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From an interview, he said:
I've testified literally hundreds of times over the last forty years in front of Congress and there's always been differences of opinions, differences of ideology, criticisms and things like that. But the level of vitriol that we see now just in the country in general, but just played out during this hearing, was really quite unfortunate, because the purpose of hearings is to try to figure out how we can do better, so that we can, next time, if and when we are faced with a pandemic, we'd be better prepared, and we could benefit if mistakes were made, we could identify them, and we try to correct them for the future.

Uh, huh. This from a guy who arrogantly proclaimed himself "the science" and refused to admit he got anything wrong. He testimony this week was a limp attempt to have it both ways with the "Well, at the beginning we had to do SOMETHING..." nonsense.

Well, yes. You had to do *something*, and that was to act rationally and look at the data you had. But he didn't. He kept his made up restrictions in place for YEARS and followed up the made up masking and distance standards with attacks on anybody who questioned what he was doing. To top it all off if somebody dared bring up the lab leak theory they were labeled a Conspiracy Nut by the media.

https://reason.com/2024/01/10/lab-leak-is-not-a-co...
One can debate the extent of Fauci's wrongdoing here—but it's the mainstream media that really dropped the ball in terms of lab leak discourse. The Washington Post was an early offender, accusing Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) of "repeating a coronavirus theory that was already debunked." The article explicitly applied the phrase "conspiracy theory" to the lab leak idea; The New York Times did the same, noting that the lab leak had been "dismissed by scientists." In fact, The Times' lead coronavirus reporter, Apoorva Mandavilli, went a step further, calling lab leak a racist theory.

The media dutifully carried the water and attacked anybody who stepped out of line.

ollowing this flawed consensus, social media sites—including Facebook—brutally suppressed any and all discussion of the lab leak theory on their platforms. As recently as August 2023, The Journal of the American Medical Association was still counting lab leak discourse online as evidence of the unstoppable spread of misinformation online. And the Global Disinformation Index—a British non-profit that received funding from the State Department, and tarred Reason as an unsafe news website—warned that blaming the pandemic on a lab leak could lead to racist attacks on Asian people.

Bureaucrats like Fauci and Birx, aided and abetted by the tech industry and the Disinformation Industrial Complex managed to destroy the public's confidence in the nation's public health sector. It's going to take years to rebuild.

And here's a supercut of Fauci, Daszak and others calling the lab leak theory a conspiracy:

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/163284745342565990...

Daszak is very much a guy who should get paid a visit by Karma.

" And here's a supercut of Fauci, Daszak and others calling the lab leak theory a conspiracy:"

Is that video real or an AI scam ?

Dope1: Well, yes. You had to do *something*, and that was to act rationally and look at the data you had. But he didn't.

What data?

No data existed. There was literally nothing known about SARS-CoV-2 at the time other than that it was killing thousands of Americans a day and sending thousands more to hospitals and overflowing intensive care units.

Entire countries were in total lockdown.

What, you wanted scientists to spend three months studying whether six-feet or twelve-feet was the right social distancing before acting?

And then another three months for a study to prove or disprove the initial study?

All while cities were bringing in refrigerated trailers to act as morgues because the dead bodies were piling up in the hallways at city hospitals and morgues.


Dope1: He kept his made up restrictions in place for YEARS and followed up the made up masking and distance standards with attacks on anybody who questioned what he was doing.

Complete nonsense.

Cities and states controlled by republicans almost immediately began disregarding the CDC guidelines. Then president, now convicted felon Donald Trump refused to wear a mask and berated reporters at press briefings who refused to remove their masks when asking him questions.

In South Dakota, the puppy killing governor refused to close down the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, and refused to require masking or social distancing. The event was estimated to have brought in over $720 million to the state. A study available in the National Library of Medicine titled "The contagion externality of a superspreading event: The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and COVID‐19" estimated that the rally was associated with a 13.5% increase in COVID‐19 cases nationwide and if it's assumed that all of estimated Sturgis‐related cases were nonfatal, then these cases represented a cost of between $3.8 and $8.7 billion to treat.

In short, you're in a cult and people in a cult almost always refuse to leave that cult (unless, in the case of Covid-19, they caught the disease they said was a simple cold and died from it).

Finally, so far Dr. Fauci is right when he said: "Those viruses were phylogenetically so far removed from SARS-CoV-2 that it is molecularly impossible for those viruses to have evolved or being made into SARS-CoV-2. It's just a virological fact."

And he also said he's open to new information but most virologists say that although a lab-leak origin is possible, the preponderance of scientific evidence points to a zoonotic origin for the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC77538...

What data?

No data existed.

You are really, really bad at this. COVID stretched out for years.

But here you sit, trying to pretend that it wasn't possible for anyone to learn anything over that time.

Faili-o = you. It's time for yet another firmware upgrade, ChatNPC. Go offline and get it because this version you have sucks.

Is that video real or an AI scam ?

Who knows, although evidently everything stupid a democrat says is now attributable to AI, lol.

public's confidence in the nation's public health sector. It's going to take years to rebuild. - Dope

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That's too hard. Mandates make persuasion and acceptance unnecessary.

That's too hard. Mandates make persuasion and acceptance unnecessary.

The sad thing were the number of people willing to Obey without question.

WA state was IIRC the last state to reopen. Sad.

DementiaDope: "Bureaucrats like Fauci and Birx, aided and abetted by the tech industry and the Disinformation Industrial Complex managed to destroy the public's confidence in the nation's public health sector."

Bullsh!t. Health agencies and legitimate medical norms have been under attack by quacks,'christian nationalists, anti-science alt-medicine idiots/ don't tread on me idiots... a coalition who took pride in their idiocy, fortified by the likes of Fox that stirred their sh!t and fanned their flames to keep them from changing channels, and congealed by an idiot like Trump who endorsed the stupidest crap; ivermectin/hydroxychloroqiuine, bleach, ultraviolet suppositories...

It's going to take years to rebuild.

It won't get rebuilt as long as blind partisans like Dementia Dope's cult and the aforementioned agents of rage continue their inane conspiracy schtick.

Disinformation Industrial Complex

LOL. Dope, you are so deep into the RW propaganda... This is hilarious.

I have really no complaints about Fauci. As I've said before, they were pulling vehicles over and washing their tires in the Philippines because the last virus they had was a pig virus and they thought it might be spread around in the mud on tires from piggeries. So we might as well do it again for Covid.

The distance, lockdowns, and mandates happened pretty much everywhere. I've talked with other medical folk and we laughed about what we got talked into, but the only fault I have is that Western medical took too long to understand it was airborne. That it could stay in the air for hours in AC buildings and it was difficult to catch outside in sunny areas. Masks did and do work, there isn't any doubt about it. Six foot distancing didn't hurt, as long as you masked.

Rinderpest used to kill a lot of cattle. Rinderpest doesn't exist anymore because cows don't argue back. You mandate farmers to vaccinate the cows, they vaccinated them, Rinderpest disappeared. Proof that mandates work. :)

There is no real accounting for the things humans do. I have a friend who got the Chinese vaccination because its "traditional". This is another distraction fielded by the GOP to take attention away from Trump being a convicted criminal, and maybe it will help the grift.

This is another distraction fielded by the GOP to take attention away from Trump being a convicted criminal, and maybe it will help the grift. - LOL

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You are deceiving yourself if you think the GOP cares about Trumps conviction. Because you want that conviction to hurt him so very very much, and he deserves it so very very much, doesn't make it so.

One of the lowest death rates from Covid was in one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Japan. Why? Because they were already accustomed to wearing masks during "flu season".

Masks work, without a doubt.

Masks work, without a doubt.

Masks can work to slow the spread by stopping infected patients from spreading droplets (via respiration and sneezing) to others. But they don't necessarily stop virus particles; merely slow them down.

Masking kids didn't seem to do anything at all as they were never at real risk.

You are deceiving yourself if you think the GOP cares about Trumps conviction.

You are deceiving yourself if you think I don't know that. However, I do know standard political plays, such as this one and they do fall under the theory of distraction. What matters to us is going after those people who aren't committed. That's enough, over time, to derail any Trump Presidential run. Then there's the well known October surprise! Trump tried to create one last time. Trump became President because of Comey's letter.

Masks can work to slow the spread by stopping infected patients from spreading droplets (via respiration and sneezing) to others.

That is the definition of the mask working. It slows the spread, and the spread does not reach as far, less people are infected, and the hospitals get less overloaded with infected bodies.

Masking kids didn't seem to do anything at all as they were never at real risk.

In areas where mask culture is accepted, it seemed to help. The virus can be transmitted by normal breathing and respiration, you don't need coughing and sneezing. Kids have a natural defense that adults don't have,, but what it is escapes me right now and I'm not looking it up. K 94s are very light and easy to wear.

Not every particle is stopped by the mask, but the particle is in a water droplet, if the droplet is heavy it falls to the floor, lighter droplets can float in the air for hours. K 94 means that in the test, 94% of the water droplets were stopped by the mask, but that means 6% got through. This is average. Most everyone had problems fitting around the nose - gaps.

The idea that masks don't work is ideological, not reality. Look at it yourself, of course it f'in works better than no mask at slowing and stopping the spread.

One of the lowest death rates from Covid was in one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Japan. Why? Because they were already accustomed to wearing masks during "flu season".

Masks work, without a doubt.

F'in A.

flightdoc 101: Masks work, without a doubt.

Most of the educated world understand the basics of virus travelling on aerosol. It's rudimentary physics.


To what glitch do you attribute the desire of the American rightwing to swear up and down that, in the context of masks, basic principles of physics cease to be real?

Masks can work to slow the spread by stopping infected patients from spreading droplets (via respiration and sneezing) to others.

That is the definition of the mask working.

Masks reduce the amount of droplets broadcasted from an infected person
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Masks reduce the viral load to which a masked person may be exposed.

Of course, in an environment where ideologues staunchly refuse to mask in large groups, the data on transmission will be skewed by the spreaders within an otherwise masked community. Example, Christians in Huntington Beach, CA (Nazi Capital of California)insisted on having large anti-mask revivalist meetings with more hugging and singing than normal... just to demonstrate they will not be influenced by communist/fascist/liberals and other ungodly influences .

One of the lowest death rates from Covid was in one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Japan. Why? Because they were already accustomed to wearing masks during "flu season".

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Looking back on that whole "COVID thing," one thing that struck me a few months after the pandemic began was this...

The last trip I took before the lockdown was to Las Vegas in January 2020 to attend CES, the annual ginormous consumer electronics trade show, on behalf of my employer. I attended with one of my software architects and another employee and we only had interest in the first day and a half of the show. On our last day, Wednesday, we had agreed to convene in the lobby outside the casino area of our hotel around 11:00am to then shuttle back to the airport. I finished checking out of my room early and was sitting at an empty slot machine on the border with the lobby waiting for everyone else to show up. As I sat there watching waves of people come and go, I saw a large group of Asians (probably 20-25) being escorted down the hall from the registration desks towards the casino by what was probably their travel coordinator, showing them the way to their rooms.

I noticed... EVERY ONE OF THEM was wearing a mask.

Even at that time, January 8, 2020, that didn't actually strike me as odd. I had already seen enough stock news footage of scenes from Japan, Hong Kong and Taiwan with people routinely wearing masks that I just thought to myself, "They must be worried about picking up American cold / flu viruses they aren't normally exposed / immune to..."

It was only around March or April of 2020 when lockdowns began, that I started thinking back to that and asking myself, "Had they already seen or heard something at home that increase their fear factor and precaution level?"


WTH

To what glitch do you attribute the desire of the American rightwing to swear up and down that, in the context of masks, basic principles of physics cease to be real?

Three plus years of listening to an orange demagogue spew hundreds of lies on a daily basis and on any and every topic imaginable, generating a disuse and atrophy of the few critical thinking skills that may have existed before this unfortunate experiment in human behavior began.

--Peter

Three plus years of listening to an orange demagogue spew hundreds of lies on a daily basis and on any and every topic imaginable, generating a disuse and atrophy of the few critical thinking skills that may have existed before this unfortunate experiment in human behavior began.

No idea which greyling asked the physics question, so I'll post this to you:

How large are COVID virus particles?

How large are COVID virus particles?

Very, very small. But unless they're on a water droplet, they're dead. So the better question is how small are the water droplets that are able to carry the COVID virus and keep that virus viable?

--Peter

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Masks reduce the viral load to which a masked person may be exposed.

Yes, that's how it works too - both ways. So they'd show little charts and have masked people and unmasked people and show the exposure. Simple math.

K95s stop 95% of the droplets in the test.

Surgical masks stopped 40% of the droplets. Mostly just splatter stoppers.

I ordered in some K94s from S Korea and the wife was happy, but she was overkill. She would wear a K95, and a K94 over the K95 and then one of these popular copper mesh masks that the Philippine stars wore over both of them. Didn't phase her in the slightest. :)

Our first lockdown was after the male partner of a Chinese couple died of Covid in Manila. They had attended the Sinulog Festival in Cebu and stopped by Dumaguete, where we were, for a night, then off to Manila. Sinulog was on Jan 21. So he probably died on Jan 24, 25th. The word had gotten out by then. We were likely told to stay home on the 26-27th.

Here's Japan on the timeline:


January 15, 2020

The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare reports an additional laboratory-confirmed case of the SARS-CoV-2 virus outside of China.

How large are COVID virus particles?

...........Very, very small. But unless they're on a water droplet, they're dead. So the better question is how small are the water droplets that are able to carry the COVID virus and keep that virus viable?

You can explain the physics to a mask-denier over and over and over.
But, like a person suffering from a serious concussion with no short term memory, they'll ask the same question minutes after acknowledging the answer. It'll drive ya nuts.

Thing is, time and rest are all it takes for the concussion victim to regain sanity.

The cultist, even with intervention, is not a sure thing.

Dope:How large are COVID virus particles?

pthe: Very, very small. But unless they're on a water droplet, they're dead. So the better question is how small are the water droplets that are able to carry the COVID virus and keep that virus viable?

Dope probably knows this. On his sites they would talk about smelling a fart and then state that gas was as large as or larger than Covid and went right through underwear and pants - so masks were worthless, completely ignoring the size of the water droplets.

You can explain the physics to a mask-denier over and over and over.

I remember seeing video during the early part of the pandemic of an anti-masker getting up in some city council meeting where they were discussing the need for wearing masks. He yelled and jabbed his finger at the council, saying "if I fart you're going to smell if through that mask, right!" He thought he had an ironclad example of how masks would fail to protect against covid. Perfect Dunning-Kruger bozo.

And regarding the safety of the vaccines... in a matter of a few weeks I had two different people tell me that "40,000 people had been turned into vegetables" by the vaccine. What struck me is that they had the exact phrasing and totally erroneous figure for something that had not happened. This stuff circulates among people who just have no critical thinking skills. Sponges that just absorb whatever crap they come across, the crazier the better.

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