kemp could pardon him. It would be an excrement storm if he did. Of course, it might be an excrement storm from the other side if he didn't. Not an enviable position to be in.

Have you read the charges and acts? As in, looked at the articles?
https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/15/jonathan-turley...
'The indictment is, as we expected founded, on this broad racketeering claim,' Turley said. 'You got eighteen individuals that were charged. Willis seems to have charged everything and everyone as allowing God to sort them out. You know, you look at this indictment and every call, every tweet, every speech seems to be a separate criminal act that composes this conspiracy.

Stuff like this
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23909543-2...
On or about the 4th day of November2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP made a nationally televised speech falsely declaring victory in the 2020 presidential election.
Whoa. Real smoking gun there. Was Arizona even done counting then?

On or about the 20th day of November 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP and MARK RANDALL MEADOWS met with Majority Leader of the Michigan Senate Michael Shirkey, Speaker of the Michigan House of Representatives Lee Chatfield, and other Michigan legislators in the Oval Office at the White House, and DONALD JOHN TRUMP made false statements concerning fraud in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Michigan. RUDOLPH WILLIAM LOUIS GIULIANI joined the meeting by telephone. This meeting was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Uh, huh. No court cases had closed by the 20th of November. More nonsense on stilts. Why weren't these Michigan Legislators charged?

Throw in the fact that Georgia law doesn't even require a mugshot if there's a recent picture of you (Did you know that?) and the fact that the clerk leaked the charges early - totally by accident, of course - it's beyond obvious that this is a political prosecution.

If the Will Of The People is that Trump raises his right hand in January of 2025 and is sworn in as the duly elected President, Kemp won't stand in the way.

I would respectfully suggest that you guys think Long. And. Hard. about what you're doing here and what it means going forward.

You think the national divide is bad now? Wait until this plays out. Right now the hatred runs 1 way: from left to anyone they think supports Trump. You guys aren't going to like it one bit when the "Deplorables" and whomever else the democrats and media declare to be Unclean start the hate flowing in the other direction.

Not one bit.

And again:

You guys who are gleefully celebrating this don't understand what you're doing.

It's called Sowing the Wind. I shouldn't need to say what comes after that.

Kemp can pardon him, and probably would.

There's an actual process Dope.

"Trump couldn't even seek help from the state's governor, because in Georgia, unlike many other states, the governor cannot issue pardons.

Instead, pardons are issued by the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles, a five-member panel authorized by the state constitution. The board considers applications beginning at least five years after an individual has completed his or her sentence. That timeline differs from the federal system, where presidents can issue pardons before a person has even been prosecuted."

Now you can come back and say, Republicans will change the state constitution, etc. Go.

I don't have to think long and hard. If he's guilty (as determined by duly appointed courts and juries), then he should be convicted and sentenced. I don't care if he's a former POTUS or God. Do the crime, do the time. I would say the same about anyone. The Will of the People be damned. If he's guilty. Which has yet to be determined, of course. I have my opinion, but that is no substitute for a judge/jury, and I don't pretend that it is.

And it is interesting about the hatred...I coulda sworn it was flowing from the right, and has been since at least Obama. Trump REALLY stirred it up ("we will not be replaced!" with tiki torches). Now the "left" just wants the process to adjudicate this. A lot of folks will be upset if he is acquitted, but we also know the burden of proof is on the prosecution. As it should be. If he's pardoned after being duly convicted, that's when people will lose their minds.

"Trump couldn't even seek help from the state's governor, because in Georgia, unlike many other states, the governor cannot issue pardons.

Instead, pardons are issued by the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles, a five-member panel authorized by the state constitution. The board considers applications beginning at least five years after an individual has completed his or her sentence. That timeline differs from the federal system, where presidents can issue pardons before a person has even been prosecuted."

Did not know that. Interesting. So he would have to serve his time before a pardon could be considered, and then it's not up to the governor in any event. Kinda weird how that was worded..."five years after an individual has completed his or her sentence". What's the point of a pardon if you've already done the time, and been out for five years? Just to clear your name? That's still potentially a lot of years lost, and a life ruined.

And it is interesting about the hatred...I coulda sworn it was flowing from the right, and has been since at least Obama.

Uhh, George W. Bush. Remember him?
Obama would routinely play the race card while campaigning as a moderate and ANY criticism of him was met with an accusation of racism.

As for Trump, remind me how many times his cabinet officials and other Republicans were harassed or assaulted in public?

Again: right now the net flow is left to right, but that will change once they convict him in Georgia (there's zero doubt).

But all this begs a question: if he's nominated - and actually wins - how big will the riots be? Before you say 'there won't be any riots' I'll remind you that there was one around Inauguration Day.

I don't really recall hatred during Bush Jr. Lots of ridicule. "Nukular". [snicker] He actually benefitted from 9/11 in terms of good will from across the aisle. That later turned into "WTF" when he invaded Iraq, but that's on him. (And, for the record, I initially supported him in Iraq until I learned that the justification was BS.)

Obama never played the race card. Some of his supporters did. However, you can't deny race was an issue. I recall interviews at the time with "common people" who were saying "I can't vote for a black man for president". They weren't even sheepish about it. They said it flat-out. In that case, yeah...I'll flip the race card. But as far as his policies, that was strictly partisan/ideological. The Reps didn't hate the ACA because he was black, they hated it because it benefitted poor people. And I don't think Obama (or his administration) ever claimed otherwise.

If Trump is pardoned after being convicted, expect riots. If he wins the general legitimately, there will be a lot of heads exploding (including mine), but I wouldn't expect any widespread riots. Lots of complaining...for months. And calls to end the electoral college. But no significant riots.

If he loses (which I think likely), expect another Jan 6 event(s).

Dope1: On or about the 20th day of November 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP and MARK RANDALL MEADOWS met with Majority Leader of the Michigan Senate Michael Shirkey, Speaker of the Michigan House of Representatives Lee Chatfield, and other Michigan legislators in the Oval Office at the White House, and DONALD JOHN TRUMP made false statements concerning fraud in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Michigan. RUDOLPH WILLIAM LOUIS GIULIANI joined the meeting by telephone. This meeting was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Uh, huh. No court cases had closed by the 20th of November. More nonsense on stilts.

So what? Willis is establishing that if you were part of a plan to overthrow the Georgia election, a criminal organization, and you never even set foot in Georgia -- or, specifically, Fulton County, where Willis, as district attorney, has jurisdiction -- you still could be charged.

Willis also lists several overt acts, including in Act 6, where Meadows seeks out a telephone number for the leader of the Pennsylvania legislature. "Gee, so it's illegal to ask for a telephone number?" complained Jim Jordan. Well, yeah, it is when it's an overt act in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy.


Dope1: I would respectfully suggest that you guys think Long. And. Hard. about what you're doing here and what it means going forward.

We aren't doing a thing. Trump has been indicted in four jurisdictions for 91 felonies.


Dope1: Right now the hatred runs 1 way: from left to anyone they think supports Trump.

Yeah, right. Like the woman shot dead for flying Pride flags at her business.

Or Craig Deleeuw Robertson, the Utah man who threatened to kill president Biden.

Or the Trump supporters who posted the names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online.

Or that guy in Cincinnati who posted a call to action on social media that encouraged likeminded people to 'get whatever you need to be ready for combat' before walking into the FBI field office in Cincinnati where he tried to breach security and had a standoff with police that lasted for hours.

Or the May 2022 shooting of 10 Black shoppers in Buffalo by a white supremacist who called for a race war.

Or Austin Combs, who murdered his neighbor Anthony King in November 2022 because he thought he was a democrat.

Or how about Trump himself who called special counsel Jack Smith 'deranged,' referred to former Vice President Mike Pence -- a potential witness against Trump -- as 'delusional' and claimed he could never get a fair trial from U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan.

The Trump Cult is truly blind.

The Bush hate was unprecedented. 'Selected not elected'. 'Chimpident'. Then there was all the hatred thrown at his daughters. 'Bush is a Nazi'. On and on.

Barack Obama did indeed throw the race card. 'You know, they're gonna say he does t look like all those other Presidents on the dollar bills'. His then Veep Joe Biden put in his best southern drawl and said 'They 'gwin put y'all BACK in chains'. On and on.

You needn't worry: if Trump is the nominee the Dems have an unlimited license to cheat and stuff the ballot box. After all, the precedent has been set that questioning the election is a conspiracy, yes? And if somehow Trump wins, blue cities will be on fire from coast to coast.

The Republic stands on the brink.

Have you read the charges and acts? As in, looked at the articles?
https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/15/jonathan-turley...
'The indictment is, as we expected founded, on this broad racketeering claim,' Turley said. 'You got eighteen individuals that were charged. Willis seems to have charged everything and everyone as allowing God to sort them out. You know, you look at this indictment and every call, every tweet, every speech seems to be a separate criminal act that composes this conspiracy.

Multiple charges are layered in like that to help it survive appeals. I'm no pro in this area, but building your case so it will survive appeals sounds like a good idea.


Throw in the fact that Georgia law doesn't even require a mugshot if there's a recent picture of you (Did you know that?) Trump had a recent mugshot on file with Georgia? I didn't know that.

"five years after an individual has completed his or her sentence". What's the point of a pardon if you've already done the time, and been out for five years? Just to clear your name? That's still potentially a lot of years lost, and a life ruined. -1pg
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There is an exception if you can prove your innocence. This strict law is due to a cash for pardons scandal in the past.

So what?

So a meeting the very next day when none of the court cases were resolved and some states weren't even done was a conspiracy. Great precedent, although you'll have no clue why.

Adults are talking.

Right. We've had candidates in the past tie up the process all the way to the US Supreme Court

Yes, perfectly legal and appropriate at times.

and we've had other ones fabricate intelligence dossiers,

No. If you are talking about the Steel dossier that wasn't a Government intelligence dossier, that was a rival candidate report. A company got paid to produce that, and it was put together by Steel, who worked for that company. This in no way comes close to the conspiracy to hijack the people's will on Jan 6.

fabricate evidence, Which Presidential candidate fabricated evidence?

lie to courts Clinton? Think so -not sure of the importance there. Lying about a hummer is equivalent to a Stalinist seizure of power. Got it.

and violate citizens' civil rights. Happens. There are grey areas and sometimes rights are violated.

But, all of that is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE DIFFERENT FROM CONSPIRING TO THWART THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, SEIZE POWER ILLEGALLY AND BY FORCE, AND INSTALL YOURSELF AS PRESIDENT.

I would respectfully suggest that you guys think Long. And. Hard. about what you're doing here and what it means going forward.


The left is so full of seething hate for Donald Trump. They cannot see themselves for what they are, they are a cult of hate for one man.

The Republicans will move on if Trump is found guilty of wrong doing. It would be a sad day for America. There are though, excellent Republican candidates who will step up to the plate.

The left, and finally some hint from the MSM knows Biden is a dismal failure and the scandals surrounding both Hunter and Joe along with the rest of the Biden crime family.
Even democrats do not want Joe Biden to run again. I've heard rumors of wanting to replace Kamala Harris with Michelle Obama. It won't help Joe. It still would be four more years of failure, open borders, crime and drugs, lost respect from around the world.
Democrats are openly crying the blues over the illegal aliens overwhelming their cities.
Biden pays no attention to their cries for help.

The bottom line is Joe and Kamala will not serve a second term.

Dope: if Trump is the nominee the Dems have an unlimited license to cheat and stuff the ballot box.

Who issues this license? :) This doesn't follow at all - more like fantasy or RPG.

Who issues this license? :)

The democrats' lust for power and control over all things.
It's very simple.

The left never debates concepts. Do you notice that? The left has emotional arguments with others in which they assume their starting position is natural and right and beat others into submission. "Trans rights" is a classic example: the left is full-power, all in on taking "trans rights" to the maximum...

...all the while never questioning whether it makes sense to transition a 10 year kid.

Why do you think that is?

Dope: if Trump is the nominee the Dems have an unlimited license to cheat and stuff the ballot box.

That is classic PROJECTION! Because that is how the right works: lie, cheat, steal...it's all ok because 'we are right and they are wrong'.

Dope1: So a meeting the very next day when none of the court cases were resolved and some states weren't even done was a conspiracy.

Trump lost Michigan by 154,000 votes. And he started losing in court in Michigan on November 6. He lost in Michigan's Wayne County Circuit courtroom on November 13.

The Oval Office gathering with the folks listed below took place on November 20, 2020, after Trump had lost in Michigan courts.

Chatfield said Trump told the group -- Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, House Speaker Jason Wentworth, incoming Senate Minority Leader Aric Nesbitt, and former House Speaker Lee Chatfield along with Trump and his attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who joined in via telephone -- to "have some backbone and do the right thing," which Chatfield understood to mean overturning the election by naming Michigan's Electoral College electors for Trump.

After Shirkey and Chatfield said they could not change the outcome of the election in Michigan, Trump and his team maliciously tweeted out Shirkey's personal cell phone number and a number for Chatfield that turned out to be wrong. Shirkey received nearly 4,000 text messages and the private citizen whose wrong number was shared, reported being inundated with calls and texts intended for Chatfield.

So despite the fact that you're wrong -- Trump had already started losing in Michigan courts -- it's also immaterial. Trump was trying to intimidate Shirkey and Chatfield to illegally shift Michigan's electors from the winner, Biden, to the loser, himself.

Jeebus, Trump's losing margin was so wide, he didn't even qualify for a recount.

And for the record, Clinton only lost Michigan by less than 11,000 votes compared with Trump's loss in 2020 by over 150,000 votes. Her campaign did not pursue a recount because they "had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology." The Green Party pursed several recounts which the Clinton campaign then joined but said they expected no changes in the outcomes.

Clinton had already conceded the election.

The Trump campaign screamed bloody murder at the Green Party's request for recounts and with the Clinton campaign joining them.

TRUMP: "This is a scam by the Green Party for an election that has already been conceded, and the results of this election should be respected instead of being challenged and abused, which is exactly what Jill Stein is doing."

But yeah, adults are talking but you're not one of them and neither is Trump.

Dope: if Trump is the nominee the Dems have an unlimited license to cheat and stuff the ballot box.

ME: Who issues this license? :)

Dope: The democrats' lust for power and control... (Now he explains - simple)
The left never debates concepts...emotional arguments - assume they're right...
the left is full-power, all in on taking "trans rights" to the maximum...

never questioning whether it makes sense to transition a 10 year kid.


Me: This is supposed to explain how Dems get a license cheat and stuff ballot boxes - via "trans rights" this time.
Everyone understand this explanation? Are there any questions? This is Dope Logic. We've got evidence and
Indictments with charges showing the Republicans attempted to thwart the will of the people and seize power,but
it's actually the Dems are going to do this using "trans rights" to cheat and stuff ballot boxes if Trump is
nominated.

I leave transitioning kids up to the pros:

The World Professional Assn. for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier
than the group's previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous
guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early
treatment.

>i>Dope: if Trump is the nominee the Dems have an unlimited license to cheat and stuff the ballot box.

Ges: That is classic PROJECTION! Because that is how the right works: lie, cheat, steal...it's all ok because 'we are right and they are wrong'.


Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. <--off the internet

Except I think it's likely Dope is aware of what he is doing, but persists. He really likes this game, but he isn't good at it. I'm mediocre and ere to watch the good ones.

Dope: The democrats' lust for power and control... (Now he explains - simple)
The left never debates concepts...emotional arguments - assume they're right...
the left is full-power, all in on taking "trans rights" to the maximum...

Here we have the classic example of PROJECTION.

LM says: Joe Vladimir Biden: "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money"

And guess what he got fired.

Don't mess with Joe Vladimir Biden.


I've been debating with myself about posting this, because it will be believed only by those who are aware of the truth, and dismissed (barring a miracle) by those who really really need to open their eyes and ears and recognize what's really true and what are really lies.

Re Donald Trump's assertions, it is critical to keep in mind who his mentor and lawyer was for years, until the guy's death from AIDS. It was Roy Cohn, who Trump admired with unbounded enthusiasm and asked Cohn to teach him how to be like him. (I've documented all of this in the past.) Roy Cohn, whose early training was as an aide to the despotic lawyer Joseph McCarthy, taught Trump.....an eager student....that the way to succeed is to lie whenever possible (the bigger and more frequently repeated the better), to go back on your word, to stiff those who do work for you....etc etc etc. And that is what Cohn was known for. Nothing was too shady a tactic for him. And Trump was the perfect student, given his mindset, which had been amplified by his earlier family business experience and the ethos established by his father (take as much as you can while giving as little as you can get away with, and if lies help....then use them).

Lying is Trump's go-to, and his ego calls the shots. And it works. It doesn't matter how clear and evident the truth is. As one example....despite his claims to be a gifted money manager, he spiraled the national debt up to the stratosphere. The numbers are there, clear as day. Yet his idolators want another 4 years, and really believe that he should actually be in the White House now.

It's a mad mad mad mad world.

Except I think it's likely Dope is aware of what he is doing, but persists. He really likes this game, but he isn't good at it. I'm mediocre and ere to watch the good ones.

What game? I call it like I see it.

Re: Trump and Cohn

Frontline did an excellent program on Trump a few years ago. Very detailed, from his childhood to a military academy to Roy Cohn to POTUS. Trump was already messed-up a bit, his father wasn't great, his brother died, and Roy Cohn got ahold of him. All that created a weaponized toxic narcissist (my opinion, not said in the piece I'm referring to).

If it's still available, I highly recommend people watch it.

What game? I call it like I see it.

Yeah, that was unfair towards you. I believe you call it like you see it. And I believe you're not stupid. We have some policy disagreements, and some of your sources have a reputation for twisting facts to suit their narrative. But I don't think you're playing a game. FWIW.

Typical of Trump, he is merchandising an image to which he has no ownership.

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