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Author: Mark19   😊 😞
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Subject: A thought
Date: 11/29/25 12:12 AM
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What about just finding the industries that are expected to grow the fasted over the next 10 years, and when they are reasonably valued buy ETFs of them, and hold them for a long time.

It seems like a good strategy.
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Author: lizgdal 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 11/29/25 2:27 PM
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The high growth expectations are already baked into the stock's price. To overperform, the company would have to exceed the high expectations. This is difficult. I would expect a backtest to show that moderate growth stocks do better.

What is "reasonably valued"? In backtests, momentum often boosts returns. Buying low-momentum stocks does not seem to work in general.

Just based on a straight average of S&P 500 stocks, the Healthcare and IT sectors have the highest average estimated growth (future 5-years). Consumer Staples and REIT have the lowest average estimated growth.

Ticker        Company Name        [Sector]  [SalesY1]  [Growth]  [sectGro]  [Mo]  [sectMo]          Sector
UNH UNITEDHEALTH GROUP 35 400,278 5 19 -46 7.2 Health Care
AAPL APPLE INC 45 416,161 12 17 21 22.0 Information Technology
DOW DOW INC 15 42,964 -13 14 -45 -5.3 Materials
JPM JP MORGAN CHASE & CO 40 166,775 8 13 26 5.0 Financials
GOOGL ALPHABET INC CL A 50 350,018 15 12 82 2.9 Communication Services
UPS UNITED PARCEL SERVICE 20 91,070 5 12 -24 5.0 Industrials
XOM EXXON MOBIL CORP 10 340,568 12 11 0 -0.9 Energy
AMZN AMAZON COM INC 25 637,959 18 10 12 6.8 Consumer Discretionary
DUK DUKE ENERGY CORP 55 29,934 7 8 11 14.8 Utilities
AMT AMERICAN TOWER CORP REIT 60 10,127 23 6 -8 -7.8 Real Estate
WMT WALMART INC 30 680,985 8 4 21 -3.5 Consumer Staples


https://gtr1.net/2013/?~SectorGrowthEstimate25a:h2...

Create [Mo]: [Total Return % over 252 days]
Create [Growth]: [SI EPS Growth Est]
Create [Sector]: [SI TRBC 2 Digits]
Create [sectGro]: [Average [Growth], grouped by [Sector], at step5]
Create [sectMo]: [Average [Mo], grouped by [Sector], at step5]
step0: [S&P 500 Member; lag=1 days] == 1
step1 to step6 are deblanking
step7 keeps largest SalesY1 in each Sector.
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Author: Mark19   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 11/29/25 3:59 PM
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It is hard to outperform in the market no matter what you do. I was talking about an industry ETF, not individual stocks. I would think if you held it for a long time, and did not get in during a bubble, it could outperform, but back to point 1, it is hard to outperform the market.
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Author: rayvt   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 11/29/25 9:27 PM
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Is identifying an industry sector which will outperform the market be any easier than identifying a company/stock which will outperform the market?

I'm thinking the answer is "No."
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Author: Mark19   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 11/30/25 12:21 PM
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I would think it would be easier. There are mature industries, where the growth has already occurred, and industries that are still growing. I would think chips would grow faster than coal for example.
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 12/03/25 10:05 AM
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Is identifying an industry sector which will outperform the market be any easier than identifying a company/stock which will outperform the market?
I'm thinking the answer is "No."


Outperforming the market is hard, so you're probably right. Prices are pretty unpredictable.

But the business results of the industries themselves aren't random: I think one could list a few industries that are unusually poor prospects over the decades, and others that are usually better bets. You can't be sure, but I think you can skew the odds in your favour.

Those with likely poor prospects, or which prosper only occasionally:
Retail, basic materials, textiles and clothing, steel, manufactured housing and RVs, construction, car parts, telecoms

A couple that usually have better prospects:
Software, medical devices, drugs, cosmetics, beer, defence, gaming. Tobacco (ick).

So perhaps a simple strategy that wouldn't be TOO crazy would be to find the industries with the best long run returns in a typical stretch (not just a single end date today), and from among those find the ones with the most reasonable valuation levels (using CAPE?) compared to their own histories.
Sort of an industry version of the country-by-country CAPE strategy. As with that strategy, make sure there are enough companies in all your groupings to have meaningful expectation of statistical support and mean reversion.

Jim
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Author: FlyingCircus   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 12/03/25 3:27 PM
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To OP https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=316073816
Is identifying an industry sector which will outperform the market

Although the phrase "will outperform the market" is problematic, there are a couple of easy to use tools available free at Stockcharts to identify regions, sectors or sub-sectors/industries that are trending stronger than "the market" and for the short term (next 3-5 weeks) more likely than not to outperform the market, due to standard momentum & trend.

One is the sectors list, and using the simple SCTR number (Stockcharts Technical Rank) as a sort.
https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/sectorsummary.h...

Another is the Relative Rotation Graph, which is a great visualization of change in relative strength among whatever several symbols you choose - takes a bit of training to understand what it's showing but no big deal.
https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/rrg/?group=sp50...

FC
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Author: Mark19   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 12/03/25 4:16 PM
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Thank you FC.
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Author: rayvt   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 12/03/25 6:14 PM
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Here is a doc named "Asset Class Performance is Unpredictable"
The original link is dead, but I grabbed it before it died.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/cf5iiuyjidm/MultiAs...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1em6Ay0wpIoSC_tBLk...
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