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No. of Recommendations: 2
I'll make a prediction: Trump will declare the war over and his undisputed victory over Iran on day 47 after it started. He's so enamored of being #47 and his admin saying "we've been at war with Iran for 47 years" that he will really want to be able to brag that he ended 47 years of war in 47 days. Mark my words!
No. of Recommendations: 1
Trump will declare the war over and his undisputed victory over Iran on day 47
Only if "Bibi" lets him.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 0
If it means THAT - to get America out of this defeat---by all means.
I want punishment for you people.
But not your soldiers - no way.
I so hope I'm wrong. I hope this ends with a contained Iran -disarmed and with UN Inspectors. If it does-- - future Presidents and sissy Europeans owe Trump.
But if not....
So far, 13 abortions have taken place for our military.
Yes, I said it.
I'm sone with the "we support troops" when they are used carelessly
No. of Recommendations: 7
I so hope I'm wrong. I hope this ends with a contained Iran -disarmed and with UN Inspectors.
You mean like the treaty the Big O got on board with? The one God and Savior Trump abrogated, because it didn't have his name on it? The one "Bibi" didn't like, because it short circuited his 40 year wet dream of crushing Iran, rather than "containing" it?
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 2
You mean like the treaty the Big O got on board with? The one God and Savior Trump abrogated, because it didn't have his name on it? The one "Bibi" didn't like, because it short circuited his 40 year wet dream of crushing Iran, rather than "containing" it?
No, that treaty never existed. You're talking about the treaty that
-front loaded US cash payments to Iran, which then funded the October 7th attacks
-Had no inspections
-Had no limits on their ballistic missiles
-Had no limits on their support of international terror
-Did absolutely *zero* to slow down their nuke program
It was called the JCPOA, and it was the dumbest "plan" ever thought of.
No. of Recommendations: 0
JCPOA didn't allow IAEA inspectors?
(I truthfully dont know, stopped looking at the details a decade ago)
LOL I know more about 90's politics than I do what is going on today :)
No. of Recommendations: 23
Dope1: It was called the JCPOA, and it was the dumbest "plan" ever thought of.
Umm, for the couple of years the JCPOA was in place, Iran reduced its enriched uranium stockpile by ~97% and enrichment was capped at 3.67% (far below weapons-grade). Centrifuges were cut by about two-thirds, the heavy-water reactor at Arak was redesigned to prevent plutonium production, and inspections were conducted by the International Atomic Energy Agency that determined Iran’s “breakout time” increased from ~2–3 months to about 1 year.
Most arms control experts agree: during this period, Iran was complying, and the deal significantly constrained its nuclear program.
But Obama did it, so Pedo Don f*cked it all to hell.
Perhaps you'd like to comment on the oil sanctions on Iran Pedo Don lifted that will provide Iran with about 14 billion dollars.
No. of Recommendations: 8
(I truthfully dont know, stopped looking at the details a decade ago) While Fox Noise howls at the moon, here are some facts:
The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) at a Glance
Monitoring and Verification
By 15 October 2015 Iran fully implements PMD “roadmap” agreed with IAEA
For 10 years approval of the purchase of dual-use materials by the Joint Commission working group
For 25 years continuous monitoring of lran’s uranium mines and mills
For 20 years continuous monitoring of lran’s centrifuge production facilities
For 15 years Joint Commission oversight of IAEA access requests to inspect undeclared sites
Permanent prohibition of certain weaponization-related activities
Implementation and eventual ratification of an additional protocol to Iran’s safeguards agreement
Permanent implementation of modified Code 3.1 of the Subsidiary Arrangements to its Safeguards AgreementLots more at the link.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/joint-compr...But Fox never lets facts get in the way of it's narrative.
Unlike Iran, Israel never signed on to the nuke non-proliferation treaty, so the US looks the other way.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 3
JCPOA didn't allow IAEA inspectors?
Nope. Not really:
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov...
5.
Between 16 January 2016 (JCPOA Implementation Day) and 8 May 2019, the Agency verified
and monitored Iran’s implementation of its nuclear-related commitments in accordance with the
modalities set out in the JCPOA,6 consistent with the Agency’s standard safeguards practices.7,8
6.
From 8 May 2019 onwards, however, Iran stopped implementing its nuclear-related commitments
under the JCPOA on a step-by-step basis until, on 23 February 2021, it stopped implementing them
altogether, including the Additional Protocol. As a result, Iran no longer allows the Agency to conduct
the following verification and monitoring activities in relation to the JCPOA:
Monitor or verify Iranian production and stocks of heavy water (paras 14 and 159).
Verify that the use of shielded cells at two locations, referred to in the decision of the Joint
Commission of 14 January 2016 (INFCIRC/907), are being operated as approved by the Joint
Commission (para. 21).
This left side of this board, which is the least informed place on the planet, seems to have built up a mythology around the JCPOA, which was a useless piece of sh1t the day Obama dreamed it up.
No. of Recommendations: 2
By 15 October 2015 Iran fully implements PMD “roadmap” agreed with IAEA
For 10 years approval of the purchase of dual-use materials by the Joint Commission working group
For 25 years continuous monitoring of lran’s uranium mines and mills
For 20 years continuous monitoring of lran’s centrifuge production facilities
For 15 years Joint Commission oversight of IAEA access requests to inspect undeclared sites
Permanent prohibition of certain weaponization-related activities
Implementation and eventual ratification of an additional protocol to Iran’s safeguards agreement
Permanent implementation of modified Code 3.1 of the Subsidiary Arrangements to its Safeguards AgreementThat's nice. But it's all wrong.
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov...From 8 May 2019 onwards, however, Iran stopped implementing its nuclear-related commitments
under the JCPOA on a step-by-step basis until, on 23 February 2021, it stopped implementing them
altogether, including the Additional Protocol. As a result, Iran no longer allows the Agency to conduct
the following verification and monitoring activities in relation to the JCPOA: Again, just because the echo chamber known as this board convinces itself that Thing X is True it's far more likely the opposite is in fact true.
The "inspections" regime under the JCPOA was a joke to start with and after taking Obama's pallets of cash the Iranians flipped him the bird.
No. of Recommendations: 19
From 8 May 2019 onwards, however, Iran stopped implementing its nuclear-related commitments
May 8, 2018, is when Trump the Magnificent abrogated the treaty. Why should Iran respect a treaty that the US did not?
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 4
May 8, 2018, is when Trump the Magnificent abrogated the treaty. Why should Iran respect a treaty that the US did not?
1. It was never a "treaty". All it was was a handshake thing from Obama
2. How many people did the IAEA really have running around Isfahan and Fordow? Very few if any.
The Iranians played Obama. They took his money and kept on doing what they were doing. Trump was smart enough to say, "Yeah, this is BS."
I notice the points about ballistic missiles and terror support are being conceded. Thanks.
No. of Recommendations: 19
I notice the points about ballistic missiles and terror support are being conceded. Thanks.
The JCPOA did not address those issues. It was not intended to address those issues. That's like complaining the "The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea" does not address Cherokee claims against the US government for lands stolen from the tribe.
Keep trying. I'm enjoying your mental gymnastics. :^)
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 4
The JCPOA did not address those issues.
Indeed. Which was one reason why it was a dumb idea from the get-go.
Keep trying. I'm enjoying your mental gymnastics. :^)
Trying what? There are the facts, and there's the mythology this board believes.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Dope1: It was called the JCPOA, and it was the dumbest "plan" ever thought of.
Dope doesn't really think, he just spews the lies he is told to believe by the RW propaganda machine. Sad.
No. of Recommendations: 16
"This left side of this board, which is the least informed place on the planet, seems to have built up a mythology around the JCPOA, which was a useless piece of sh1t the day Obama dreamed it up." - Dumbass Dope
You think the left is uninformed because you don't know why Iran stopped implementing its nuclear-related commitments
under the JCPOA after Trump left the agreement?
That is even dumber than your divide by zero nonsense. It is impossible to fix stupid.
