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...to Venezuela.

That guy is brain dead.

His rhetoric is inciting violence in a series of bomb threats that shut down schools and government offices yesterday and today in Ohio, and has Haitians -- legally in Springfield, BTW -- being inundated with death threats, yet he continues to spread his "they're eating the pets (and geese)" lies while republicans either shrug or applaud.

You republicans should be ashamed to support that rapist felon malignant narcissist.

BRING MORE IN.

SETTLE THEM IN BLUE ENCLAVES.

Give them School Vouchers to attend districts that are majority white, affluent, and Liberal.


In the meantime - 1,000,000 h1 TECH VISAS.

Overpaid racist White Liberals will be getting their butts kicked from the C-suite to the cubicle, and their kids having their schools crowded and unsafe during the day.

Mind you this is natural - and right - and it's happening as we speak. My way would just speed it up.

You republicans should be ashamed to support that rapist felon malignant narcissist.

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Does anybody care about the good people of Springfield. They were leading their life, enjoying small town living, streets were clean and quiet, not making trouble for anyway. Then suddenly a 15,000 human missile is launched right at the city. Now schools are overwhelmed, food pantries are bare, massive increase in traffic accidents, trash everywhere.

They didn't ask for this and did not deserve it. Who decided to launch on Springfield anyway? There are other cases like this too. Who in the Biden Admin decides who goes where and how many? I wonder if rural America is targeted somehow because after all they are more likely to be Republicans than not. More likely these are small towns without much clout outside their county so the Biden Admin sends the immigrant missiles to places less capable of resisting. Even 500 could easily crush a small town, especially if 500 jobs and 500 beds don't pop up overnight too.

Getting back to the question, who decides and what criteria is applied? I'll bet it is one of those faceless processes that decides....

who decides and what criteria is applied?

Evidently the Haitians go there because housing is there are jobs, housing, and support services.

bighairymike: Does anybody care about the good people of Springfield. They were leading their life, enjoying small town living, streets were clean and quiet, not making trouble for anyway [sic]. Then suddenly a 15,000 human missile is launched right at the city. Now schools are overwhelmed, food pantries are bare, massive increase in traffic accidents, trash everywhere.

Wow, that's some seriously ignorant fearmongering.

After decades of shrinking and uncertainty -- many young, working-age people struggled with addiction, others shunned entry-level and repetitive work -- Springfield was able to attract new manufacturing and business with a strategic plan, and by 2020 had drawn in food-service firms, logistics companies, and a microchip maker, among others. But what Springfield didn't have was enough workers.

“By most accounts, the Haitians have helped revitalize Springfield.

They are assembling car engines at Honda, running vegetable-packing machines at Dole and loading boxes at distribution centers. They are paying taxes on their wages and spending money at Walmart. On Sundays they gather at churches for boisterous, joyful services in Haitian Creole.”

Haitians who heard that the Springfield area boasted well-paying, blue-collar jobs and a low cost of living arrived as the pandemic subsided, and employers were eager to hire and train the new work force. The Haitians had Social Security numbers and work permits. Some had been living for years in places like Florida, where there is a thriving Haitian community.

And sure, there are challenges as the community health clinic struggles with increased demand and schools are working to accommodate new students. But Haitian workers are helping grow the economy and contributing to the local coffers.

In general, Haitians have been instrumental in revitalizing Springfield.

But, you know, they're brown and black so not welcomed by everyone.

And that "500 could easily crush a small town, especially if 500 jobs and 500 beds don't pop up overnight too" and "traffic accidents, trash everywhere" is just more "They're eating the dogs!" fearmongering BS.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/us/springfield-...

Evidently the Haitians go there because housing is there are jobs, housing, and support services. - Lapsody

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I saw a video on the network that shall not be named. They claimed the video was taken in the city of Springfield. They further claimed the people interviewed were actual residents of Springfield. These paid actors said the Haitians have overrun their schools, the once clean city is strewn with trash, the local hospital is going broke due to extensive use by non paying immigrants, any immigrant age 18 or older cannot be denied a drivers license so traffic accidents are way up, especially accidents involving uninsured motorists, women are afraid to be out at night, and finally nobody they know of has had a pet eaten but they did say, the goose population that once occupied the town lake is way down.

Anyway, it doesn't sound as rosy to me as it apparently does to you.

How did the Haitian's end up here, how did they even find out this place exists? Are NGO's doing the deciding?

After decades of shrinking and uncertainty -- many young, working-age people struggled with addiction, others shunned entry-level and repetitive work -- Springfield was able to attract new manufacturing and business with a strategic plan, and by 2020 had drawn in food-service firms, logistics companies, and a microchip maker, among others. But what Springfield didn't have was enough workers.

“By most accounts, the Haitians have helped revitalize Springfield.

They are assembling car engines at Honda, running vegetable-packing machines at Dole and loading boxes at distribution centers. They are paying taxes on their wages and spending money at Walmart. On Sundays they gather at churches for boisterous, joyful services in Haitian Creole.”

Haitians who heard that the Springfield area boasted well-paying, blue-collar jobs and a low cost of living arrived as the pandemic subsided, and employers were eager to hire and train the new work force. The Haitians had Social Security numbers and work permits. Some had been living for years in places like Florida, where there is a thriving Haitian community. - CO

Good stuff, I am glad to hear that side of the story. Yet there are real residents who report that schools, hospitals, etc being overrun. Housing is unattainable unless you are a migrant. Traffic accidents are skyrocketing. Women fear going out at night.

Both things can be true. It is not a panacea but I glad to have your information.

Anyway, it doesn't sound as rosy to me as it apparently does to you.

I never said it was Rosy; you're putting words in my mouth, please don't do that. What I read was that it was straining the services. I'm sure I could find people who'd say worse than that. But I did see one business owner interview and he said that the Haitians are good, solid, dependable and just want to work. I expected some complaints, but there weren't any.

Let's face it, what Trump and Vance have done is the equivalent of dumping mountains of trash all over Springfield. You can answer your own questions.

I’m all for settling large numbers of unemployed migrants in the towns that our lefty friends live in. No human being is illegal, right?

any immigrant age 18 or older cannot be denied a drivers license so traffic accidents are way up

Wait what? Nobody told me!
Why did I bother studying for the written test and driving school for the driving test?

bighairymike: I saw a video on the network that shall not be named. They claimed the video was taken in the city of Springfield. They further claimed the people interviewed were actual residents of Springfield. These paid actors said the Haitians have overrun their schools, the once clean city is strewn with trash, the local hospital is going broke...

Ahh, yeah, I think Orange Jesus said that, too: "I saw it on TV..."

Am I surprised that Fox "News" could find some good white folks to say that some Black folks were ruining their fair city? Um, no.

Would you be surprised to learn that the city shrank from a population of 80,000 to 60,000 in 2014 and the immigrants’ arrival brought an economic revival to the city?

And what hospital exactly? Mercy Health has two hospitals in the Springfield, Ohio area and they seem to be doing just fine, thank you.

Maybe the goose population is down because of the guy that was photographed with a goose who people said was taken in Springfield but it turned out to have been taken in Columbus. Oh wait.

Maybe I have a little more confidence in the word of a Springfield business owner who actually employs Haitians:

“We want more jobs in our community, and in order to fill those jobs, some jobs need to be people who are not originally from here,” Jaime McGregor, who owns the manufacturing factory McGregor Metals in Springfield, told PBS.

McGregor told the outlet that about 10% of his workforce, about 30 employees, is Haitian.

“I wish I had 30 more,” he said. “Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don’t have a drug problem. They’ll stay at their machine. They’ll achieve their numbers. They are here to work. And so in general, that’s a stark difference from what we’re used to in our community.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/...

Wait what? Nobody told me!
Why did I bother studying for the written test and driving school for the driving test?

That doesn’t mean you pick up a license off the shelf at the grocery store. It means you study the rules, you learn to understand the signs, you take a driving test, if you pass both the written and driving test, you get a license.

You do not have to be a citizen, you have to pass the driving tests. You also, technically, have to buy insurance, but a significant part of good ole boys don’t bother with that either.

>>any immigrant age 18 or older cannot be denied a drivers license so traffic accidents are way up<<

Wait what? Nobody told me!
Why did I bother studying for the written test and driving school for the driving test? - kof3

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From the Columbus OH Dispatch,

DeWine's (OH Governor) announcement came as the city, just northeast of Dayton, finds itself in the middle of a contentious immigration debate. An estimated 15,000 Haitians have settled in Springfield over the past several years, a dramatic population increase for a community with nearly 59,000 people as of the 2020 census.

The result, local and state officials say: A housing crisis, overtaxed health care system and concerns about driver safety that only increased after a Haitian immigrant caused a school bus crash that killed an 11-year-old on board. DeWine said the state will commit at least $2.5 million to expand primary care access and send state troopers to Clark County to help local police monitor the roads.

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From the OH Bureau of Motor Vehicles

Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles Registrar Charlie Norman said 2,353 Haitian immigrants in Clark County have driver’s licenses. And to get them, he said they must provide documentation to get a license – just like everyone else.

Gov. Mike DeWine said Haitians have limited access to cars in their home country so when they come here, they lack driver training. DeWine said he will boost opportunities for driver education and try to overcome language barriers that contribute to driver confusion.

“The Ohio Traffic Safety Office has been on the ground in Clark county in the past year, working with the community there, providing driver training resources, doing specification creole driver training classes. They have created instructional resources and instructional aids in Haitian creole," Norman said.

Ohio currently doesn't require driver education training for anyone over 18 years old.

Yet there are real residents who report that schools, hospitals, etc being overrun.

That's normal when people of child bearing age move into an area. Notice they DON'T say there isn't enough housing? That's because there is likely enough housing due to population drop. They probably need more teachers, nurses, etc. Import more Filipina nurses! :) Notice you have to have an education to be a teacher or a nurse?

Ohio currently doesn't require driver education training for anyone over 18 years old.

But they do require you pass a written test and a driver's test. And I'll bet you that if you get a ticket and don't want it on your record to keep your insurance low, you go to a driver's school on Saturday. :) Been there.

By the third generation they'll be Americanized - and voting Republican if the Republicans shape up. Can y'all shape up?

bighairymike: ...a Haitian immigrant caused a school bus crash that killed an 11-year-old on board.

And the family of Aiden Clark has repeatedly asked Vance and Trump to stop using their son's accidental death as a political weapon: "Using Aiden as a political tool is, to say the least, reprehensible."

There have been about 43,000 traffic fatalities a year in the United States for the past few years. That's, what, about 115 deaths per day? Yet republicans never raised the issue of traffic safety or traffic fatalities until the accident in Springfield was politicized by Vance and Trump, stoking the anger of their cult because that's basically the only arrow they've got in their campaign quiver.


https://www.wlwt.com/article/aiden-clark-springfie...

Am I surprised that Fox "News" could find some good white folks to say that some Black folks were ruining their fair city? Um, no. - Goofy

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Here is video from an actual resident speaking at a recent city council meeting. This is really good set construction, scripting and acting. Such quality, so fast, hats off to Fox News and their production company. And Fox didn't even mention their name or put their logo on it. This AI is really convincing....

Now on to the totally fake video, 58 sec.

https://youtu.be/jO6mjT3KczY

bighairymike: "a Haitian immigrant caused a school bus crash that killed an 11-year-old on board."

Hey Mike, please don't pretend that you care about the death of a child...

The U.S. is the only major industrialized country in which firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens. (Just the way Mike likes it.)
The U.S. consistently leads the world in school shootings compared to other developed countries. (Just the way Mike likes it.)
Between 2009 and 2018, the U.S. had 288 school shootings, while the next highest country Mexico had only 8. (Just the way Mike likes it.)
The U.S. consistently shows significantly higher rates of school shootings than other industrialized nations. (Just the way Mike likes it.)
For example, during the same period when the U.S. had 288 shootings, countries like Canada and France each had only 2, and many countries like the UK and Japan had none. (Just the way Mike likes it.)
The issue extends beyond just school shootings. The U.S. also has higher rates of gun violence in general compared to other high-income countries. (Just the way Mike likes it.)


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings...

Yes. There are people who bought houses in OK areas, never moved, and the area declined. Now the area is bad and they are elderly. "Straining the services", means that food banks and all the homeless assistance isn't there and the city can't cope until the taxes catch up. The businesses might be located just outside the city limits. The state government should help. I sympathize with those people.

Nothing ever stays the same. When I went house hunting I looked in every area, got to know the bad areas - and would get out and look. My wife wouldn't get out of the car. Areas go bad, and the residents will tell you if you ask.

They have nothing. That’s why they’re waving around the race card.

As I’ve said. libs need to live up to their values and invite loads of folks into their homes.

As I’ve said. libs need to live up to their values and invite loads of folks into their homes.

That's Christians, not Libs. Of course we realize Christians who actually live their religion aren't a problem, in fact they are a blessing. :)

Actually, we realize your view of our values is that we invite folks into YOUR home. That isn't so, we do want to be humane and would never ask people to live in your home. :)

They have nothing. That’s why they’re waving around the race card.

As I’ve said. libs need to live up to their values and invite loads of folks into their homes. - dope

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And Tren de Argura, who didn't take over the hotel in Aurora, are now not taking over a hotel in El Paso. There is a separate "here too" from the mayor of Dallas. I am eager to see how Texas deals with immigrant criminals.

That's Christians, not Libs.

I'm sorry, you're right. liberals have no values other than rank hypocrisy and insisting that others take on all the burdens.

"Does anybody care about the good people of Springfield."

You are a disgraceful human being.

<<Does anybody care about the good people of Springfield. They were leading their life, enjoying small town living, streets were clean and quiet, not making trouble for anyway. Then suddenly a 15,000 human missile is launched right at the city. Now schools are overwhelmed, food pantries are bare, massive increase in traffic accidents, trash everywhere.>>


As it happens, I have a good friend in Springfield, a retired Baptist pastor who formerly led a prominent church in a Detroit suburb. He tells me that he and most longtime Springfield residents are heartsick over the grossly distorted portrait of their city that is being conveyed by Vance, Trump, Fox News, etc.

Yes, Springfield is grappling with the rapid population growth, primarily because the GOP-led state government in Ohio has not offered much in the way of resources to handle that growth. Their Senator, JD Vance, has done nothing constructive either.

Here's what happened. A smallish group of Haitians, virtually all of whom are in the U.S. under legal status as refugees from the violence and devastation in their home country, came to Springfield because the churches and other institutions there welcomed them and because there were low-wage jobs available to them that went unfilled. Then, as typically happens with immigrant communities, the first group tells their friends and relatives about the opportunities and about the generally welcoming community, and so more come. They are overwhelmingly law-abiding, grateful people.

The nighmarish scenarios depicted by Vance, who should know better, and the rest of the MAGAs are, like most big lies, grounded in a few facts that are then blown entirely out of proportion.

The MAGA politicos and their fellow traveler media outlets are lying to you, because it is in their interest to spread those lies. End of story.

From the Columbus OH Dispatch,

DeWine's (OH Governor) announcement came as the city, just northeast of Dayton, finds itself in the middle of a contentious immigration debate. An estimated 15,000 Haitians have settled in Springfield over the past several years, a dramatic population increase for a community with nearly 59,000 people as of the 2020 census.

The result, local and state officials say: A housing crisis, overtaxed health care system and concerns about driver safety that only increased after a Haitian immigrant caused a school bus crash that killed an 11-year-old on board. DeWine said the state will commit at least $2.5 million to expand primary care access and send state troopers to Clark County to help local police monitor the roads.

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From the OH Bureau of Motor Vehicles

Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles Registrar Charlie Norman said 2,353 Haitian immigrants in Clark County have driver’s licenses. And to get them, he said they must provide documentation to get a license – just like everyone else.

Gov. Mike DeWine said Haitians have limited access to cars in their home country so when they come here, they lack driver training. DeWine said he will boost opportunities for driver education and try to overcome language barriers that contribute to driver confusion.

“The Ohio Traffic Safety Office has been on the ground in Clark county in the past year, working with the community there, providing driver training resources, doing specification creole driver training classes. They have created instructional resources and instructional aids in Haitian creole," Norman said.

Ohio currently doesn't require driver education training for anyone over 18 years old.

None of this seems to exempt Haitians from driving tests.

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