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" How much reality will it take? “The authors of the #1 New York Times bestseller Shattered provide a revelatory, inside look the Biden, Harris, and Trump camps during the 2024 battle for the White House, arguably the most consequential contest in American history.
The ride was so wild that it forced a sitting president to drop his re-election bid, a once and future president to survive felony convictions and a would-be assassin’s bullet, and a vice president, unexpectedly thrust into the arena, to mount an unprecedented 107-day campaign to lead the free world.
Fight is the backstage story of bloodsport politics in its rawest form—the clawing, backstabbing, and rabble-rousing that drove Donald Trump into the White House and Democrats into the wilderness. At every turn, the combatants went for the jugular, whether they were facing down rivals in the other party or their own.
Bestselling authors Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes give readers their first graphic view of the characters, their motivations, and their innermost thoughts as they battled to claim the ultimate prize and define a political era. Based on real-time interviews with more than 150 insiders—from the Trump, Harris, and Biden inner circles, as well as party leaders and operatives—Fight delivers the vivid and stunning tale of an election unlike any other.
In the end, Trump overcame voters’ concerns about his personal flaws by tapping into a deep vein of dissatisfaction with the direction of the country. At the same time, Democrats struggled to connect with an electorate that felt gaslit by Biden’s insistence that he had delivered economic prosperity—and his pledge to be a “bridge” president. He tore his party asunder, leaving destroyed personal relationships in his wake, as he clung to power. And when he gave it up, he kneecapped Harris by demanding unprecedented loyalty from her.
As Allen and Parnes have done in the #1 New York Times bestseller Shattered and Lucky, they provide readers with a skeleton key to the rooms where it all happened, revealing a story more shocking than previously reported.”

https://www.amazon.com/Fight-Inside-Wildest-Battle...

Again, I haven't the slightest idea what that book or quote has to do with what I said. Nothing in it addresses whether Harris would have been the favorite to win the nomination if Biden had decided not to run after all. Is there some connection that you think is there?

Perhaps this interview on Morning Joe with the author might help. I'm not optimistic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=b0VaxK...

Again, so what? She wasn't Obama's first choice for candidate. That doesn't mean she's not the favorite to win that primary. As pointed out in the clip, she 100% had Clyburn on her side - and with South Carolina being moved ahead of Iowa in the primary calendar, that's really critical.

I asked you this upthread, but you never answered: if Harris wasn't the favorite in a primary in early 2024, who do you think was?

" I asked you this upthread, but you never answered: if Harris wasn't the favorite in a primary in early 2024, who do you think was?"

Isn't that the purpose of a completive nomination process? Was Obama the favorite or Hillary to be the party nominee in 2016? I already responded, the 5-7 people considered to be her VP, the short list, would have produced the party nominee. The adults in the Dem room didn't want Joe or Harris. Let's see how many books it takes to convince you. Trump should be sending chocolates to Hunter and Jill every Friday in gratitude.

I already responded, the 5-7 people considered to be her VP, the short list, would have produced the party nominee.

Well then, now I know you haven't given it any thought. Virtually none of the candidates on her short list would have entered the race at all if Biden had announced in, say, summer of 2023 that he wasn't running again.

Walz, Kelly and Shapiro had done nothing to build up their national profile - they're good VP choices, but none of them had laid the groundwork to start a Presidential campaign against an incumbent Veep on a few months notice. Beshear was in the home stretch of his 2023 gubernatorial re-election campaign (KY does their elections in the off-year) - far too late to switch gears. Buttigieg would have passed as well - running against his own Veep would have been exceedingly difficult, he'd never have a prayer on fundraising, and he would be almost guaranteed a cabinet spot in her Administration. The only one of her Veep shortlist that might have thrown into the ring in summer 2023 is Pritzker - and I think Harris beats him easily.

Remember, pointing out that Harris might not be the best candidate to win the general election in 2024 is not very strong evidence that she wouldn't have won the primary. Being the incumbent Veep is almost impossible for any rival to overcome - no incumbent Veep that has sought their party's nomination in the modern primary era has ever lost. They have a massive national public platform, they have the benefit of having campaigned - and won - in a national election, they have the best fundraising position of any candidate, and they hold the highest office of any other candidate. And Harris had even more advantages - she had the support of Jim Clyburn in early-state South Carolina, and her home state is the largest delegate prize and is on Super Tuesday in 2024.

So, no - I'm still not convinced that Harris isn't the odds-on favorite to win a primary that starts in summer 2023. Unless you can give me an actual name of a candidate you think beats her?

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