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Local Nazi Hopes Elon Musk Antisemitism Apology As Disingenuous As It Seemed...

"I’m holding out hope that Elon was as insincere as he appeared when he said his perfunctory sorry for agreeing that Jews are anti-white.
Given how much he’s done for the neo-Nazi community, it would destroy me if I found out that his half-hearted apology wasn’t done simply for PR.
Regardless, I know Elon has hate in his heart. I love it when a powerful guy gives me the green light on antisemitism. And finally he inspires society’s
neglected men that they too might one day benefit from apartheid money!" Local nazi Phil Behrens told reporters Thursday.

https://www.theonion.com/nazi-hopes-elon-musk-anti...

"the onion"

Haters grasping at straws now

Maybe you shouldn't have to, but still I think you might make it clearer that the quote was THE ONION. : )

get: Maybe you shouldn't have to, but still I think you might make it clearer that the quote was THE ONION. : )

I think you are correct, thanks.
The ONIONS fictional nazi does seem to capture the spirit of many of our friends on the right...
I.e. We love free speech, especially hateful stuff!
But we also want to ban books if we don't agree with the author!

But we also want to ban books if we don't agree with the author! - ges

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Not true. The only books being "banned" are being banned from K-12 schools based on their age inappropriate content as determined by the local school boards and parents of the students. Head on down to the corner book store to purchase whatever you want.

The only books being "banned" are being banned from K-12 schools based on their age inappropriate content as determined by the local school boards and parents of the students.

The only books being "banned" are being banned from K-12 schools based on theocratic, bigoted, racist, denialist biases of the local school boards and parents of some students.

There. Fixed that for ya.

Yeah, like Huck Finn.

Your statement is technically correct. Parents object to ideas that they don't support. Many of those same people oppose evolution in biology class. We're not talking porn here. "Huckleberry Finn", "Catcher in the Rye", etc.

California has it right. The state has banned the banning of books by any municipality or school board.

The state has banned the banning of books by any municipality or school board.

Books aren't being banned in Florida.
They're being age-restricted. Not remotely close to the same thing.

And yes, some of these books are what amounts to kiddie porn.

I know that's not true. Kiddie porn is illegal everywhere in the country. People will go to jail if that was happening.

I know that's not true. Kiddie porn is illegal everywhere in the country. People will go to jail if that was happening.

And yet, we can somehow have cartoons of BJ's between teenagers in school libraries. See how some might have a problem with that?

Do you think there should be a minimum age below which we don't teach kids how to go down on one another?

See how some might have a problem with that?

Sure. If true. You have a link? And something that indicates it's more than a one-off (i.e. mistakes happen...but you're implying a systemic issue, which will require evidence for me to accept).

So you want a library population sample of every bad book in Florida libraries? No, I'm not going to fetch that rock.

Dope1: Books aren't being banned in Florida.

Umm, what?

HB 1069 requires the suspension (not age-restriction) of materials alleged to contain pornography or obscene depictions of sexual conduct, as identified in current law, pending resolution of an objection to the material. A district school board must also discontinue the use of any material the board does not allow a parent to read aloud. A work's literary merit is immaterial.

Collier County Public Schools in Florida alone has banned more than 300 books from its school libraries.


The list includes:

Beloved, Song of Solomon, Sula, and The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison, awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1993.

Another Nobel Prize-winner, Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls, In Our Time, and The Sun Also Rises.

One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, by Ken Kesey.

2001: A Space Odyssey, by Arthur C. Clarke.

Stardust, by Neil Gaiman.

Many Waters, by Madeleine L’Engle.

The Man in the Iron Mask, by Alexandre Dumas.

Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley.

On the Road, by Jack Kerouac.

Flowers for Algernon, by Daniel Keyes.

A Good Man is Hard to Find And Other Stories, by Flannery O’Connor.

Slaughterhouse-Five, by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

The Once and Future King, by T.H. White

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/1069/Bi...

The process:

The process must 287
provide the parent or resident the opportunity to proffer 288
evidence to the district school board that: 289
a. An instructional material does not meet the criteria of 290
s. 1006.31(2) or s. 1006.40(3)(d) if it was selected for use in 291
a course or otherwise made available to students in the school 292
district but was not subject to the public notice, review, 293
comment, and hearing procedures under s. 1006.283(2)(b)8., 9., 294
and 11. 295
b. Any material used in a classroom, made available in a 296
school or classroom library, or included on a reading list 297
contains content which: that 298
(I) Is pornographic or prohibited under s. 847.012;, 299
(II) Depicts or describes sexual conduct as defined in s. 300

847.001(19), unless such material is for a course required by s. 301
1003.46, s. 1003.42(2)(n)1.g., or s. 1003.42(2)(n)3., or 302
identified by State Board of Education rule; 303
(III) Is not suited to student needs and their ability to 304
comprehend the material presented;, or 305
(IV) Is inappropriate for the grade level and age group 306
for which the material is used.

Question for you.
At what age should schools teach kids how to go down on each other?

Do you think there should be a minimum age below which we don't teach kids how to go down on one another? - Dope

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And given the answer is yes, some on this board think that parents and local school boards have no standing in the setting of those limit.

Dope1: The process...

You said the books were age-restricted. Wrong.

Here, from your link:

Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved.

Removed, not restricted.

Dope1: Question for you.
At what age should schools teach kids how to go down on each other?

Umm, which banned novel by Hemingway, Morrison, Kesey, Clarke, Dumas, or Huxley, or story by O'Connor "teach(es) kids how to go down on each other?"

NONE.

In fact, certainly none of the literary classics on the banned list do and I suspect none on the list in general do. Care to enlighten me as to which of the books on my short list or on the Collier County Public Schools banned books list does so?

Dope1: Books aren't being banned in Florida.

Umm, what?

HB 1069 requires = CO

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Progressives resort to bending the definition of words to advance their agenda....

illegal alien = undocumented migrant

pedophile = minor attracted person

men can give birth

women can have penises

now we are redefining "book ban".... You listed thirteen titles that have been banned. You know every damn one of them can be obtained in Florida, some even at the local public library. But if your nie year old daughter can't find it in her elementary school library then it has been banned. Is that your claim?

You said the books were age-restricted. Wrong.

lol. Which parent would object? Those with little kids or bigger ones?

Fail.

What age should kids be taught how to go down on one another?

It’s a simple question.

2001: A Space Odyssey, by Arthur C. Clarke
Slaughterhouse-Five, by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.


Only two of the most thought provoking works of the twentieth century. One serving as the inspiration for its namesake movie that included two mind-blowing segments... The famous "jump shot" from the slow-motion rotation of an animal bone (man's most primitive tool) to a slowly rotating space station (man's most advanced tool), highlighting the evolution of man's ability to create and use tools in only a few thousand years. The final segment of the film where Dave the astronaut has disabled HAL and traveled through a star gate, "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite." Dave suddenly appears in his capsule, looking out at a futuristic hotel room, only one curiously familiar in style, like a luxurious French hotel room. Suddenly, a man in a space suit appears outside the capsule in the room. Future Dave. As Future Dave looks around, an older man begins sitting down to a table to eat. It's Future Dave 2. #2 becomes the focus, only to have attention shift to an old man in a bed, "Future Dave 3." It then becomes apparent Dave is traveling into the future as he nears a state where he leaves behind his body and enters a state of existence as pure thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFknhB6h4QI

The other presenting a concept of time via strange aliens, Tralfamadorians from Tralfamador, who have a simple response to any reference to death. "So it goes." Why? As one finally explains to the protagonist, Billy Pilgrim... Because we Tralfamadorians see time as a continuous infinite ribbon of experience. We exist at every point on that infinite continuum simultaneously. You may be dead at point A but there are an infinite number of other points where you are alive and well.

I can guess why people might be a-feared of people reading ideas like that. Might really punch through the monotheistic monopoly on generating fear of death and eternity. Can't have THAT happening, can we?


WTH

bighairymike: You listed thirteen titles that have been banned. You know every damn one of them can be obtained in Florida, some even at the local public library.

Perhaps you should follow the conversation more closely. Dope1 said: "No books were banned in Florida, they were just age-restricted". He was wrong.

And I provided a small list of famous literary titles from the more than 300 books that are banned in one Florida school district, Collier County Public Schools, as an example of some rather questionable choices.

Now you come along and whine about progressives "bending the definition of words to advance their agenda" and bend the definition of banning: "well, it ain't banned if you can go buy it somewhere or go to some public library and get it."

Sheesh. Banned is banned.

WTH: The other presenting a concept of time via strange aliens, Tralfamadorians from Tralfamador, who have a simple response to any reference to death. "So it goes." Why? As one finally explains to the protagonist, Billy Pilgrim... Because we Tralfamadorians see time as a continuous infinite ribbon of experience. We exist at every point on that infinite continuum simultaneously.

Moms for Liberty -- whose Florida co-founder is evidently okay with threesome sex -- termed one passage of Slaughterhouse-Five "inflammatory religious commentary" that mocked the New Testament in a satirical manner. If that was their sole objection, I have to doubt that they actually read the entire book. So it goes.

The Kurt Vonnegut Museum and Library donated over 1,000 free copies of Slaughterhouse-Five to students and teachers in Florida when the book was first challenged.

I have not read 2001: A Space Odyssey in a while but am somewhat baffled by it being on the list.

Flannery O'Connor is another head-scratcher. A devout catholic, her stories were often violence but almost always featured the theme of redemption.

What age should kids be taught how to go down on one another?

It’s a simple question.

If the poster had any experience in the subject, it would not be causing them so much distress.

Clearly a cry of loneliness.

If it was a real problem, someone would have done it already, and it would be published somewhere. But it doesn't seem they have. You wouldn't have to fetch a rock, just give one of many links that would be available. But they aren't. Because it is not a real problem (i.e. porn or other such material available in school libraries).

I can imagine isolated incidents occur. Mistakes happen to the best of us. Or maybe a rogue teacher on occasion. But it is not a system-wide problem until someone can show me that it is.

It's been a few years, but I raised a daughter in the public school system. I was VERY involved, and contacted teachers and administrators on several occasions. There was no porn, or similar material, in the libraries or as part of the curriculum. My biggest issue was abstinence-only sex-ed. I actually took off work to sit in the back of those classes to see what they were telling her. It wasn't as bad as I feared, but I still needed to fill in some gaps for her. (She became the answer girl among her classmates...if she asked a question, I answered it, and apparently she passed it on to others. At least her classmates were getting straight information because of me.)

Flowers for Algernon??!!

What is offensive in that book? I read it in junior high. It was kinda sad, but not graphic in any way.

Yeah...CA definitely has it right. No banning books. All banning books does it try to ban ideas. The whole point of school is to expose kids to ideas.

Yeah...CA definitely has it right. No banning books. All banning books does it try to ban ideas. The whole point of school is to expose kids to ideas. - 1pg

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I am opposed to any law whose purpose (or side effect) is to exclude parents and local school boards from the decision making.

"inflammatory religious commentary" that mocked the New Testament in a satirical manner.

Fundamentalist religion is poison for a free society.

And yet, we can somehow have cartoons of BJ's between teenagers in school libraries.

'BJs'? 'Go down on one another?' First, kids need to be taught the correct terms. It's called oral sex.

Yes! By the time one is a teenager one should have basic knowledge of physiology, reproduction, safe sex in this age of antibiotic resistance, how not to get pregnant, but most importantly, the importance of mutual consent!

Explaining sex at an early age has become critically important for the safety of children since most kids have smartphone access to unlimited pornography.

To wit, they must be taught about mutual consent; warned against pedophiles and assorted molesters, that it's not okay to 'grab them' by the genitals because someone believes one's inherited wealth or job makes them eminently desirable.

"...And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

That "they let you do it" does not mean they want you to do it.

See how some might have a problem with that?

Yes, and that's a real problem. The real world needs to teach kids to cope with the real world. That goes for forcing children into child marriages, shaming or killing gay children, and marketing Junior AR15s to them.

Do you think there should be a minimum age below which we don't teach kids how to go down on one another?

Minimum age? That ship done sailed. Again, kids have access to porn on their smartphones. Teaching what oral sex is is not the same as encouraging oral sex. When they start seeing and asking, they need honest answers. They need to know the hows and whys for their own safety and protection.

They need to know it's not okay for a priest, coach, or orange spray-tanned man to grab them by the genitals because they think it's okay for them to do it.

When it comes to banning books republicans suddenly care about children?...

Meanwhile the GOP Forces thousands of children into poverty...
"Child poverty more than doubles, because Republicans in Congress (plus Manchin and Sinema) refused to renew the expanded Child Tax Credit in President Biden's American Rescue Plan."

And of course children are exposed to all types of illicit adult content on twitter, but that's cool because it's owned by a wealthy ring-winger, who hates the same folks they hate.

Facepalm...

And of course children are exposed to all types of illicit adult content on twitter, but that's cool because it's owned by a wealthy ring-winger, who hates the same folks they hate.

Left has gone from supporting terrorists who rape women and kill babies to blatant lies.

Silent majority is watching. Biden is toast. Literally.

dividends20: Left has gone from supporting terrorists who rape women and kill babies to blatant lies.

Interesting. Generally, comparisons go from bad to worst: "I thought you were an idiot but you're actually a flaming moron."

But you've structured your comparison from worst to better, so that "The Left" seems to be improving. We've gone from "supporting terrorists who rape women and kill babies" [which is absurdly false -- if you're referring to pro-Palestinian protesters, they're not representative of the left] to well, just liars, and The Right loves liars. Who's a bigger liar than "the election was stollen" Orange Jesus?

And isn't it true that PBS Kids suspended their marketing campaigns or removed their ads from parts of X/Twitter because their promotions appeared alongside tweets soliciting child pornography?

Why, yes, it's true, it's not a blatant lie.

You're in a cult.


https://today.westlaw.com/Document/I36889a103f7c11...(sc.Default)&firstPage=true

Left has gone from supporting terrorists who rape women and kill babies to blatant lies.

What bullshit.

In the meantime how about that very specific and real rapist, Trump? Seems those on the right love that guy.

supporting terrorists who rape women and kill babies" [which is absurdly false]

Hamas raped women and killed babies.
The left organized large pro Hamas rallies.
Rashida Talib was censured in the Congress for using phrases supporting annihilation of Israel.
Leftists at Harvard and other Ivy league schools blamed Israel for Oct 7th attack.

Silent majority is watching.

Hamas raped women and killed babies.
The left organized large pro Hamas rallies.

"Pro-Palestinian rallies aren't the left". LOL@him. Some folks just have to project their failings on others 24/7. In this case, it's him whining about liars.

Let's look at the head of the progressive caucus in Congress, shall we? Pramila Jayapal - whom I'm ashamed to say is my representative in Congress - was on CNN today:

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/173135094235...

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/house-democrat-clashes...

“I’ve seen a lot of Progressive women. Generally speaking, they’re quick to defend women’s rights and to speak out against using rape as a weapon of war, but downright silent on what we saw on October 7th and what might be happening inside Gaza right now to these hostages.”

“Why is that?” Bash asked Jayapal.

“I don’t know that that’s true,” Jayapal said. “I think we always talk about the impact of war on women in particular.”

Jayapal insisted that she has “absolutely” kept the topic in mind since Oct. 7 “and I’ve condemned what Hamas has done.”

“Specifically against women?” Bash asked.

“Of course!” Jayapal responded. From there, though, she pivoted to the scrutiny Israel has received over the unprecedented civilian death toll in Gaza while the war against Hamas continues.

Dana Bash for once wasn't having it and said
“With respect, I was just asking about the women, and you turned it back to Israel. I’m asking you about Hamas…”

to which Jayapal said
“I already answered your question, Dana. I said it’s horrific, and I think that rape is horrific. Sexual assault is horrific. I think that it happens in war situations. Terrorist organizations like Hamas obviously are using these as tools. However, I think we have to be balanced about bringing in the outrages against Palestinians. Fifteen thousand Palestinians have been killed in Israeli air strikes, three-quarters of whom are women and children…”

Pramila DID NOT answer the question. She pivoted over to the left's Blame Israel talking points.

The kicker was this

“I don’t want this to be the hierarchies of oppression,” Jayapal replied.

LOL. The left is 100% about hierarchies of oppression. It's why they're backing Hamas in the first place.

dividends20: Hamas raped women and killed babies.
The left organized large pro Hamas rallies.

Link? The "left" didn't organize sh!t in support of Hamas.


dividends20: Rashida Talib was censured in the Congress for using phrases supporting annihilation of Israel.

She's not the "left", she's an outlier. She was condemned by plenty in her own party and the censure vote was bi-partisan.


dividends20: Leftists at Harvard and other Ivy league schools blamed Israel for Oct 7th attack.

Again, not leftists; most of the people in those organizations contacted Harvard and complained. Why do you assume everyone is a leftist? It's not the left who keeps dropping George Soros and Jewish Space laser references.

The Texas GOP executive committee just rejected a proposed ban on associating with Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/02/texas-gop-...

And it wasn't a lefty who retweeted agreement with this: "Jewish communties [sic] have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them." And who endorsed white-nationalist conspiracy theories that directly inspired the Tree of Life massacre. That was Musk.

A few years ago, representative Ilhan Omar made antisemitic comments questioning the loyalty of Israel hawks and saying their support was "all about the Benjamins." Democrats made clear those comments were unacceptable. Omar apologized, and Democrats supported a congressional resolution denouncing them.

You guys cheer Musk.

And when are you going to condemn Orange Jesus for lending support to Hamas by saying how smart they were in their attack?

2001: A Space Odyssey, by Arthur C. Clarke
Slaughterhouse-Five, by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

Only two of the most thought provoking works of the twentieth century. One [2001] serving as the inspiration for its namesake movie that included two mind-blowing segments...

The relationship between the movie and the book is a bit more complicated. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%3A_A_Space_Odys...

2001: A Space Odyssey is a 1968 epic science fiction film produced and directed by Stanley Kubrick. The screenplay was written by Kubrick and science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke, and was inspired by Clarke's 1951 short story "The Sentinel" and other short stories by Clarke. Clarke also published a novelisation of the film, in part written concurrently with the screenplay, after the film's release. The film stars Keir Dullea, Gary Lockwood, William Sylvester, and Douglas Rain and follows a voyage by astronauts, scientists, and the sentient supercomputer HAL to Jupiter to investigate an alien monolith.

And when are you going to condemn Orange Jesus for lending support to Hamas by saying how smart they were in their attack?

I am NOT a Trump supporter and perhaps he should not have said it.

Hamas's attack was evil. It was also smartly planned, timed and coordinated. No one will dispute it.

However, I will give him huge credit for withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal.
I was a supporter of the deal that Obama negotiated and was not happy after Trump withdrew.
I did not understand it then, but after the Hamas attack I see Israel's argument very clearly.

Listening to some experts, I also understand the (President Trump'a administrations) Abraham accords were historic, but President Biden dropped the ball for unkown reasons.

And isn't it true that PBS Kids suspended their marketing campaigns or removed their ads from parts of X/Twitter because their promotions appeared alongside tweets soliciting child pornography?

Here is the chronology

1. For many years, Twitter was hosting questionable child porn and had thousands of bot accounts over many years
2. PBS was marketing on Twitter for many many years and had no issues with this
3. Musk took over Twitter in 2022
4. Twitter team identified and deleted millions of bot accounts including of child porn
5. Musk fired the content moderation team that was colluding with the government and reinstated conservative (right wing) suspended accounts
6. Left wing media went nuts. Elon went from "left wing darling" to target of hate and non stop bashing.
7. Twitter labeled PBS as "Government funded media" (which it is)
8. PBS withdrew marketing from Twitter for getting labeled
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/tech/npr-twitter-us...
9. X now has "community notes" feature to label/correct posts.

Commonone,

I would ask that you do not paint those with empathy for the Palestinian people as "Hamas supporters". The criminals in Hamas do not represent the Palestinian people generally, nor are they in favor with those of us on the left with a sense of justice and proportion.

You are echoing a terrible propaganda campaign to paint the Palestinian people as not worthy of human rights.

fd

Dope:"Pro-Palestinian rallies aren't the left". LOL@him. Some folks just have to project their failings on others 24/7. In this case, it's him whining about liars.

They aren't representative of the left's views in a scenario where someone talks right vs left. The far left is usually splintered into different groups that can coalesce around a theme, but most of the time are just out there and not cooperating with anything. As you can see below the difference between the left and right is 8% on this issue. This is why you sometimes come across as waaay out in left field ( yes, you are lefties in this sense.) :)


<snip>In that same vein, Americans overwhelmingly (71 percent) believe that in terms of U.S. policy towards the Middle East, it is either “very important” (42 percent) or “somewhat important” (29 percent) to protect Israel. This belief is impressively bipartisan: 80 percent of Republicans and 72 percent of Democrats feel protecting Israel is an important aspect of American policy.

What’s more, Americans feel that supporting Israel is more important than other geopolitical priorities. Roughly three-quarters (74 percent) of Americans say it is important that the U.S. fund military aid to Israel, the highest of any issue, beating border funding and foreign humanitarian aid (72 percent each), military aid for Ukraine (61 percent) and economic/military aid for Taiwan (52 percent), per CNBC polling<snip>

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4269507-...

The Americans in those polls are the same Americans, many of whose breadth and understanding of anything outside of America....is limited to the International House of Pancakes. (Good food, good deals btw --as long as not in 'certain' areas)

Also said Americans have spent years being told "Israel!" by Right. And "Israel!" by Democrats. Heck even Liberal centric shows - like the beloved West Wing (show I love)..... "Israel!" was always unable to do no wrong and was always the victim. This for decades has been in pop culture.....good people can disagree as to why that is ;) Realistic people know precisely why it is.

Also, Palestinians look different than Americans. They dress different. Israelis many times look and act similar.

Then there's the religious aspect: The very Christians that Liberals, and certain voters within the Left always denigrate, are sadly the biggest supporters of "Israel!" because they think it's God's will, and well, it's part of their religious identity no different than Cripps and bloods or whatever you call them in Democrat cities nowadays.

Also, professionally....if one were to speak against "Israel!".....they might have had troubles.

Sorry, but the same Americans who don't know the difference between your you're and you are..... and who don't know basic civics, don't have substantive reasons to be pro "Israel!". Don't count Americans on this informed venue, they are atypical and have knowledge.


The good part is, slowly.....drip drip drip things are changing. It's been this way in European capitals for awhile....it's been this way in the United Nations for awhile and now, thanks to the Progressives, certain attitudes, and opinions aren't fringe but rather, are going mainstream and becoming acceptable.

In the future you'll see Israel of course continue to manipulate America's policymakers. America is the Superpower. But as Israel - astute as hell - sees more writing on the wall, you'll notice Israel become more "friendly" and start to slowly manipulate ruling classes anywhere from UAE to Saudi to India. Already these historically pro-palestinian places are shifting their rhetoric a bit.

This shift is gonna take time but for now, and the bear future. Israel still owns America, and Americans.

NeoCon lite Biden is in the White House now. And on the Right, #2 is Sticky Nikki....the same Righties these NeoCons spit on and denigrate are fine with Sticky Nicky and Liz Cheney getting power.

Yes, Israel will still be ok for awhile.

But NOT forever.

Progressive Voices for justice, keep speaking loudly against apartheid and genocide.

There are people in America....who are tired of certain attitudes and behaviors too.

In the end this will call for strange bedfellows.

It'll happen.

The apology from Musk IS SINCERE.....because of his money. Period.

He's not stupid.

This isn't his first rodeo.

This wasn't a college freshman or a radio host popping off.

He KNEW and BELIEVED what he said.

But...for *some* reason - giggle-- he got a slap on the wrist.

Eventually some entities will see to it Musk pays for it. But not today. Today .....money was the difference. My my my what a surprise.

Musk was 100% INSINCERE in his apology and he leaves to see another day.

May that be an example for people - don't be scared to speak.

From Brussels to San Fran to Paris to Dc...... talk hard.

I would ask that you do not paint those with empathy for the Palestinian people as "Hamas supporters". The criminals in Hamas do not represent the Palestinian people generally, nor are they in favor with those of us on the left with a sense of justice and proportion.

You are echoing a terrible propaganda campaign to paint the Palestinian people as not worthy of human rights.


This cannot be stated strongly enough!

They aren't representative of the left's views in a scenario where someone talks right vs left.

Sure, Jan.
You folks abjectly refuse to understand the monsters you've been feeding all these years. I've said for a long time that sooner or later the beast you've been hiding in the basement - which is the base of your party - was going to start to be a real problem.

And now, here we are. "Goldie, Goldie, you can't hide, we charge you with genocide!" <-- there's your base right there.

Let's also point something else out.
For years, the worst actors even remotely connected to the right were immediately assigned to everyone *on* the right. Meaning, every Republican was immediately tagged with whatever label you people want to affix.

How's it feel? Not very good, I'd imagine.

There's a difference here, though: the left has fed and nurtured the Marxist intersectionality monster for decades. It's a Frankenstein's monster of your own creation.

And it's hungry.

ges, https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-donald-tru...

Dope1: Sure, Jan.
You folks abjectly refuse to understand the monsters you've been feeding all these years. I've said for a long time that sooner or later the beast you've been hiding in the basement - which is the base of your party - was going to start to be a real problem.

And now, here we are. "Goldie, Goldie, you can't hide, we charge you with genocide!" <-- there's your base right there.

A deep-in-the-cult Trumper lectures others on "the monsters you've been feeding all these years," forgetting that Orange Jesus dined with well-known white power leader, Holocaust denier, and antisemite Nicholas Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago and Ye, who routinely verbally attacked Jews on social media.

Now tell us o' great seer, what do you suppose that kind of endorsement and embrace from the leader of the republican party says to Jew-haters in America?

Then look to former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, who tweeted: "We cannot allow Soros, Steyer, and Bloomberg to BUY this election!"

Representatives Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene have defended Fuentes and spoken at events organized by Fuentes’ America First Political Action Conference, which the Anti-Defamation League describes as a white supremacist gathering. Representative Tom Emmer accused Bloomberg, Soros and Steyer of having "bought" the democrats in Congress.

You guys are long past "hiding": you're flagrantly embracing antisemitic tropes and hatred.

And this suggestion that every protester at a Jewish-owned business is a "lefty" is equally absurd. Every lefty I knows has no interest in anyone else's religion or sexual orientation or race but every "righty" I know is plenty concerned about every aspect of the "others" lives.

You're projecting when you see "monsters" in the democratic base.

As usual, every republican accusation is a projection and a confession.

Reality check:

Donald Trump and Mike Pence were endorsed by former KKK leader David Duke and by the "Crusader" the official newspaper of the KKK.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were not.

Neo-Nazis actually explain why they support Donald Trump and The GOP...
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/...

Remember The Unite the Right Rally/Nazis Marching in Charlottesville?
Marchers included members of the alt-right, neo-Confederates, neo-fascists, neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and far-right militias.
You know, the GOP base. Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons.

How about the old Southern strategy? Anyone know what that is? Bueller, Bueller, anyone?

I could go on and on but life is short and I have plans...plus it's not my job to educate the stupids.

Cheers!

What head What-About-Themmer.....

Not offended by the structural, mainstream Anti Semitism on the Left.....

A deep-in-the-cult Trumper

You're obsessed with Trump. You can't go more than 1 post without frothing over the guy. Get some help.

Every word I said is 100% true. You people do this all the time - every time 1 Republican says something even remotely controversial you loudly demand that every other Republican line up to denounce it...and then tar every GOP'er with the same brush even if they do.

Now it's your turn, sport. The rules you've made me, WILL apply to thee.

The mirror is being held up. Not my fault if you don't like the rather ugly ideological reflection it shows.

Want evidence that you're the one in the bubble? Here, let's quote:
Every lefty I knows has no interest in anyone else's religion or sexual orientation or race but every "righty" I know is plenty concerned about every aspect of the "others" lives.

The sad thing is that you really do believe this to the core of your soul. See, that's what makes you people what you are. liberals lie to themselves long before they lie to everyone else.

Not offended by the structural, mainstream Anti Semitism on the Left.....

Not one bit. Secretly, several of these guys would love to be out with their comrades doing this stuff
https://twitter.com/thatJVG/status/173144015836322...

Protestors in Philadelphia stand outside of a Jewish & Israeli owned falafel restaurant

“Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide”

That's a bunch of lefties terrorizing a restaurant.

At least there are some people in the administration willing to speak the truth:

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1731751320...

BREAKING: State Dept Spokesman Matthew Miller says the reason Hamas didn’t want to release women and the reason this pause fell apart is because Hamas doesn’t want those women to be able to talk about what happened to them.

This comes one day after
@RepJayapal
said we need a “balanced approach” when discussing the sexual violence and r@pe against Jewish women and girls on Oct 7 and while in captivity.


Jayapal just couldn't bring herself to say the obvious even after Dana Bash (and good on her for doing so) pressed for an answer.

It's obvious why that is. And yes, this is the left. In all its glory.

"Protestors in Philadelphia stand outside of a Jewish & Israeli owned falafel restaurant

“Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide”

That's a bunch of lefties terrorizing a restaurant."

In q sane world, with sane political leadership this would be viewed as a hate crime

Boater: In q sane world, with sane political leadership this would be viewed as a hate crime

Pay attention. The White House immediately condemned the protest: "This behavior reveals the kind of cruel and senseless double standard that is a calling card of Antisemitism. President Biden has fought against the evil of Antisemitism his entire life, including by launching the first national strategy to counter this hate in American history."

Senator John Fetterman said: "They could be protesting Hamas' systematic rape of Israeli women and girls or demanding the remaining hostages be immediately released,. Instead, they targeted a Jewish restaurant."

Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro -- a Jewish Democrat -- denounced the protest: "Tonight in Philly, we saw a blatant act of antisemitism — not a peaceful protest. A restaurant was targeted and mobbed because its owner is Jewish and Israeli. This hate and bigotry is reminiscent of a dark time in history."

And technically, it's not a "crime" to be an obnoxious, disgusting moron. Just look at Orange Jesus.

Speaking of which, what did Orange Jesus have to say?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-penns...

""Pay attention. The White House immediately condemned the protest: "

Wow, I am paying close attention , and am eagerly waiting to see charges being brought against those that targeted a Deli owner for an antisenetic display of hate. I am guessing at worst they may at best get a sternly worded letter of reprimand as this seems to be stern justice in our current DOJ.
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"And technically, it's not a "crime" to be an obnoxious, disgusting moron. Just look at Orange Jesus."

Apparently it is, if one looks at many of the vaporous charges that have been made.

"Speaking of which, what did Orange Jesus have to say?"

I don't know, you are the one with the cult like fetish with him, what is he telling you ?

Wow, I am paying close attention , and am eagerly waiting to see charges being brought against those that targeted a Deli owner for an antisemitic display of hate

The government can't bring charges against someone for anti-semitic displays of hate.

The key term in "hate crimes" is "crimes." Hate crime statutes are invariably drafted as covering crimes where hate is a factor, not merely criminalizing hate. So (for example) if the protestors had beaten up the owners of the restaurant because they were Jewish, they could have been charged with a hate crime.

But it's perfectly legal - though horrible - for you to just stand in the street and shout anti-semitic things at a restaurant, as long as you don't commit any underlying crimes while doing it. They can't charge you for it. They can't even impose civil liability for it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps

Albaby

They aren't representative of the left's views in a scenario where someone talks right vs left.

Sure, Jan.

Who is Jan?

But it's typical you completely ignore the polls and move on with frothing accusations.

It is possible to be pro-Palestinian people, anti-Hamas, Pro-Israeli, and anti-Netanyahu. You see it isn't a black and white world, it's shades of various colors.

Wow, I am paying close attention , and am eagerly waiting to see charges being brought against those that targeted a Deli owner for an antisemitic display of hate


Wow, your grasp of the law is lacking.

Why is everyone judging some Deli owner's comments as 'hateful".

After 9-11 we were told there isn't black and white. Good and evil is a point of view.

So maybe from the Deli dude's point of view, he was just saying the sky is blue and 2+2 = 4.

We shouldn't be so quick to judge.

The Deli dude needs to really speak more bluntly - - then maybe he'd get "counseled" by the ADL and a meeting with the Prime Minister of the ProChoice "Israel!"

Who is Jan?

The very meme you’re being.

And lol@ “polls”. The base of your party - the crazies - has taken over.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/democratic-s...

WASHINGTON (AP) — As a cease-fire ticked down last week and Israel prepared to resume its round-the-clock airstrikes, Sen. Bernie Sanders and a robust group of Democratic senators had a message for their president: They were done “asking nicely” for Israel to do more to reduce civilian casualties in Gaza.

liberal democrats lack moral centers, which is why they’re listening to the base. And what is the sentiment in the party now?

This is from March:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/472070/democrats-symp...

…and this is where you are now:
https://truthout.org/articles/poll-shows-american-...
Poll Shows American Support for Israel Is Cratering Amid Its Violent Siege
Less than a third of Americans now say they back Israel in its current genocidal siege of Gaza.

Before you start whining, Truthout is as lefty a source as there is.

I used to tell you people on PA that you put a saddle on a tiger. Now you’re going to see how well that will work out for you.

"Wow, your grasp of the law is lacking."

His grasp of everything is lacking. Science, economics, philosophy, politics, history.
Why would anyone waste time reading his drivel?
If you want to know what he thinks, just read Ben Shapiros twitter and you'll know his opinion even before he does!

"Why would anyone waste time reading his drivel?"

Speaking of drivel, yours is world class drivel.

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