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This is more geared towards Dope and Lurker - dear people I've met on TMF - who usually didn't ostracize me for going off the reservation, something I've done multiple times. Before I go on, I admit I've not been into politics on a day to day basis like I used to be. For perhaps 5+ years now I don't even know which numbers are the "news channels" when I flip thru channels on TV. I do headlines and try to stay current on trends, and read a few articles here any there from conflicting points of view because, frankly, I'm content that things are on a track that I long ago predicted and I'm more interested in making eye contact with, and having casual and then less casual convos with the players...be it the tattood mullet guy at Park Casino in metro Philly, or the lovely Afghani family who owns the kabob place across the street from it. Funny, I'm not good looking nor social but over the years I've been able to build rapport with strangers rather comfortably - go figure. ANYHOW......

Whether it's health, electoral, or after a 2nd term. Eventually Trump won't be here. I feel that TrumpISM - with tweaks is still the way forward for Republicanism. Before I go on please note:

1.)On TMF I used to say back in 2012. - drop the anti-gay-marriage thing. I said it's inevitable, ands that we're alienating young voters over something - that is a done deal. I was right on.

2.)I said even in the Bush years, STOP "free trade!" as a religion. That all the NAFTA stuff we backed not only hurt our own voters, but opposing such would BRING us new voters. Donald Trump's 2016 win PROVED my thesis 100% and .....do ya like the SCOTUS you got for the next decade or not?

3.)I used to warn that most levers of our economy - were going LEFT and that coddling of Wall Street and Corporations was like chickens taking care of Colonel Sanders. Do you see nowadays??? Who gets cancelled? Who gets ostracized? Is MAGA or the Right running anything from Goldman Sachs to Pepsi to General Motors to Apple to Google to the Ivy League or even the school districts? NO, IT'S THE LEFT. We got the guns, and the erectile dysfunction ads on the radio and ok, once in awhile we make a stand on Target or a beer brand. Woo hoo.

My point being what I'm about to offer will be odd - but I feel other out of the box things I've said have come true.

A WORKER'S PARTY, COMBINED WITH MUSLIM-AMERICANS......can help preserve Republicanism and some tenets of Conservatism. Yes that's right. Muslim Americans.


While the Left is forgiving Student Loans for the Chipotle Kids. Giving $7500 towards a NEW CAR for upper income white people, and telling people to "get a Green Job" --they are so incredibly out of touch and we can capitalize on it. Say what you want about President Biden - but the LIBERALS - SOME OF THEM- are realizing it. The imperfect CHIPS act....and INFRASTRUCTURE BILL should've been OURS under Trump. We should've told Mitch and Schumer to sit n' spin with their Corporate Tax Cuts for the Woke....and done things like infrastructure and CHIPS. Stuff that enriches OUR communities and OUR people. SOME Democrats saw they were losing - and wisely acted. They wanted to bring some of the TECH bounty to places like Ohio or Georgia and now it's pitiful how REPUBLICAN politicians who OPPOSED these things are trying to take credit in their districts. "AMERICA FIRST" was indeed semiconductor factories in Ohio, or roads in Texas.

Going forward.....

*We continue what Trump started with Hispanics and Blacks because guess what - any extra vote we get there is a PLUS that we never had in the first place. Talk very openly: You're still in the inner city, your kids are still in prison, and your kids are having kids. What the hell have those White Liberals really done for you lately? Yeah we want you to learn ENGLISH -- we want your kids NOT just to wash the dishes or mow the lawn, but to OWN the restaurant or landscaping company. There ARE people within these groups who are aching to hear this. Ever notice Trump does better with Hispanics than Spanish Speaking ass Kissing Bush did? Think about that.


*NAFTA, GATT, WTO, PNTR CHINA - ok, there's some good there but we need to extract a pound of flesh every time these Corporatist Liberals want this stuff. It can't be us helping ram it thru, and then being acused of shipping jobs overseas.

*ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. STOP with "Noun, Verb, Free Market". Usurping certain jobs is gonna help Woke Corporate Liberals, and hurt working class people - some of whom vote with US. Wanna lay off truckers because you can replace them with robots? Cool. The tax is $xxxxxx per year per robot and money goes to helping truckers - -and is subsidized by BLUE corporations who secretly can't stand Blue Collar America. These people are even annoyed to leave a nice tip at a restaurant for Krisssakes.

NOW...........

Stop shouting "ISRAEL!" blindly. Amazing entity? Sure. People who are gritty, smart, talented and tougher than I'll ever be? Sure. But Israel's constant manipulation of American politics lets it suck more money out of us, and it puts us in crosshairs with Israel's enemies. Again, it's poor and middle class black, brown, and white kid going to die in Iraq, Iran, wherever the hell is next. It's not Goldman Sachs and it's not Club Whole Foods going there.

BTW, a certain constituency - fully within their rights - votes 70% DEMOCRAT. And openly ridicules you people on the Right.

NeoConservatives: Mules of Israel. They USE YOU for their purposes such as the Iraq War that crushed President Bush's Presidency and gave you 8 years of Obama. Think back people: BILL KRISTOL and others were SO EASY to turn on you on a myriad of policies. They are no different than MSNBC where it comes to Trump or Trump supporters and in return......you'll let them start the "Israel! America!" chants as you bomb another country?


ENTER ISLAM.............

They are not a fan of Liberalism's war on parenting. Liberalism's war on Faith. The THEY-THEM-ME-YOU-HE-SHE TALIBAN on the Left is intolerant and they are militant and they are coming for you and guess what, our Muslim friends aren't big fans of this crap either. ALREADY in certain school districts - MAGA and ISLAM have won small victories in school districts against the THEY/THEM Taliban. Just ONE test of this theory....that has worked. '

Oh, speaking of "Israel!"


As I predicted, and OPENLY spoke about promoting for real (in my own tiny way) on TMF in the mid 2000's- I said Muslims will slooooooowly learn to synergies their vote and their money. They are still a generation or two away from critical mass HOWEVER look at Michigan today. The huge Muslim population - while not voting Trump - is sending a message to Biden about America's slavish devotion to Israel.

Ok, look. Like you did on Free Trade, Gay Marriage, or whatever we are good at shouting "MY PRINCIPLES!" "MY CONVICTIONS!" "COURAGE OF MY CONVICTIONS!" "HI HANNITY GREAT AMERICAN!" and you will feel like doing just that on this "Israel!" issue. but please look at all of the above I said..... your "convictions!" were put away in the bottom drawer and with. things like trade and immigration: You beat Hillary Clinton.


IF YOU MAKE INROADS WITH MUSLIMS......you can turn Michigan into a Red State. Not just winning it in 2016 like Trump did, but it could be a real RED state with electoral ramifications that Biden, Obama, nobody can do squat about.

And guess what - ask yourself why some of the loudest anti-Trump people here would not like this. Ask yourself why that is, and why you must do their bidding on this issue.

It won't be 100% lockstep purity. BUT on religious rights. Parental rights. Regulations on Small Business. Upward Mobility, you have TONS in common with Muslims America. And in return - they've got votes, and they are becoming an economic force too ----something we need on the Right.

All I'm saying.....

By cementing ourselves as a true blue Worker's party, and the topping it off electorally with Muslim America, Conservatism and Republicanism - can win even more cycles.

Otherwise,

You'll go back to Nikki Haley , W Bush, etc etc and you'll lose politely, and win demurely.

You'll lose this country economically and demographically, and within 4 election cycles you'll be watching the likes of AOC getting sworn in as president.

All I'm saying - -- there is a way to prevent that.

It's right here in front of us, already pilot tested.

A WORKER'S PARTY, COMBINED WITH MUSLIM-AMERICANS......can help preserve Republicanism and some tenets of Conservatism. Yes that's right. Muslim Americans.

A very thoughtful and lengthy post.

I think it's clear that "Trumpism" has caused (accelerated?) the GOP moving away from trying to bury the need on fiscal conservatism, and instead be more of a fiscally moderate, socially conservative party. This is what's been happening in Europe and other countries for a while: right-leaning populist parties eschewing austerity politics and/or attacking popular social welfare programs, and instead concentrating on socially conservative positions combined with a more open attitude.

I'm not sure that adding Muslim-Americans to that mix will really matter. Muslims make up barely more than 1% of the U.S. population, and an even lower proportion of the electorate. Other than a little outsized attention to Democratic Muslims in Michigan of late, there's no evidence that Muslim-Americans are a significant force in U.S. politics, or are likely to meaningfully contribute to the GOP coalition.

The general idea of trying to appeal to socially conservative minority groups is a good one for the GOP, but Muslim Americans are probably not the most strategic target. Asian Americans (among whom there is some non-trivial overlap with Muslim Americans) and/or Latino Americans are probably more fertile ground for adding to the coalition.

Of course, the problem with that is obvious - an essential plank of right-wing populism is immigration restrictionism, and Latinos and Asians are among the larger groups that are currently emigrating in large numbers to the U.S. So overt efforts to embrace those voters run into some internal contradictions within the party. Nothing insurmountable, of course - there are plenty of Latino and Asian voters that are conservative on immigration matters. But the tension is there to a greater degree than Muslim-Americans, who are not currently a large portion of the undocumented and/or asylee population. Which may be why you leaned towards that minority group - despite the GOP's positioning during the Global War on Terror and the fight against global Islamist terror groups back in the day, those concerns have started to fade within the GOP's foreign policy focus compared to immigration

But it's a very small group, and not an especially fast-growing one.

Agreed. Latino-Americans are a large group, majority catholic, and so socially conservative. Anti-abortion, anti-gay, etc. And there is some small, but not insignificant, portion of that population that is turning to Republicans. If the Reps would address the border issue sensibly, they might win a majority of the Latino vote, and that would be devastating for the Dems. There's 36M eligible voters who self-categorize as Latino. Biden didn't win by that much. I doubt the Reps could rebrand themselves in 8 months, but they could be 2028. Yes, there would be internal issues within the Party. Lots of anger among a large percentage of the Party.**

Let's hope they don't figure that out.




**Would they gain more than they lost? They might lose the Daily Stormer and tiki-torch sympathizers. The ones that Trump energized, and got to crawl out from under their rocks. They would NOT be happy with easing of immigration restrictions. But they might gain more votes than they would lose. It would be an interesting analysis.

If the Reps would address the border issue sensibly, they might win a majority of the Latino vote, and that would be devastating for the Dems.

I'm not sure that their outreach efforts depend all that much on having a "sensible" border policy. At least, not any more. Another consequence of the migrant population shifting from Mexican workers to Northern Triangle asylees is that the demographics of border control have shifted. The overwhelming majority of Latinos in the U.S. are Mexican or Puerto Rican. The latter aren't directly impacted by border issues, and the former aren't going to be as invested in the issue when it's mostly affecting different Latino communities, not their own.

The GOP has been doing an amazing job with grass roots outreach to Latino communities in Florida. Not just among the Cuban exilios down here in Miami, but all the different groups that are growing in Central Florida. Trump took 46% of the Latino vote in Florida in 2020 - I think he'll get a majority in 2024. They're not doing it with changes on federal policy issues - they're doing it with increased outreach and resources to Latino voters at the very local level, using their stronger position in state and local office to encourage Latino voters to participate in the GOP.

True, the nature of the border problem is changing (or has changed). But there are still a lot of Mexican nationals here, and the last thing the Mexican/Latino community wants is for things to be tougher for them.

But, yes, I have noted the increased Latino vote for Republicans. Still (nationally) overwhelmingly Democrat, but Reps are growing. From what I've read, that is mostly attributable to the Dem stance on LGBTQ (and marriage of same), abortion, and some other social issues. Because they are -mostly- Catholic, and don't like anything that strays from that.

But, yes, I have noted the increased Latino vote for Republicans. Still (nationally) overwhelmingly Democrat, but Reps are growing. From what I've read, that is mostly attributable to the Dem stance on LGBTQ (and marriage of same), abortion, and some other social issues. Because they are -mostly- Catholic, and don't like anything that strays from that.

It's not just that. Or at least, not everywhere.

The GOP has some advantages on economic issues. Here in Florida, for example, the Democrats did themselves no favors convincing themselves that it was okay to embrace the label "socialist" again. Whatever cachet that might have among progressives, it has a very different meaning for those folks whose experiences were shaped by fleeing the professedly socialist governments in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and of course Cuba. To Latino audiences, "socialism" isn't going to evoke Scandinavian single-payer health care systems, but corrupt dictatorships wreaking economic havoc. More generally, most voters are most concerned about the economy - and more voters trust the GOP on the economy than Democrats, and that gives the GOP openings among Latino voters also.

The other big factor are demographics - race and age. Most Latinos identify as white. As time passes, and we get into second and third and fourth generation immigrant families, these voters become just as indistinguishable from the rest of the "white" electorate as other previous migrant groups: the Germans and Irish of the 1800's, the Italians and eastern Europeans of the early 1900's. That causes a little friction with some of the Democrats' economic and racial justice positioning. And demographically, the Latino population is far younger than the overall population - today. That correlates to more Democratic support today. But as time passes, that "bulge" of younger voters (and parents that have lots of kids) continues to revert back towards the norm. The median age of the Hispanic population in the U.S. keeps growing, as the descendants of those immigrants in the late 20th century start having fewer kids. So with every passing electoral cycle, the Latino population of the U.S. is going to be older and whiter than the one before. Which is a recipe for GOP inroads.

Part of the GOP's success with Latinos is not making them all "Latinos" and understand and RESPECTING difference between the various nationalities. Which is great not only to get the vote - as we saw - but it furthers America into tribes within tribes which will do fell for the future balkanization and gridlock and political violence that someone has warned of, predicted, and now can't wait to see. (Blame the responsible parties ;)


Also, by using the term "Socialist" - Trump and his people did even better with some Latino constituencies who came to America to escape that blue state stuff.

onepoorguy maybe you can relate to this.


WHEN the Taliban on my side does "BAN ABORTION, EVEN IN RAPE OR INCEST OR LIFE OF MOTHER".....

Does that sort of turn off the Left?


Well, when the Left does the LGBTQ-TALIBAN stuff, the he/him militancy, it does the EXACT same thing to the Right.

First one to figure it out and change course is gonna have it real good.

If my side doesn't.....

Honestly I hope the Left does, and I'd love to see a Beshear or Raimundo do very well in 2028.

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