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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: War ravaged Portland
Date: 09/30/25 9:52 AM
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I think you live in red state that doesn’t put up with the kind of nonsense that those of us stuck in blue jurisdictions get to deal with.

But that observation is very different from what you've been arguing in this thread.

From your discussion, you have a particular view of the facts of what's happened in Portland. That when the June 15 event devolved into violence, that the Portland authorities basically did nothing - that no one was arrested, and if any were the charges against them were dismissed. Because of that weak response, since then there has been an ongoing barrage of continuous violence against the ICE building that the authorities have done nothing about. Which leads you to believe that the calling out of federal troops is justified. It also believes you to believe that liberals on this board are completely unjustified in criticizing that measure, because any rational person of goodwill would conclude that federal troops are a legitimate response to raging violence that has proceeded unabated for months.

But none of that is true. When the June 15th event devolved into violence, the Portland PB declared it an unlawful gathering, swept in with the full panoply of crowd control measures and dispersed everyone from the area. Many people were charged, and the criminal prosecutions have not been dismissed. The ongoing protests have not involved a continuation of ongoing and ceaseless violent activity against the ICE building. Which makes sense, because the ICE building is filled with armed federal law enforcement agents who have complete authority to arrest anyone they observe committing a crime and nearly all such crimes would be prosecuted federally. So while there might be low-level civil or minor disturbance violations going on, there isn't anything going on that would justify the extreme measure of calling in federal troops.

The people who are disagreeing with you aren't being irrational or malevolent. They just have a different assessment of what the factual situation is. No one would disagree that if the level of violence that happened on June 15th had been continuously ongoing for the last 100 days, that some intervention would be necessary. But similarly, I don't think that you would disagree that it's not appropriate for federal troops to be called out in a circumstance where you don't have something like that.
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