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Author: albaby1 ✶❂🐝 GOLD
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Subject: Re: The Iran Deal.
Date: 06/15/26 1:14 PM
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I've explained for 10 years why Obama's deal was ass.

But you haven't. As we've pointed out to you.

The Obama deal solved the problem it was intended to solve within the greatest extent possible. You (and others) criticized that deal because it didn't include missiles. Or didn't include prohibitions on supporting terror proxies. Or involved Iran getting financial relief. The criticism was that Obama didn't get everything that the Iranians would have agreed to.

But now we know that's false. It was always false, but now we know it. There was no way to use better bargaining - or even threats of military action - to get any of those things included in a deal. We just went to actual war with Iran, and they still were unwilling to include ballistic missiles or proxy support as part of a deal. It was never possible. And of course, this deal includes unfreezing assets and sanctions relief - because, again, it is false that Iran would enter into a deal where they limited their nuclear program without getting asset or sanctions relief.

So it turns out that Obama was correct. There were only three alternatives:

1) A deal - which would involve trading asset unfreezing and sanctions relief for Iran accepting limits on their nuclear program; or
2) No deal - we maintain sanctions, but those sanctions are not able to prevent Iran from getting as close to a nuke as they want (or obtaining it); or
3) Invade Iran like we did Iraq.

When you say the Obama deal was "ass," you're wrong. The Mark Dubowitz/Donald Trump line was always, "If we negotiated harder we could have gotten everything we wanted" - but that wasn't true.

It is easy to point to things that the JCPOA didn't provide for that we would have wanted it to contain. But those omissions don't make the deal "ass" unless we could have gotten them in a different deal. We couldn't have.

The alternative was not "better deal" - it was no deal. And we saw what "no deal" got us - Iran enriched right up to the point of getting a nuke, and sanctions couldn't stop it. And outcome so intolerable that Trump himself, Mr. "No Foreign Wars," felt we actually had to go to war to stop it. Are you arguing that Iran having a nuke but being subject to sanctions would be better than the JCPOA?
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