Be nice to people. This changes the whole environment.
- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 7
Exclusive: Dick Durbin blasts Kristi Noem on proof of citizenship threat
Illinois U.S. Senator Dick Durbin wrote to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kristi Noem on Friday, telling her he was outraged at “repeated targeting and racial profiling” of American citizens by her agents carrying out “citizen checks.”
The letter came after Noem spoke to reporters on Thursday, saying that ICE agents may ask U.S. citizens for proof of citizenship during enforcement operations that have seen protesters clash with federal officers and citizens temporarily detained.
Bovino, who has been the face of DHS’ large-scale operations in Chicago, Charlotte and now Minnesota, has made comments on social media with a similar message, adding that a REAL ID is not proof of citizenship.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclusive-dick-d...What Bovino said is true. A "Eeal ID" only shows that you have provided proof who you are, not that you are a citizen.
Of course, there have been plenty of incidents recorded where someone insists they are a citizen, and have their passport on them, but the SA roughs them up and detains them anyway.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 6
Bovino, who has been the face of DHS’ large-scale operations in Chicago, Charlotte and now Minnesota, has made comments on social media with a similar message, adding that a REAL ID is not proof of citizenship.
We are in a "papers please" era. You can be accosted and detained, and if you have a funny accent, the wrong color skin, or ask questions (considered sass), you can be tossed in the clink for a bit, and of course there will be some nightmares, where you get misidentified and shipped off somewhere. One of my apprehensions is that my wife plays pickle ball and is always switching purses, etc., copies of the Green Card don't work but I make em so if she gets picked up it may help shorten her stay. My wife has the wrong color skin, her accent is fine, but she mispronounces some words and has that "I'm trying to think of the right word" hesitation.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Bovino, who has been the face of DHS’ large-scale operations in Chicago, Charlotte and now Minnesota, has made comments on social media with a similar message, adding that a REAL ID is not proof of citizenship.
Bovine is wrong--AGAIN.
I looked at MY "Real ID" federally-issued document, and guess what? Right on the front is a clear and unambiguous statement, printed on it by the US Govt:
PLACE OF BIRTH: STATE AND COUNTRY.
Got ICE by the balls on that one FACT.
Unless ICE doesn't like their own alleged documentation ("We're from the govt....") being trashed by the courts.
Then again, we could just let ICE stand outside in the below-zero F temps for the next week or more--no cars, hotels, food, water (frozen, of course), and so on. Hey, THIS IS MN !!! REMEMBER ???? YOU VOLUNTEERED !!!
No. of Recommendations: 3
I looked at MY "Real ID" federally-issued document,
My State of Michigan "Real ID" driver's license, the only "Real ID" I, or most people, have, has no place of birth information, even though I presented a certified birth certificate, from Wayne County, Michigan, to obtain the "Real ID" license.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 4
Steve,
Every single one of these supposed incidents where ICE supposedly "roughs a citizen up" for "no reason" doesn't pass muster. At least every one for which I have seen video or where more facts are provided after the initial MSM/Dem/Leftist propaganda effort.
In every single case, the supposed "innocent citizen" is acting in a deliberately provocative manner; failing to cooperate with ICE instructions; blocking traffic; or outright harassing LEOs.
At least every single case that I have seen.
If you can find something to contradict this, please post it.
I have an open mind about these things.
No. of Recommendations: 16
If you can find something to contradict this, please post it.I already posted the video of the guy at the Target, being hauled away, in spite of him telling the officers he is a citizen.
When I was in Junior High, my homeroom teacher had lived in the Netherlands, during the occupation. One day, he talked about the time he and two friends were walking down the street, and some German soldiers came after them. They ran for their lives. One of his friends fell behind, and the Germans caught him. He never saw his friend again.
guy minding his own business, gassing up his car, and a phalanx of SA surround him.
'How do I know you’re a US citizen?' ICE agent confronted by protest after questioning man in MNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0WcLA County landscapers say they were almost taken by ICE despite having documentationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iRe4DDvHiI2 Target employees who are U.S. citizens injured during Richfield arrest, lawmaker sayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_d6O2C4pkThe common denominator in all three cases: the people minding their own business, until they were accosted, were brown. Going by the video, the SA drives around, until they see a brown person, then they go after them.
You may want to argue, that, seeing a phalanx of heavily armed, hostile looking, people, coming at you, you should stand there and submit to whatever they want to do. That is your right. But keep in mind the woman who was arrested on the street for demonstrating against Israel. She was in the US legally. She did not resist. She was flown off to a prison in Louisiana.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 3
Steve,
None of this would even be an issue if these deep blue sanctuary cities and states were cooperating with federal law enforcement and abiding by federal immigration law.
Period.
Plus, any clips you have shown do not show the entire interaction.
ALL of these people simply refused to cooperate and the interaction escalated.
As in ALL of these situations.
No. of Recommendations: 14
if these deep blue sanctuary cities and states were cooperating with federal law enforcement and abiding by federal immigration law.
They are complying with federal law--which the courts have already said they were doing.
Why are you supporting breaking the law by the federal govt?
No. of Recommendations: 8
Plus, any clips you have shown do not show the entire interaction.
ALL of these people simply refused to cooperate and the interaction escalated.Back from running some errands.
Found the material about the snatch from several months ago, that I referenced previously.
Rümeysa Öztürk co-wrote an op-ed piece in the Tufts University student newspaper, criticizing the university's position regarding Israel's conduct in Gaza. The regime has defined any, repeat, any, criticism of Israel as "terrorism". Her student visa was revoked, without notifying her. Days later, ICE agents, in no recognizable official uniform, grabbed her, while she was walking, alone, down the street. She did not resist. She was put into the ICE vehicle, then flown to a prison in Louisiana, where she sat for six weeks, before a judge ordered her release. All for expressing her opinion, peacefully.
Here's the video of her being grabbed off the street.
Tufts student Rümeysa Öztürk detained by immigration authorities. See video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqn2w3wb1SUJudge releases Tufts University student Rumeysa Ozturk who was detained by ICE
U.S. District Judge William Sessions in Burlington released Rumeysa Ozturk pending a final decision on her claim that she's been illegally detained following an op-ed she co-wrote last year that criticized the school's response to Israel's war in Gaza.
Ozturk was one of four students who wrote an op-ed in the campus newspaper, The Tufts Daily, last year criticizing the university's response to student activists demanding that Tufts "acknowledge the Palestinian genocide," disclose its investments and divest from companies with ties to Israel.
A State Department memo said Ozturk's visa was revoked following an assessment that her actions "'may undermine U.S. foreign policy by creating a hostile environment for Jewish students and indicating support for a designated terrorist organization' including co-authoring an op-ed that found common cause with an organization that was later temporarily banned from campus."https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/judge-releas...If they could do it to her, they can do it to you.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 4
Steve, nothing that you posted indicates that ICE acted at all illegally or improperly regarding Ozturk.
In fact, even IF this particular Judge decides that her political activism was not a good enough reason for the State Department to have revoked her visa (unlikely as the Sec. of State has very broad authority to make these kinds of decisions, within his discretion, and they are generally not subject to judicial review), and that decisions survives appeals, that doesn't mean ICE acted improperly. Her visa was revoked, she was therefore subject to immediate arrest and deportation. She probably lied on her visa application and denied that she was going to be present in the U.S. for any other reason than to study.
They can't do it to me because I'm a U.S. born citizen and I don't make a habit of stirring up anti-Semitic hatred and violence against Jewish college students. I'm sure if I started to do things like that, I might very well be subjected to scrutiny and possible civil or criminal legal action, depending on just how big of an anti-Semitic ahole I was acting as.
I know you are one yourself and you can't seem to understand what's wrong with being an anti-Semitic ahole.
However, without actually reading the link posted, has her visa been restored? NOPE.
Has the judge determined that ICE did anything wrong? NOPE.
She's just being permitted to be released pending whatever merits trial may or may not occur in the future.
The problem she is inevitably going to have is probably that demanding a merits trial to oppose her visa revocation and deportation will permit DHS or whoever is opposing her in court to investigate every nook and cranny of her activities while in the U.S. and outside of it back to the date of her birth, plus all of her associates, on campus and off, in the U.S. and outside of it.
All it's really going to take to kick her azz out permanently is anything slightly off-color or threatening or demeaning.
Do you REALLY think someone like that will be able to completely scrub her social media history etc. before the merits hearing? Maybe yes, maybe no.
These kind of anti-Semitic aholes are pure scumbags and just like Mamdani (and yourself for that matter), their disgusting hateful points of view are easily discernable just by looking at their social media.
She's just buying time but odds are (unless she becomes an informant and cooperates with U.S. authorities re: her "contacts"), she's history.
No. of Recommendations: 5
Steve, nothing that you posted indicates that ICE acted at all illegally or improperly regarding Ozturk.
I will go farther than that. I will agree that, in her case, the agents treated her much better than in some other videos being circulated. They even let her call someone to tell them she was being arrested, so those friends could hire legal counsel, to go to court to contest her imprisonment. If she had no-one to call, would she still be sitting in prison, in Louisiana? The issue is *why* her visa was revoked. She did not bomb an ICE office. She did not obstruct ICE officers. She did not do physical harm to anyone. She expressed an opinion, in a newspaper, and, for that, she was deemed a "terrorist".
I would even agree that, of the three videos I posted earlier, the guy gassing up his car was not instantly manhandled. The lead officer took the time to look at the guy's ID, and he can be heard asking the guy "where were you born?". The issue is the guy was minding his own business, gassing up his car. The unmarked SUV full of ICE officers pulled into the gas station, the officers dismounted, and rousted the guy, for no perceptible reason, other than he was brown.
All it's really going to take to kick her azz out permanently is anything slightly off-color or threatening or demeaning.
That puts us back to the Bush #43 junta, where no-one, but a US citizen, has any rights at all, including no right of speech.
They can't do it to me because I'm a U.S. born citizen
Don't bet the bank on citizenship, or white skin, making you safe. If you attract attention, in a way they don't like, you will be set up for something.
Steve
