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Kristi Noem, a strong contender to be named running mate to Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, recounts in an upcoming book the story of killing her 14-month-old ill-behaved puppy, Cricket.

Noem recounts the story of the puppy ruining a pheasant hunt by “chasing all those birds and having the time of her life”. Hunt ruined, Noem took the puppy home but decided to stop by a neighbor's on the way where she let the puppy that she knew was exhibiting behavior issues run free -- “the picture of pure joy” -- to kill some of the family's chickens.

Umm. Sure, sound judgment there.

In fairness, she did have an extra-marital affair with Corey Lewandowski (who was also married at the time), so maybe 'sound judgment' is not her long suit.

“I hated that dog,” Noem writes, adding that Cricket had proved herself “untrainable”.

So whatcha' gonna' do with an untrainable dog?

You go get the family goat and shoot them both.

You see, the Noem family also owned a male goat that was “nasty and mean” and smelled bad so she took the puppy and goat out to a gravel pit in the backyard and shot them both as the startled workers of a construction crew looked on.

In normal times, I'd say this would eliminate her from running mate contention but who am I kidding? In MAGAt World this probably cinches her place on the ticket.


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/26/trum...

In normal times, I'd say this would eliminate her from running mate contention but who am I kidding? In MAGAt World this probably cinches her place on the ticket.

They do things differently on a farm. When an animal has to be put down for a reason, it’s what they do.

Then on the other hand

if she had aborted and killed her baby, she would be the darling of Biden and given a medal from the dem party, the
MSM wouldn't have cared enough to write the story.

Oh, don’t forget Obama ate dog. I assume the dog was killed first.

They shot the dog because it was attacking people and stock (chickens in this case). Folks who’ve never lived in the country won’t understand.

Oh, and your point on babies is spot on. They went from “Safe, legal, and rare” to no limits on abortions and basically celebrating women bragging about doing it.

Monsters.

LurkerMom: They do things differently on a farm. When an animal has to be put down for a reason, it’s what they do.

Well, "I hated that dog" is a reason, just not a defensible reason.

Even the most extremist of the far rightwing agree:

Catturd: "There's nothing you can say to justify shooting an 18-moth-old puppy in the face and killing it. NOTHING!"

LAURA LOOMER: "The fact that @GovKristiNoem had such bad judgement to write about shooting her dog IN A BOOK shows that she doesn’t have the judgement to be Trump’s VP.

That is called poor judgement [sic].

I dunno. Noem did something that Trump couldn't do during his four years in office: bring the Left and Right together.

'Course, they've joined together in their repulsion of Noem but, well, at least they're together for a moment.

OTOH, Noem could have driven 20 minutes to an animal shelter near her home and dropped off that puppy instead of shooting it in the face.

But again, she cheated on her husband with Corey Lewandowski, so poor judgment seems to be her thang.

Well, "I hated that dog" is a reason, just not a defensible reason.

I only read this far of your reply.
Not interested in your trying to make something out of nothing.
And don’t care if she cheated on her husband. None of my business. Hillary will tell you the same.

But again, she cheated on her husband with Corey Lewandowski, so poor judgment seems to be her thang.

She has what is so common in politicians, an overweening lust for power. No judgement at all.

Dope1: They shot the dog because it was attacking people and stock (chickens in this case). Folks who’ve never lived in the country won’t understand.

They didn't shoot the puppy, she shot the puppy in the face. And the puppy snapped at Noem, like puppies do. And what kind of moron allows a puppy being trained as a bird dog -- who she thinks isn't adequately trained -- run free on a property with chickens roaming free? You think a 14-month-old puppy can tell the difference between a pheasant and a chicken?

But no surprise that Dope1 -- who still refuses to condemn Trump for taking top secret NO/FORN military intelligence documents to Mar-a-Lago to store them unsecured in a bathroom and on a ballroom stage and refusing to return them to their rightful owners although he screamed for months that Clinton deserved to be imprisoned for having incorrectly marked classified documents sent to her in email chains -- and LurkerMom, doing her typical Colonel Klink impersonation, would defend the indefensible.

Anyone else want to defend Noem shooting her 14-month-old puppy in the face rather than driving it 20 minutes to a local animal shelter where they could place it with someone who isn't a heartless monster?

She has what is so common in politicians, an overweening lust for power. No judgement at all.

Yep, just ask Bill Clinton and zippergate.

Then there were the Kennedy men, say didn’t one of them drown a woman he was having an affair with? (wink wink)

They shot the dog because it was attacking people and stock (chickens in this case). Folks who’ve never lived in the country won’t understand.
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Liberals Club 401K'ers are fine with Biden's dog biting and attacking Secret Service agents.

That's how Liberal 401K'ers treat "the help".

Anyone else want to defend Noem shooting her 14-month-old puppy in the face rather than driving it 20 minutes to a local animal shelter where they could place it with someone who isn't a heartless monster?

Any of you libs want to defend the murders you are in favor of viable innocent children in the womb?

Any of you libs want to defend the murders you are in favor of viable innocent children in the womb?

Sure, it's not hard.

A fetus in the womb, at the stage of development that "libs" generally support an unrestricted right to abortion, is not a child. Therefore, it is not a murder.

A 14-month dog is very much a dog.

LurkerMom: Yep, just ask Bill Clinton and zippergate.

I could have sworn that just minutes ago you said that was none of your business.

Why, yes; yes you did: "And don’t care if she cheated on her husband. None of my business."

Huh.

So which is it: your business or none of your business?

<So which is it: your business or none of your business?>

Pretty simple: If it's a Democrat it IS her business, if it's a Republican it's none of her business. (Or yours!)

Gotta love what the right-wing media apparatus has done to some folks brains.

A fetus in the womb, at the stage of development that "libs" generally support an unrestricted right to abortion, is not a child. Therefore, it is not a murder.


What stage of gestation is that? Bear in mind before you answer that no democrat has said a word about where a line would be drawn.

What stage of gestation is that? Bear in mind before you answer that no democrat has said a word about where a line would be drawn.


Generally around the second trimester, absent some medical reason why a third-trimester abortion would be necessary. Roughly around viability. Lots of disagreements over precisely when an abortion becomes unconscionable, even among libs - so discussions about a specific "line" are always going to be fraught (and never universally supported within any group of people). But around there.

Dope1: What stage of gestation is that? Bear in mind before you answer that no democrat has said a word about where a line would be drawn.

I imagine most democrats don't draw a line because different circumstances have different answers in terms of timing, and because most democrats believe that abortion is a decision that belongs under the control of a woman and her physician or medical team.

But the data say 93.5% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (5.7%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (0.9%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation.

As long as we're talking 'timing,' most miscarriages, about 80 percent, happen in the first trimester before the 10th week of pregnancy. The risk of miscarriage usually decreases after 12 weeks gestation.

Third trimester abortions are rare, usually are performed because the fetus is no longer viable or because the woman's life or future ability to have children is at risk. Specialized clinics are required for third term abortions as well as specially trained medical teams.

The number of legalized abortions peaked in the late 1980s and early 1990s at about 1.6 million. In 2021, the CDC said there were 622,108 abortions performed in the U.S.

There are about 1 million pregnancies ending in miscarriage (a loss occurring prior to 20 weeks of gestation) per year and over 20,000 ending in stillbirth at or beyond 20 weeks of gestation.


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322634#m...

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/dr-harvey-k...

Folks who’ve never lived in the country won’t understand.|

Horse excrement!

My friends and family and I have owned and trained scads of pointers and retrievers ourselves and by professionals.

We live in Montana, California, Hawaii, and have hunted birds all over the western states, Mexico, Hawaii to Scotland. Screw your ignorant beliefs.

We've trained them ourselves, hired pro-trainers to learn the finer points ourselves, and even got one trained in Scotland and shipped here,German Shorthair, turnkey field ready. Hell, my wife's brother was with whom I hunted a lot was a dog trainer.

We've NEVER had the need to put down a dog. Never. Not once. And we've had some goofy pups. Hard stop.

If, in fact, the a 14 month old dog bit the Governor, it was her own damned ignorant fault. Either she or someone she entrusted the dog to abused the animal. Inasmuch as she said she "hated the dog", I'd bet she was the asshole.

You gotta be a pretty horrible owner to make a 14 month old pup bite you.

Yeah, they're out there.

You think a 14-month-old puppy can tell the difference between a pheasant and a chicken?

Maybe, maybe not. But that's neither here nor there.

By the time a pup is a year old it should be well socialized and perform the basic commands, and fetch a scented 'bird.'

Noem didn't train her dog. If she had trained it she could have commanded it to sit/stay.

I don't give a damn if she lives on a ranch or in a downtown high rise.

Training is the owners responsibility. She didn't do it. It's her fault for being a lousy incompetent owner.

A fetus in the womb, at the stage of development that "libs" generally support an unrestricted right to abortion, is not a child. Therefore, it is not a murder.


“What makes a viable pregnancy?
After 6 weeks, a normal fetal heart indicates a viable pregnancy. A fetal heart with no heartbeat at any point is called fetal demise. After 22-24 weeks, a viable pregnancy is when a baby has a chance to survive outside of the womb.
Mar 19, 2019”

So ya, libs support an unrestricted right to an abortion of a viable child.

Lucky you, You made it out alive and your mother gave you the gift of life.

Lots of disagreements over precisely when an abortion becomes unconscionable, even among libs - so discussions about a specific "line" are always going to be fraught

Late term abortions for reasons other than medical necessity are so rare that subjecting all women to an inquisition based on the unlikely supposition that they are not medically necessary is odious and detrimental the health and wellbeing of women.

"What stage of gestation is that? Bear in mind before you answer that no democrat has said a word about where a line would be drawn."

Sure they have. You just haven't been paying attention to what they have said.

Personally, I would draw the line where the woman and her doctor want the line drawn. Any abortion decision beyond 20 weeks is almost always due to health complications to the woman or fetal complications. When it comes to a woman's health, I don't think a lawmaker should be making decisions for her that weigh risks to her body. It should be between the woman and her doctors(s).

I think it is impossible to draw a big black line that 20 weeks (or 14, or whatever), because that ignores the fact that during pregnancy there are lots of grey areas where you are forced to balance different risks to woman, fetus, etc. People who insist on a big, bold, black, absolutely clear lines are just setting themselves up to look like monsters when the uncommon occurs (like forcing a woman to carry an unviable fetus and risk her health due to it being past the absolute line that has been drawn).

As a physician, I can say that the amount of absolute cr@p coming from right about abortion is mind boggling. From "partial birth abortion" whatever the heck that is, to Trump claiming, babies are delivered, wrapped in a blanket, and then aborted. The right revels in misinformation. They make virtue of their ignorance.

I'm going to say it, legislators are too uneducated on the intricacies of reproductive medicine to make laws regarding these matters. After a 4 year residency and 2 year fellowship I would be willing to listen to their opinions. Short of that. let doctors practice the healthcare they have trained to do.

The right revels in misinformation. They make virtue of their ignorance.

I'm going to say it, legislators are too uneducated on the intricacies of reproductive medicine to make laws regarding these matters.

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We are operating in a mode where the far right literally KNOWS nothing about biology and instead operates on "belief."

Belief that "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." That's what Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin said in 2012. Out loud. In front of an audience.

Belief that every pregnancy flows smoothly, divinely from conception to birth without a hint of problems or risks to the mother. Maybe this is true because women avoid talking about pregnancy in wider circles in the first couple of months because they KNOW bad things can happen and don't want the additional trauma of having to explain to everyone outside their family "what happened." Certainly women married to Neanderthals like conservative Republicans say NOTHING for as long as possible to keep their options open. Maybe it's true that conservative Republican men truly believe all pregnancies are nothing but rainbows and unicorns cuz no woman has ever divulged to them a bad outcome. They just handle it on their own and the men stay blissfully unaware and ignorant.

But that doesn't explain conservative Republican women supporting these policies. They know. Which means they don't care in the aggregate and must believe that in their personal lives and lives of their daughters, they can always get the services they need somewhere. A very "live as I say, not as I do" attitude. Only they are creating vast "deserts" of obstetric care spanning multiple states where doctors with the required skills are becoming more sparsely spread out, increasing the distance required to reach qualified care. Not all care required during pregnancy can be planned ahead to wait for an appointment days out and a twelve hour car ride or 2 hour plane ride to reach a facility.


WTH

If you are drawing a line, then you need to know that the starting point isn't a scientific calculation of when conception occurred, it's the first day of the last period. So someone can't possibly get pregnant on the first day, as that is the first day of menstruation. Typically, ovulation occurs on day 14, or two weeks. If there is a six week abortion ban, that is likely about 4 weeks after conception.

So I think 15-17 weeks is fair. YMMV.

But that doesn't explain conservative Republican women supporting these policies. They know. Which means they don't care in the aggregate and must believe that in their personal lives and lives of their daughters, they can always get the services they need somewhere.

Some of them genuinely believe that life begins at conception. Perhaps many of them, even perhaps most of them. Those folks support these policies not because they don't care in the aggregate about the difficulties that often accompany pregnancy, but rather because they've formed a general moral judgment about it.

Have they thought through all the consequences of that moral judgment? Considered all the ramifications? Of course not - as is the case with most people on most issues. Which is why those absolute bans that didn't cause the GOP any political problems before they had any legal effect are causing so many problems for them today - because they bring those ramifications out of the realm of the hypothetical into a real person being interviewed on the news.

"That doesn't explain conservative Republican women supporting these policies." WTH

Well, White women with a college degree are far less likely to support these policies...

White women with college degrees are more Democratic than Republican by 15 percentage points (42% Republican or Republican leaning, 57% Democrat or lean Democrat).

Overall the Democratic Party has a 13-point advantage (55% vs. 42%) among voters with a bachelor’s degree or more formal education.

And About six-in-ten registered voters who have a postgraduate degree 61% identify with the Democratic Party, while 37% associate with the Republican Party.

We need a better educated populace!!

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/pa...

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