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Author: suaspontemark   😊 😞
Number: of 3853 
Subject: Mortgage payment and HOA equilibrium...hmm
Date: 02/15/26 8:25 AM
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We've been looking a bit in Florida, tired the weather up yonder.

I noted there was a cheap condo for $109.9k - too small and dreary for us, but I also noted the monthly fees ($675) are almost exactly the same as what the payment would be on this loan with 20% down and 6.something% on the note.

What does this mean? It can't bode well when the value of a piece of RE seems to be headed down, and the upkeep goes up. Reminds me of buying like, a 2 year old Land Rover for a song, which is also a near-assured perpetual expensive maintenance project.

It seems hard to capture or understand the upper bound of the necessary intangibles in some RE markets. We've all seen various types of insurance spike, and the local markets are always...well, local. And Florida is bonkers.
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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
Number: of 3853 
Subject: Re: Mortgage payment and HOA equilibrium...hmm
Date: 02/15/26 10:29 AM
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fwiw having lots of contacts via florida time.
everyone i know who doesn't plan to expire there has at least a vague notion of getting out. (some niche exceptions like st.joe area transplants working from home or retired)

am not talking about the trump-induced non-owner\immigration outbound flood, but people paying property taxes.
if there is a big inflection to ditch pricier climate vulnerable properties, there will be a lag affecting inland values.
the ultrawealthy (and especially climate deniers despite in-their-face premiums) believe they have enough political clout to always get insurance\gov to pay...or are so wealthy losing a 2nd\3rd home is not the end of the world.
in general, everybody thinks they will NOT be on the back half of the departure...so let the math aid you.



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Author: InParadise   😊 😞
Number: of 3853 
Subject: Re: Mortgage payment and HOA equilibrium...hmm
Date: 02/15/26 11:04 AM
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We've been looking a bit in Florida, tired the weather up yonder.

I noted there was a cheap condo for $109.9k - too small and dreary for us, but I also noted the monthly fees ($675) are almost exactly the same as what the payment would be on this loan with 20% down and 6.something% on the note.

What does this mean? It can't bode well when the value of a piece of RE seems to be headed down, and the upkeep goes up.


I wouldn't touch a condo in FL. A few years back there was a catastrophic failure of a beach condo building resulting in collapse and many dead, not to mention condos destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium... Since then, condo regulations have gotten tougher, and enforced, HOA fees skyrocketing. Add into that grander storm disaster requiring more expensive maintenance. People have had a hard time giving their condo away, as the HOA fees and special assessments get larger and larger.

Additionally, the Canadian Snowbirds are for the most part finding other places to go, so those rentals, and in some cases the Canadian owned properties, are hitting the market, making it harder to sell at a decent price. That of course implies opportunity, IF you think there is a path forward for recovery. I personally do not, but wish you well in your search.

IP,
who also spent 8 years living in a hurricane prone area and will never do so again by choice
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