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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75974 
Subject: War Criminals/EJK
Date: 11/28/25 6:02 PM
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‪We qualify for committing war crimes or extra judicial killings. After we depose Trump, let's prosecute Hegseth and pardon everyone else.

Ryan Goodman‬ ‪@rgoodlaw.bsky.social‬· 4h
Textbook war crime/extrajudicial killing

"Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck. The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack ... ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions."

Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike, officials say: Kill them all

As two men clung to a stricken, burning ship targeted by SEAL Team 6, the Joint Special Operations commander followed the defense secretary’s order to leave no survivors.

...Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. “The order was to kill everybody,” one of them said.

A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.

The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.

Hegseth’s order, which has not been previously reported, adds another dimension to the campaign against suspected drug traffickers.

Some current and former U.S. officials and law-of-war experts have said that the Pentagon’s lethal campaign — which has killed more than 80 people to date — is unlawful and may expose those most directly involved to future prosecution.

The alleged traffickers pose no imminent threat of attack against the United States and are not, as the Trump administration has tried to argue, in an “armed conflict” with the U.S., these officials and experts say. Because there is no legitimate war between the two sides, killing any of the men in the boats “amounts to murder,” said Todd Huntley, a former military lawyer who advised Special Operations forces for seven years at the height of the U.S. counterterrorism campaign.

Even if the U.S. were at war with the traffickers, an order to kill all the boat’s occupants if they were no longer able to fight “would in essence be an order to show no quarter, which would be a war crime,” said Huntley, now director of the national security law program at Georgetown Law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2...
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Author: onepoorguy   😊 😞
Number: of 75974 
Subject: Re: War Criminals/EJK
Date: 11/28/25 7:42 PM
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If a warrant comes out of the Hague, a pardon won't do any good. He (the Secretary) can be shipped-off to face trial (and should be). POTUS can't pardon a crime charged by the ICC.

I'm a little fuzzier on the SEALs. They are supposed to obey orders (which, apparently, they did), but they are supposed to disobey illegal orders (which these almost certainly were). We might have to hold them accountable as well. Though I will defer to someone with more legal knowledge than myself.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
Number: of 75974 
Subject: Re: War Criminals/EJK
Date: 11/28/25 8:02 PM
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onepoorguy speculates:

"If a warrant comes out of the Hague, a pardon won't do any good."

The ICC has no jurisdiction over the United States, which was not a signatory to the treaty which formed it.

The combination of all-knowing pontification with ignorance of basic facts is...amusing.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75974 
Subject: Re: War Criminals/EJK
Date: 11/28/25 10:37 PM
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The ICC has no jurisdiction over the United States, which was not a signatory to the treaty which formed it.

This is true. The "exceptional" nation ignores several international treaties.

from the net sifter:

Treaties that have been signed but not ratified or withdrawn from

Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties: This convention governs treaties between states, and the U.S. signed it in 1970 but has not ratified it.

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights: This treaty has been signed by the US but not ratified.

American Convention on Human Rights: The US signed this convention but has not ratified it.

Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty: The US signed this treaty but has not ratified it


And, it gets Trumpier and Trumpier.

Trump says land strikes in Venezuela will 'start very soon'

“In recent weeks, you’ve been working to deter Venezuelan drug traffickers," Trump said during a call with military service members that alluded to the boat strikes, adding: "We’ll be starting to stop them by land also. The land is easier, but that’s going to start very soon."


https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/articles/trum...

Steve
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75974 
Subject: Re: War Criminals/EJK
Date: 11/28/25 11:40 PM
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If a warrant comes out of the Hague, a pardon won't do any good. He (the Secretary) can be shipped-off to face trial (and should be). POTUS can't pardon a crime charged by the ICC.

Oh, yes. I'm just thinking if we prosecute Hegseth, it may be easier to get the ICC to ignore the others. I'd rather not have American Military being prosecuted in the Hague. I also don't want them issuing warrants for our Military. Make a show trial of prosecuting Hegseth, and let it go.
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Author: onepoorguy   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: War Criminals/EJK
Date: 11/29/25 2:35 AM
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I also don't want them issuing warrants for our Military. Make a show trial of prosecuting Hegseth, and let it go.

I can see that point of view. On the other hand, our people are supposed to be "better" than that. I also wouldn't want to send them to the Hague. Maybe just a court martial, like Lt Calley. At most. Though, Hegseth is the "Calley" of this situation, issuing the orders. I don't think any of Calley's men were convicted (though several of his senior officers were implicated, including in the cover-up).
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75974 
Subject: Re: War Criminals/EJK
Date: 11/29/25 8:27 AM
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I can see that point of view. On the other hand, our people are supposed to be "better" than that.

Yah, if you look down the road you can see something coming and it's divisive. Since we did it, we'd be better off doing the investigation (we'd have to let them know we're investigating) bring charges, have the trial, and imprison him for a while. If Trump pardons him before he leaves office, we have a problem. I'd rather not cooperate with the ICC on that but thinking about what happens leaves me up in the air. It's simpler just to get trump to not pardon him, give him a good sentence, then pardon him after a couple of years. We could be nice and let him have booze in prison though. :)
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