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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48520 
Subject: Cannon
Date: 04/04/2024 5:29 PM
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There are differences of opinion on Cannon's response to Jack Smith. First Mueller on Smith

Mueller She Wrote on Jack Smith’s response to Cannon
Jack Smith basically says “you’re basing your order on a misinterpretation of a law that has no bearing on this case, and if you think it does you have to tell us now so we can drag your ass to the 11th circuit before double jeopardy attaches, and if you DO try to pull this off at trial, we will seek a writ of mandamus. I’ve written a PROPER jury instruction, and since you ordered me to, I’ve written the erroneous and completely stupid jury instructions you directed us to write.” I’m paraphrasing, of course.
He then rubs it in a little and calls his jury instruction Government’s Proposed Jury Instruction: The Jury Is Correctly Instructed that Unauthorized Possession Is Based on Executive Order 13526, Not on the PRA.
Then when it comes time to write up the jury instructions Cannon asked for, he titles the first one: Scenario (a): The Jury Is Incorrectly Instructed that the Defendant Is Authorized to Possess Any Personal Record, Regardless of Classification, and the Jury Is Then Asked to Determine Whether Each Document Is Personal or Presidential
And he calls the second one: Scenario (b): The Jury Is Incorrectly Instructed that the Defendant Is Authorized to Possess Any Record that He Designated as Personal, and Is Further Incorrectly Instructed that, by Failing to Transfer the Charged Documents to NARA, the Defendant Made the Unreviewable Decision to Designate the Charged Documents as Personal
https://post.news/@/MuellerSheWrote/2eZgj7qcIK8i6W...

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Kyle Cheney
JUST IN: Judge CANNON has rejected Trump's effort to dismiss his Florida charges based on the Presidential Records Act -- but also declined Jack Smith's demand that she reveal her legal thinking on the matter quickly, a demand she called "unjust."
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Leo Kovarsky
What I think we're likely to see now is INSTEAD some sort of motion for recusal, because Cannon has made clear that she's pursuing a course of action allowing her to shut this case down in a posture that is effectively unreviewable.
And DOJ will point to the refusal to declare the PRA instruction as one piece of a larger picture of bias, both real and perceived, that justifies recusal. Cannon will deny the recusal motion, and then Smith will appeal that.
So *that* is the way the refusal to specify the PRA instruction will find its way into an appellate proceeding at CA11, not because Smith "mandamuses" Cannon there on her failure to pre-specify the instructions.
And to be clear, Smith is quite likely to lose all of this. CA11 is unlikely to reassign the case on appeal. And good, practiced attorneys don't move for recusal lightly - contra what many less-practiced folks have suggested in media.

A motion to recuse is a hail mary that antagonizes the judge, making it that much harder to win if you lose the recusal fight. And you almost always lose the recusal fight.
That being said, Smith is certainly looking at Cannon's body language, and the content of this order, and thinking that he's probably got little left to lose. So recusal it will likely be.
This is all very depressing for people that want to see Trump held to account, but I'm just explaining how the world is; not how it should be.

However-----

Neal Katya
Judge Cannon just rejected Trump's bogus Presidential Records Act defense, but only for now. She has (weirdly and pointedly) refused to actually decide the issue, despite Jack Smith's warning that double jeopardy would then apply. I think Smith has no choice but to go to the 11th Circuit on mandamus. It's a tough standard, but it is met here.

Maybe Albaby can comment. :)


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Author: WatchingTheHerd HONORARY
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Number: of 48520 
Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/04/2024 6:56 PM
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What has become clear to me over the tenure of this proceeding in Cannon's court is that our judicial system was designed with up-front checks and balances that were assumed to keep bad (corrupt / incompetent) judges out of the system. Simultaneously, it was designed to MINIMIZE external checks and balances imposed upon active judges under the theory that if the up-front process kept the bad seeds out, the good seeds that got in should be immune from external influences if they were pretty much untouchable. The design of the judicial system did NOT account for the need to REMOVE significant numbers of bad judges from the bench. More importantly, the process included ZERO protections for live cases in the system whose proceedings become evidence of incompetence or corruption of a judge.

What does that mean?

A federal judge is not totally immune from accountability for their actions and decisions on the bench. Their verdicts can be overturned by an appelate court. Under limited circumstances, a federal judge can be removed from a case by a superior court. A federal judge can be impeached -- just like a President -- via majority vote in the US House and convicted by a two-thirds majority in the Senate triggering their removal.

The subtlety behind all of this is that while any particular chain of events might be illustrating the need for this process to occur, the law still prioritizes the rights of DEFENDANTS above the execution of any of these corrective processes against judges in their cases. Specifically what that means is that once a particular defendant begins flowing through the sequence of steps of prosecution being administered by a incompetent / corrupt judge, that defendant's double jeopardy protection begins. It functions in two ways. First, if at any point in the process, the judge dismisses the prosecutor's case WITH PREJUDICE, that case goes away entirely for good and all the charges in the indictment. Even if the judge's decision to dismiss was based upon horribly flawed interpretation of the law or pure corruption, the JUDGE can be subjected to impeachment proceedings to try to eliminate them BUT THAT DISMISSAL STANDS. The defendant is free and can never be prosecuted for those charges in federal court again.

Second, if the proceedings get to the point where a jury panel is convened for the trial, EVEN IF THE TRIAL NEVER BEGINS, and the judge decides to toss out key evidence or again make a ruling about the charges and dismiss them, that decision itself cannot be overturned and the defendant's double jeopardy protection is "attached" and prosecutors cannot start over with a different judge. The defendant goes free and those charges can never be prosecuted again.

That is why Jack Smith has been so cautious in his filings yet why he has become so frustrated.

Smith cannot file motions against what he THINKS Cannon is doing or might do in a future phase. He can only file motions regarding decisions Cannon ACTUALLY MAKES. Normally, no trial judge is asking counsel for defense and prosecution to draft jury instructions before the trial starts. First, instructions should be based upon what was actually presented in the trial so this is a logical twilight zone to begin with. Second, Cannon is actually asking for directions to be drafted according to two competing interpretations of the laws involved in the case, as if the choice of interpretation will be left to the JURY to decide. That's obviously incorrect. The jury doesn't decide on the interpretation of law. They decide whether the facts of the case MEET those described in the crimes being charged. Thirdly, BOTH INTERPRETATIONS Cannnon included in her ask to counsel were completely WRONG.

Smith has reached a point where he believes his initial suspicions about Cannon's modus operandi in this case are now incontrovertably true. At a minimum, Cannon is injecting unnecessary confusion into the proceeding simply for the purpose of delay which aids Trump. Additionally, Cannon understands where those magic danger points are in the entire flow of the proceeding and is attempting to reach one of those magic danger points to make an ACTUAL decision that can impair the government's case beyond repair while reaching a double jeopardy attachment point where the defendants go free and never have to face the charges again.

In effect, Smith is attempting to draw Cannon out to put a CONCRETE decision in writing that he can take to the appelate court to ask for her removal WITHOUT pursing any action that triggers her to dismiss the case with prejudice.

Cannon is trying to do the exact opposite. She is trying to avoid making any administrative decision that could trigger review by her superiour court and trigger her removal from the case. She is also trying to delay the case as much as possible while preserving the ability for the trial to empanel a jury at which point she can make a final decision that irreparably harms the case for prosecutors and shields the defendants via double jeopardy.

As mentioned previously, I think this is one reason prosecutors have NOT charged Trump with the documents related to his show and tell episode at his New Jersey resort. They COULD have been added to this case but doing so risked them being tossed out like the others by Cannon. By keeping those uncharged for now, Smith has preserved the chance to prosecute those charges in New Jersey and avoid any chance of drawing Cannon again.

The current checks and balances are virtually powerless to punish and correct situations where appointed judges are exhibiting this pattern of behavior. And years of intentional footdragging during the Obama Administration created a glut of empty seats on the federal bench which were filled during the Trump Administration, resulting in an outsized number of current federal judges having been appointed by a corrupt Administration partnering with a corrupt Republican bloc in the Senate. This level of toxicity is now distributed throughout the entire federal judiciary. We won't necessarily know it until we need the system to operate properly and find another Cannon sitting in the wrong seat at the wrong time hearing the wrong case.


WTH
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48520 
Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/04/2024 10:21 PM
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Yes, I read over the confusion she caused with the jury instruction request and one source guessed she wanted to use them in the end and point to the instructions saying Jack Smith agreed with her. So Jack wrote them noting they were based on clearly erroneous interpretations of law, and that they need to know the legal in. Not including the dox at the other site might work as a fail safe here. It appears she does want to go till double jeopardy attaches and then dismiss the case or etc.

I'm disheartened that there are judges like Cannon. This case has derailed her. I've read that at least one person refused assignment as her clerk and another quit, making her short clerks and temperamental. We are in danger here. If T gets elected he will pardon Jan 6ers and co-conspirators, strip Civil Service protections and Project 2025 the Government. The chaos won't be felt right away, but will be in force for the next president. It will be like having a government full of Cannons. We can't even get Ukraine funded. And T's doing well now - no sign that any of these cases will do anything even if he's convicted.

Lapse <--- unhappy with all this.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48520 
Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/05/2024 12:12 AM
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We can't even get Ukraine funded.

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It happens, we can't get the border secured either.

There may be a bright spot for Urkraine. If Biden follows through with is threat to cut aid to Israel over Gaza, that frees up money that can then go to Ukraine.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/05/2024 2:25 AM
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If Biden follows through with is threat to cut aid to Israel over Gaza, that frees up money that can then go to Ukraine

I think you are mistaken. It's not because there isn't money. Remember how the Senate Democrats were willing to give up their wants on the border to get Ukraine funded til Trump said no? It's like that. We're willing to deal. Yonder on your side are a bunch of hard line no deal zealots. Trump has made it clear he needs the border unfixed. Remember when Dope came out and said Oh no, they are trying to take away Trump's best issue! It's been no deal on the Ukraine issue for three months. Johnson may make a deal but he could lose his Speakership over that deal. It's not a matter of money, it's finding the willingness behind the right deal.
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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
Number: of 48520 
Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/05/2024 5:17 PM
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it appears cannon will get trump off the hook AND keep her job w/out any major sanctions, regardless of whether trump get re-elected.

maybe she is smarter than she appears, in that causing\accepting dependent delays is a low risk advantage for both her and the defendant.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/05/2024 11:42 PM
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it appears cannon will get trump off the hook AND keep her job w/out any major sanctions, regardless of whether trump get re-elected.

maybe she is smarter than she appears, in that causing\accepting dependent delays is a low risk advantage for both her and the defendant.


And... if Trump gets reelected and a position on the Supreme Court comes open...
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/05/2024 11:53 PM
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And... if Trump gets reelected and a position on the Supreme Court comes open... - Lapsody

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What do you mean "if" a position opens up.

Given what your side says about his second term, he will simply "disappear" a justice whenever he wants an opening.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/06/2024 2:39 AM
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Given what your side says about his second term, he will simply "disappear" a justice whenever he wants an opening.

Nahh, he's limited. It's y'all that think he's green lantern.
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Author: Umm 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/06/2024 7:25 PM
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"Given what your side says about his second term, he will simply "disappear" a justice whenever he wants an opening."

Our side?

I know you are not that well informed, but did you realize that Trump's lawyers have argued in court that the President can use Seal Team 6 without there being any legal consequences to himself.

You don't have to listen to our side. Just pay attention to what Trump is saying. Stop ignoring that which you find inconvenient.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48520 
Subject: Re: Cannon
Date: 04/06/2024 7:55 PM
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"Given what your side says about his second term, he will simply "disappear" a justice whenever he wants an opening."

Our side?

I know you are not that well informed, but did you realize that Trump's lawyers have argued in court that the President can use Seal Team 6 without there being any legal consequences to himself.

You don't have to listen to our side. Just pay attention to what Trump is saying. Stop ignoring that which you find inconvenient. - Umm


That is unfair criticism...

Lapsody was asserting that if Judge Cannon treats Trump favorably, then he may reward her IF a SCOTUS position becomes available....

I was agreeing with him adding that, given what we know about Trump in a second term, he will assassinate a justice to create an opening if he wants one.

I do know Trump's evil intent, I watch the news, not just biased Fox News, but real mainstream News often referenced by liberals for truthiness. Here, for example:

https://rumble.com/v4ngwcz-mainstream-freaking-out...



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