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“Mayor Eric Adams said Tuesday that he’s baffled he can’t get a meeting with the White House to talk about the Big Apple’s burgeoning migrant crisis — even as thousands of asylum seekers arrive in the city every week.

“The federal government said to New York City: ‘We’re not going to do our job — you do our job. You take care of 4,000 people a week, Eric, you and your team,'” Adams said at a press conference.

“Those who should have been helping us in government — every step of the way, [they] just critiqued us,” he lamented. “I’m not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel from the federal government.”

Hizzoner also said he’d met with President Biden several times about the issue — back in 2021 and 2022.

But he claimed he hasn’t been able to set up meetings since then, even as the number of migrants streaming into New York City has soared.”

https://nypost.com/2023/12/26/metro/lack-of-biden-...

What is this BS Biden is going through proper channels to close the border? LOL.

What is this BS Biden is going through proper channels to close the border? LOL.

As I've asked before, what "channels" do you believe exist to "close" the border that Biden could avail himself but isn't? Again, none of those migrants are illegally in the U.S. Since asylees are permitted legally to remain in the U.S. pending the resolution of their claims, and since Congress hasn't authorized the resources either to speed up the immigration courts or to keep all of the adult asylees in detention camps for years (while also housing and keeping track of their minor children outside of that system), there's not a ton of things that can be achieved administratively. The administration lacks the legal authority to use force to physically repel asylees from the border, or to construct physical barriers in many (most) of the places that such barriers don't currently exist, or the funds to do any of that.

But I'm curious what you think are the channels that should be exercised here?

Mayor Adams - spoke up.


To White Liberals....

Mayor Adams got uppity.

Mayor Adams got uppity

Yep, and out of the woodwork came these accusations reminding him
to keep his mouth shut or else and do as he is told.

Actually, you asked this of Dope earlier. He never answered you.

What she (LM) has been telling me is that Biden could do it with "the stroke of a pen". So, executive orders. Edicts. At least that's what I've gleaned. She can correct me if I misunderstand.

“” As I've asked before, what "channels" do you believe exist to "close" the border that Biden could avail himself but isn't? “” good morning, with all due respect, have you bothered to google who jeh johnson is and his background? When you continue to insist Jeh is a clueless fool and there is nothing that can be done , you lose any credibility. For three years Jeh has been warning us that team Biden’s border policies are a disaster and must be amended, period, end of story. Watch his interviews or waste your time defending the obvious policy errors, which , are as clear as night and day. Some issues aren’t debatable. Good luck.

hclasvegas: For three years Jeh has been warning us that team Biden’s border policies are a disaster and must be amended, period, end of story. Watch his interviews or waste your time defending the obvious policy errors...

First, you still continue to NOT answer albaby1's question: what can Biden legally do that he's not currently doing (and no, not EOs, the courts will block those in a heartbeat)?

Second, Johnson criticized the Trump administration for four years but you didn't seem to see him as a border expert then. Johnson has repeatedly defended the Biden administration, like this for example a year ago:

This administration, I believe, unfairly, is perceived as lax on border enforcement. In fact, we are sending back over 100,000 people a month and have been for the last two years, over 2 million people.

When Trump threatened to close the legal ports of entry, Johnson said it was bad idea, that migrants would simply cross illegally in the same numbers but with a devastating downside: we would know nothing about them and any threats they might present.

Johnson points out that during his days with the Obama administration, they tried to make it easier to detain and to deport migrant kids but that the courts blocked them.

For Johnson, the answer lies in helping other countries overwhelmed by poverty, violence, and corruption through financial aid in their home countries:

We can do things on our southern border to enhance enforcement ... but as long as the underlying push factors persist in these source countries, as long as it is as bad as it is — poverty, violence, corruption — they’re going to keep coming.

For Johnson, the answer lies in congressional funding directed at the source of the problem:

"We were dealing principally with the Northern Triangle countries Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico. This problem has become hemispheric. In addition to those countries, you now have Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela who are not cooperating with us," Johnson told Brennan.

"Their countries are literally imploding and there is migration to the north and the south," Johnson added. "Our Border Patrol capabilities, our resources are bigger than they were eight, seven years ago when I was in office. But they do struggle to keep up with this..."

Johnson says the Obama administration made some progress but that the Trump administration had no interest in pursuing that policy. And today's Congress isn't about to send money south of the border to stem the flow of migrants.

So, again, answer albaby1's question: give us Jeh Johnson's magic answer or provide us with your own workable legal solution, please.



https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/364...

https://www.newsnationnow.com/vargasreports/jeh-jo...

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/02/709017366/illegal-i...

“” Second, Johnson criticized the Trump administration for four years but you didn't seem to see him as a border expert then. Johnson has repeatedly defended the Biden administration, like this for example a year ago:“” you know my position with respect to trumps border policies, seriously? When you can complete a sentence or a thought without saying, Trump, let us know. Thanks. Trump shouldn’t be on the ballot either, comprende?

Apparently Biden, Blinkin , and Mayorkas found out our border isn’t secure, go figure. Let’s all hope they can find solutions, regardless of party.https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/27/politics/blinken-ma...

“”Already in northern Mexico, more than 11,000 migrants continue to wait in shelters and camps to cross into the United States, according to community leaders. Many of those migrants are hoping to enter the US through legal pathways established by the Biden administration, such as the CBP One app, which automates scheduling appointments to claim asylum with border authorities, they said.””. Is this a lie or factual? I’m not an immigration scholar I’ll rely on you, thank you.

"In my judgment, it is a crisis," Johnson said. "I said four years ago when numbers were at about 4,000 a day during the Trump administration that that was a crisis." From the article you shared, did you read it? Bottom line, for the past four years Biden, Harris, Mayorkas etc have insisted, the border is secure, period. Americans don’t expect very much from our politicians but please, stop insulting us. I know, but Trump, but Trump, I know. Unreal

hclasvegas: From the article you shared, did you read it?

Yeah, I read it. And other than addressing the migrant crisis by solving the issues of crime, poverty, and corruption through financial support in the countries where individuals are migrating from, Johnson has no solution.

So again, answer albaby1's question or put a sock in it.

When you continue to insist Jeh is a clueless fool and there is nothing that can be done , you lose any credibility.

I've never said that Jeh Johnson is a clueless fool. I've merely pointed out that many of the conditions that have led to the problems on the border arise from circumstances that aren't within the purview of the Administration to control. Immigration law is set by Congress, not the Executive. As is the budget, which also imposes constrains on what can be done administratively.

You obviously esteem Johnson and are familiar with his policy suggestions. What does he recommend that the Administration can do to eliminate the problem that they haven't done already?

“” What does he recommend that the Administration can do to eliminate the problem that they haven't done already?“” There you go again. Jeh never claimed he could,” eliminate the problem.” Stop the bleeding bro, stop digging, stop lying, comprende?

Stop the bleeding bro, stop digging, stop lying, comprende?

I don't. What are the specific administrative changes he recommends?

"" I don't. "" Sorry, I didn't mean, you, I'm referring to team Biden. My son has done nothing wrong, everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, the border is secure, etc, it's insulting bro. Pickle ball time, later amigo.

hclasvegas: Stop the bleeding bro, stop digging, stop lying, comprende [sic]?

albaby1: I don't. What are the specific administrative changes he recommends?

hclasvegas is a troll who drops turds in the punch bowl and then calls you an idiot and a liar when you point it out. He's been asked repeatedly -- along with Dope1 and LurkerMom -- to tell us what administrative changes would solve the border crisis without response. hclasvegas has touted Johnson repeatedly -- including "For three years Jeh has been warning us that team Biden’s border policies are a disaster and must be amended, period, end of story. Watch his interviews or waste your time defending the obvious policy errors, which , are as clear as night and day." -- but whatever it is that is a clear night and day difference is too gray for him to describe.

Sorry, I didn't mean, you, I'm referring to team Biden.

But what does Johnson believe that they should be doing differently? What are the policies that he believes they should be implementing that they aren't?

good morning, with all due respect, have you bothered to google who jeh johnson is and his background? When you continue to insist Jeh is a clueless fool and there is nothing that can be done , you lose any credibility

I've lost respect for you. Adios.

t. He's been asked repeatedly -- along with Dope1 and LurkerMom </I?

I love it when you think you have an advantage. And that you’re somehow involved in a real debate.

One hallmark of the immigration debate is for those who favor open border to egg on illegal immigration, watch the flood start, then throw up their hands and blame Republicans. All with a poop-eating grin on their face.

That’s okay. One doesn’t need Congress necessarily.

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/civil-s...

The CDC has the power to write whatever rules it wants.

One hallmark of the immigration debate is for those who favor open border to egg on illegal immigration, watch the flood start, then throw up their hands and blame Republicans.

But that's not what we're doing, in this thread. I'm trying to have a conversation with you.

Immigration law is set by Congress, as is the budget for any measures that might be taken to deal with immigrants. The President is in charge of administering those laws and resources, but at the end of the day they have only limited ability to affect the flow of asylum seekers. That's why Trump wasn't able to do it. Asylum seekers flooded the U.S. in 2019, because Trump couldn't build walls or have the Border Patrol use force to stop them or have Mexico keep them from reaching the border. Apprehensions in FY 2019 doubled to nearly a million. The Great Border Crisis began under Trump, not Biden....

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migra...

What saved Trump's bacon on that issue was Covid. He was able to use the public health powers of the CDC to block immigrants that normally would have been allowed under U.S. law to maintain a presence in the U.S. pending their asylum claims. But that's not an option anymore - not only has the pandemic ebbed away from any claim to be able to use that authority, but the SCOTUS has adopted a much stricter view of those types of emergency powers. Title 42 isn't available to Biden, and it won't be available to Trump.

So seriously - what specifically do you think the administration ought to be doing? This isn't a "blame Republicans" question. If the Administration is doing something significantly wrong, as you're suggesting, what is it that they ought to be doing differently?

So seriously - what specifically do you think the administration ought to be doing? This isn't a "blame Republicans" question. If the Administration is doing something significantly wrong, as you're suggesting, what is it that they ought to be doing differently?

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Okay, you have pounded that point into the ground. The law need to change. I certainly agree. But while we wait, Biden could project a different policy to would be immigrants, repetitively highlighting the lack of services, housing, and jobs for those who come here. He could admonish the immigrants, you will be immediately deported if you are convicted for a felony while here, and do it. He could choose not to sue Texas for placing barriers at the river. In short, stop encouraging the tsunami. He could do that under present law,

Speaking of present law,

That's why Trump wasn't able to do it. Asylum seekers flooded the U.S. in 2019, because Trump couldn't build walls

What about immigration that prevents the building of the wall? AFAIK, it was not completed because the democrats effectively blocked construction funding in every way possible. Let's assume that a wall was build and tens of thousands of would be immigrants line up to come in. Do we have to process everyone in line. If we can only process 1,000 per day, then only a thousand get it. Simple. The right to apply for asylum accrues for those already here. Ones still waiting in line are not here.

Also, the ones we do check, I have no idea how effective this vetting can be when these people show up with no id and no history of any kind. Are they even tested for communicable diseases before being released. Tests take time and slows down the rubber stamping.

That's why Trump wasn't able to do it. Asylum seekers flooded the U.S. in 2019, because Trump couldn't build walls

Except the wall WAS being built…with democrats fighting it tooth and nail.

Staunch protector of the border Joseph R. Biden actually sold off the raw materials for it:

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-border-wall-mat....

The same article notes they restarted wall construction…because they wanted to spend the money.

So seriously - what specifically do you think the administration ought to be doing? This isn't a "blame Republicans" question. If the Administration is doing something significantly wrong, as you're suggesting, what is it that they ought to be doing differently?

Said this a number of times.

Reinstate Title 42. That’s well within Biden’s power. It doesn’t matter what COVID’s status is.

Actually enforce the rule that says if you want to apply for asylum you do it through an actual port of entry. If someone enters illegally, their applications WILL NOT BE PROCESSED.

Don’t need Congress for those.

Next, human trafficking. It’s quite illegal already - no need for Congress there. Note that coyotes use Tik Tok to organize things. Start locking them up and oh, let the coyotes know that pulling a gun on a US official will be considered the same as initial use of deadly force.


There are some creative things that can be done with the CDC in terms of health screenings as well.

I haven’t had time to look through Biden’s executive orders on immigration; he’s had dozens of them and I’m sure many of them are the wrong thing to do. As soon as I read a few I’ll post a few examples.

Dope: That’s okay. One doesn’t need Congress necessarily.

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/civil-s...

The CDC has the power to write whatever rules it wants.

You have a link to TB, and seem to suggest the CDC can be commandeered to bypass the need for Congressional legislation. Would you mind outlining your plan for this? This could be interesting.

"Also, the ones we do check, I have no idea how effective this vetting can be when these people show up with no id and no history of any ki"

To add to the hypocrisy, these unvetted people are immediately placed on aircraft to fly along side American citizens who just finished standing in line, being scanned, and often interrogated before being allowed to board the same plane.

"Would you mind outlining your plan for this? This could be interesting."

For starters, take the money being spent to house, feed, and transport these folks and allocate it to immediately be spent on providing more judges to adjudge these asylum claims and immediately reject the notoriously high percentage of these claims.

He could do that under present law,

And it's unlikely to have the slightest effect. Trump was perhaps the most vocally, performatively anti-immigrant President we've ever had - and he experienced a tsunami of border-crossers seeking asylum in the last pre-pandemic year of his term. They're fleeing what's in their home countries - they're not afraid of a lack of housing or services here.

What about immigration that prevents the building of the wall?

As you point out, the President can't do it unilaterally. It requires Congressional funding. And even if the funding were available, it would take years and years to get the permits (those NEPA reviews are brutal) for the few areas you could physically build barriers. And in most places, you can't build those barriers right up against the border - either because the border's along the river (and thus the barriers can't be built within the floodplain of the river for a host of reasons, including treaties with Mexico) or because the border is in some other type of protected lands.

Reinstate Title 42. That’s well within Biden’s power. It doesn’t matter what COVID’s status is.

They can't do that any more. The Supreme Court has ruled that the Administration can't use health regulations as a pretext for taking more significant policy actions, and has narrowly construed the public health emergency provisions of the various statutes to limit the scope of that authority. "Congress doesn't hide elephants in mouseholes," and all that. Title 42 won't hold up - you can't deport lawful asylees for a health threat unless you can actually demonstrate that the deportations are required to fight a health threat. For asylees, who turn themselves into border patrol and can thus be easily checked for serious infectious diseases, it will never hold up against the new SCOTUS standards.

Note that coyotes use Tik Tok to organize things. Start locking them up and oh, let the coyotes know that pulling a gun on a US official will be considered the same as initial use of deadly force.

They do arrest the coyotes, when they can catch them on U.S. soil. The problem is that many (almost all) of the coyotes who are bringing the asylees are staying outside of the U.S. (or enter only momentarily to help the migrants across). U.S. law enforcement and border patrol has no jurisdiction in Mexico.

Being in a border state, I can tell you a third problem: private property. The wall was supposed to go through several persons' private property, and they were none too happy about it. I don't recall now if some of them were suing, but likely at least a few were. I believe this was in areas which the wall could not be built along the border, and so had to be built a mile or two on this side.

Which, if I recall correctly, elicited complaints from pro-wall people about "why are we giving Mexico some of our territory".

It was a mess.

But I think I'll help the anti-immigrant folks out here...why can we not enforce labor laws regarding the undocumented? When 1poorlady first came to this country, our HR department carefully tracked her documents, and asked for updated documents when expiration dates were nearing. It would require Congress to do ONE thing: heavily fine a person or company that knowingly employed an undocumented worker.

They do arrest the coyotes, when they can catch them on U.S. soil. The problem is that many (almost all) of the coyotes who are bringing the asylees are staying outside of the U.S. (or enter only momentarily to help the migrants across). U.S. law enforcement and border patrol has no jurisdiction in Mexico.

Correct. They arrest very few because they almost never cross themselves. They are paid to bring the migrants to the border, which is (usually, if they're remotely honest**) what they do. They drop them off and point "go that way", and then drive off.



**There are occasional stories of migrants being left by the side of the road, miles from the border. The coyote took the money, and then ditched them. But that is rare since they want more migrants, and word of mouth is their best advertising.

But I think I'll help the anti-immigrant folks out here...why can we not enforce labor laws regarding the undocumented?

We can. We do. That's what's causing much of the problem.

Asylees are allowed to remain in the U.S., but they can't lawfully work. Which means that they typically can't provide for themselves. Which is what puts such an enormous burden on the social services of the communities they're living in. They can't pay for their own housing or food or clothing, so public and charitable systems end up getting crushed.

The various Temporary Protected Status (TPS) declarations that Biden has made are an effort to solve that - TPS receivers can work.

It would require Congress to do ONE thing: heavily fine a person or company that knowingly employed an undocumented worker. - 1ph

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I think that is how the law currently reads, but you need to have the will to enforce it, no new legislation needed, except maybe to pass a law requiring the other law be enforced (LOL).

The problem is if the illegals cannot get a job, they will have to either leave or turn to crime support themselves. Better fpr them not be here in the first place.

Hmmm...and if they are pending asylum, they are technically here legally. So (potentially) eligible for SNAP (and other programs for legal persons).

Without comprehensive reform, I don't know what can be done, then. As I've said many times, walls don't work. That money (billions!) would be better spent on more rapid processing, detention housing, and/or similar measures. Might actually be cheaper than the Wall, as well.

The various Temporary Protected Status (TPS) declarations that Biden has made are an effort to solve that - TPS receivers can work. = Biden

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Why, all that does is reward the small percent of immigrants who obtain them. And it send a message of success back to the originating country at a time when we should be discouraging the tsunami.

" That money (billions!) would be better spent on more rapid processing, detention housing, and/or similar measures. Might actually be cheaper than the Wall, as well."

I just said that. It requires no legislation or legal acts of Congress, only a sincere desire to be serious about stopping this insidious problem we now have thanks to the desires of the current administration.












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What about immigration that prevents the building of the wall?

Money spent on the wall is wasted and could be spent in ways that would be more effective in slowing illegal immigration.

LM asserts in her snip from the NY Post: “Mayor Eric Adams said Tuesday that he’s baffled he can’t get a meeting with the White House to talk about the Big Apple’s burgeoning migrant crisis — even as thousands of asylum seekers arrive in the city every week.

“The federal government said to New York City: ‘We’re not going to do our job — you do our job. You take care of 4,000 people a week, Eric, you and your team,'” Adams said at a press conference.

“Those who should have been helping us in government — every step of the way, [they] just critiqued us,” he lamented. “I’m not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel from the federal government.”

But if LM had bothered to think back to the day in early November that the FBI entered his campaign manager's apartment and seized her records/computer/cell phone, Adams got this news when he had JUST landed at the DC airport to attend a meeting with the White House and several other mayors to discuss the migrant crisis. And instead of attending this critical meeting and then rushing back to NYC, he abandoned the meeting and had his plane fly him right back to NYC.

"New York City Mayor Eric Adams abruptly canceled meetings in Washington, D.C. where he was planning to meet with a group of mayors from the largest U.S. cities and the White House regarding the ongoing migrant crisis. Adams arrived in Washington and then shortly thereafter was back on a plane to New York City."
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/adams-abrupt....

AND.....even LM's beloved NYPost accurately reported on this at the time:
"Mayor Eric Adams abruptly called off his Thursday morning trip to Washington, DC, where he was expected to meet with White House officials over the worsening migrant crisis.

Adams was slated to join Denver Mayor Mike Johnston and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson to hold talks with “senior White House officials” behind closed doors — but minutes before the meeting, the Big Apple mayor canceled his entire schedule at the nation’s capital, which included meetings on Capitol Hill over the crisis.

A City Hall spokesman, Charles Lutvak, didn’t disclose what caused the mayor’s last-minute return to NYC, only saying that “he is coming back to deal with a matter.”
https://nypost.com/2023/11/02/metro/adams-bails-on...

And in addition......despite Adams' regularly blaming everyone else for the damaging impact that the migrant influx is having here, it appears that much of it would have been avoided if Adams and his administration had taken sensible preventive measures (like assigning case managers to new migrants as they arrive, to determine their needs and enable them to be in the records and reachable), and not made moves that makes things worse (like no-bid contracts to service providers who doubled their fees and abused migrants in addition). The NYTimes just did a deep investigation of the entire situation, and it is quite damning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/nyregion/migran...

the FBI entered his campaign manager's apartment and seized her records/computer/cell phone, Adams got this news when he had JUST landed at the DC airport to attend a meeting with the White House and several other mayors to discuss the migrant crisis. And instead of attending this critical meeting and then rushing back to NYC, he abandoned the meeting and had his plane fly him right back to NYC.

Now that is interesting. Looking to see if the campaign received illegal donations from Turkey. Has tow staffers connected to Turkey. What is going on there?

Now Sheila is dumping on the mayor who I guess got too "uppity"

The organic brunch crowd is showing their true selves.

Now Sheila is dumping on the mayor who I guess got too "uppity"

The organic brunch crowd is showing their true selves.

I blocked her and none of her posts appear on my screen.
Don’t have a clue what she rambles about. All I know from an email
from a friend here she cannot stop talking about me, shrug.

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