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Was it really policy?


But wait - even Meloni has 55% disapproval ratings.


Could it be.....when someone said: Bad culture. Departure from cultural norms and family structures. Digital culture run amok, Multiculturalism run amok.

Could it be that?

Naaaaaaah to teh Sheeple. no way. There must be some other "link" to explain away why it's the same thing----almost everywhere.

It's interesting you mention "multiculturalism". IMO, the opposite of that ("monoculturalism"?) could be equated to tribalism. Which you rant about frequently.

So, tribalism is bad, but multiculturalism is also bad? There aren't really any other alternatives that I can see. You gotta pick one.

Other nations have more problems with multiculturalism because they are NOT nations of immigrants**. In the USA, we have absorbed people from all over the world. The white supremacists like pretend it isn't so, but it is. Even they came from Europe.



**Anecdote: in grad school, our coalition included a few Irish universities. So we had students travel to Arizona to work on our project (gamma ray detection). One such student had never seen a black person in person. She was in her twenties, and had never seen an actual black person. I have encountered black people my entire life, from at least elementary school.

Call it 'rants' all you want. Go to "white supremacy" all you like. Who knows- in Europe you might be right after all, they've killed and enslaved more non whites since they came on earth and butchered humanity and they still need to be paid back dont they )

Cradles of Western Democracies---"Enlightened" European countries - in some cases---might be having 4 Prime Ministers in 4 years.

I'm not ranting.

I'm cheering.

It's great that your grad school overrides the REAL trends and election results in countries in all corners of the world ;)
Tribalism is bad.

I also said "multiculturalism run amok"----you forgot that last part. Multiculturalism when the many become one? I was all for.

Now I'm for this. Tribalism. Fear. Dysfunction not just in households ---but in democratic governments.

I'm getting my way.

Thanks

It's great that your grad school overrides the REAL trends and election results in countries in all corners of the world

Not my point. My point was that the US is more multicultural. In grade school I encountered all sorts of people, and that has continued my entire life. This very bright Irish doctoral candidate had gone more than 20 years without ever seeing a non-white.

I also said "multiculturalism run amok"

Can you expand on that? What is "run amok"?

America has worked because while we're a nation of immigrants, we all shared a number of cultural elements in common.

In the UK? Germany? They're importing people who are bringing their culture with them and insisting that the new host country adopt it.

Why that's hard for the American left to understand, I don't know.

Why that's hard for the American left to understand, I don't know.

They also bring their culture here. IMO, because we are a nation of immigrants, we are -relatively- adept at absorbing their cultures. Our culture, such as it is, is an amalgamation of LOTS of cultures. It was hard won, too. Even white folks had difficulties long ago (e.g. the Irish, later the Italians). But we seem to absorb pretty well.

Germany, England, France, Sweden...they don't have the -literally- centuries of practice that we have.

They also bring their culture here. IMO, because we are a nation of immigrants, we are -relatively- adept at absorbing their cultures. Our culture, such as it is, is an amalgamation of LOTS of cultures. It was hard won, too. Even white folks had difficulties long ago (e.g. the Irish, later the Italians). But we seem to absorb pretty well.

Germany, England, France, Sweden...they don't have the -literally- centuries of practice that we have.

The difference is that immigrants to the US melted their culture in with the existing one, creating the America we have today. Everyone adapted. People came to the USA to become...Americans. One can quibble about hyphens but at the end of the day it's always "-American".

That's the model that works. The definition of "American" is actually quite simple: strongly independent. High work ethic. Love of family, love of nation. That's pretty much it and everything else is a detail.

But that's not what's happening in Europe right now. A lot of the people immigrating there have zero intention of becoming Danes or Germans or Brits. That's the problem. The "elites" in Brussels, London, Berlin and elsewhere think they're doing their nations a favor while ignoring a LOT of problems that are being imported with them.

Do you believe that you should have the right to say whatever you want about a religious figure any time you want? Or do you think that certain religious figures are off limits and that people should be punished for possibly offending others?

The difference is that immigrants to the US melted their culture in with the existing one, creating the America we have today. Everyone adapted. People came to the USA to become...Americans. One can quibble about hyphens but at the end of the day it's always "-American".

I think this is a very ahistorical misrepresentation of what happened with successive waves of immigration to the U.S. For example, the Germans - who you cited above - very much did not "melt their culture with the existing one" when they arrived. The really big waves of German immigration lasted just under a century, starting in the 1820's and peaking in the 1880's, and they were for decades the largest group of non-English speaking residents in the U.S. and accounting for nearly 10% of the total population by 1900.

And they weren't just becoming....Americans. They lived in "Kleinedeutschlands" all across the U.S., almost entirely retained their own language, had German-language schools and newspapers and other community institutions that they maintained to a great degree. They changed American culture as well, which is why we have things like Christmas trees and kindergartens and things can be as American as "hot dogs." Etc.

It wasn't until the Great War, when American started hating and persecuting German people, that this changed. Only when people started to discriminate against Germans just for being who they were did they feel that they had to hide that, and start abandoning German language and cultural markers. Not because they were any innately prone to "melting" into the culture than modern immigrants (they weren't), or because they wanted more to give up their heritage (they didn't) - because they were being persecuted and had the ability to hide because they weren't ethnically distinct from "real" Americans.

The same is true of a lot of the other immigrant groups. No one at the time thought that groups like the Irish or the Italians had the same culture or values as good ol' fashioned 'Mericans. They were also groups that were foreign, alien, had cultures and practices that were too different from true American culture to be accepted into our society - and which formed their own neighborhoods and societies and institutions and schools and were isolated from mainstream America until persecution and lack of access to economic participation forced many of them to give up (under that duress) their culture.

Here's a neat trick for looking at it: for everything you see in Western Europe having issues with Muslims, the historical equivalent here is Americans having issues with Catholics - an alien and foreign religious group with such divergent values and cultural practices (to say nothing of linguistic differences) that they will cause nothing but trouble if we let them in. Funny how history rhymes, and love the irony of a Buchanan or a Tancredo leading the charge against the immigrant problem...

Can you expand on that? What is "run amok"?

Let me give you the straight answer that a Jedi in sheep's clothing won't face.

"Multiculturalism run amok" is when it gets in the way of his tribe's bigotry.

In a way its one of the defining characteristics of the MAGA movement. It's the inability to see other races and other cultures being just as valid as white, male-dominated, Christianity. It's the fear that being accepting of other races, other cultures, other ways of life, somehow diminishes their own race, their own culture, their own way of life. They fear that they have to stop being themselves if they accept someone who is somehow different.

Some might accept a black person, but only if that black person doesn't talk about slavery and racism in the USA. Others might accept a person of Hispanic origin, but only if they speak English without an accent and don't talk about the Roman Catholic faith. They might accept an Asian who eschews their Asian background. They'll accept people who are from other cultures, but only if they give up their historic culture and become like the white, male-dominated, Christians who they are used to being around.

--Peter

It's not just America..... who booted Biden - despite some great numbers . Not all - but some. Now they aren't happy under Trump.

It's not just Starmer -- possibly the FOURTH Prime Minister in 4 years in the UK.

It's not just Meloni ---- (Rightie)----with 55% disapproval in Italy.

Even teh Germanys ---one of Europe'a greatest gifts to the world --- (lol)-----



https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-friedrich-...



"Merz’s comeback tour descends into shambles
The chancellor’s attempts to revive his flagging popularity are backfiring."

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"TRUMP!" doesn't run those nations. Please --- keep ignoring culture decay. Family structure decay. Lack of civics heritage and understanding. Digital culture run amok. Multiculturalism run amok. Don't even give it 10% consideration. "Pass a plan". ""pass a law" "boycott" something --it's all working great so far.

Oh, let's make sure in coming years Europe spends more on defense. Let's see---does that mean higher taxes on Europeans? Cuts to benefits and healthcare? Longer working years? *Giggle* - I promise I'll deliver on all three.

Please - keep the closed minds closed---and absolutist.

The difference is that immigrants to the US melted their culture in with the existing one, creating the America we have today. Everyone adapted. People came to the USA to become...Americans. One can quibble about hyphens but at the end of the day it's always "-American"

Of course. That’s why there’s a Chinatown in almost every major city. Why LA has a Koreatown. Why Little Havana is such a big part of Miami. Why New York has a “Little Italy”. The Chamber of Commerce of those areas doubtless assigned those names so Real Americans™ could stop in and help them speak their English gooder.

My folks lived around Lancaster Pennsylvania, where German is still spoken in many stores and places more than 100 years later. In Chicago we had Polish cleaning ladies, who knew only a few words of English: “Mrs.” and “cash”. Mrs. Goofy comes from outside Philadelphia, where there is a suburb called “Germantown” where lots of people still speak, uh, German.

If you’d like a list of areas where your theory isn’t working, wikipedia has an pretty extensive one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_encla...

I think this is a very I think this is a very ahistorical misrepresentation ahistorical misrepresentation

Erm, okay.

For example, the Germans - who you cited above - very much did not "melt their culture with the existing one" when they arrived. The really big waves of German immigration lasted just under a century, starting in the 1820's and peaking in the 1880's, and they were for decades the largest group of non-English speaking residents in the U.S. and accounting for nearly 10% of the total population by 1900.

LOL. Part of my family came over from Germany in the 1800's and immediately changed their names to blend in. How's that not assimilating?


At any rate, the point is being missed.

Here's a neat trick for looking at it: for everything you see in Western Europe having issues with Muslims, the historical equivalent here is Americans having issues with Catholics - an alien and foreign religious group with such divergent values and cultural practices (to say nothing of linguistic differences) that they will cause nothing but trouble if we let them in. Funny how history rhymes, and love the irony of a Buchanan or a Tancredo leading the charge against the immigrant problem...

Again, missing the point, which was "What about the UK caused Reform to do so well in the council elections?" Excellent distraction attempt, though.

"TRUMP!" doesn't run those nations. Please --- keep ignoring culture decay. Family structure decay. Lack of civics heritage and understanding. Digital culture run amok. Multiculturalism run amok. Don't even give it 10% consideration. "Pass a plan". ""pass a law" "boycott" something --it's all working great so far.

They just can't.

When you live in the bubbles that they live in and only absorb the curated world views that they do - AND you subscribe to the High Church of Progressivism that they all belong to - you get the posts you're getting in this thread.

The High Church of Progressivism has Commandments, too, you know. One of them is Thou Shalt Not Ever Question the High Church. Another is Thou Shalt Never Criticize the High Church.

It's all very...Soviet...of them. Back in the day if a road went unfixed for 10 years you weren't supposed to say, "Hey, that road needs to be fixed and it's been 10 years" because if you did you were

a) Criticizing the state (see that 2nd commandment)
b) Questioning why the state hadn't fixed the road (1st Commandment)

...and by doing so, you were questioning the very legitimacy of the state itself. Since the Soviets didn't take too well to criticism eventually nobody ever complained.

So it is with today's libs. With the road example you'd have to pretend that the road was supposed to have a sink hole in the middle of it. In the context of this thread the left pretends that the r@pe gangs in the UK don't exist and that you won't be arrested for making jokes on Facebook. They just can't face what their movement is and the damage it's done writ large around the world. It's much easier to just claim that everybody else is a racist.

As such Labour and Labour-lite (the Tories) got pasted last week. Listening to Keir Starmer it sounds like he wants to take his entire party down with him. Good riddance. May the democrats here suffer the same fate.

Part of my family came over from Germany in the 1800's and immediately changed their names to blend in. How's that not assimilating?

It is. And there are plenty of individual instances of that happening, both historically in the 1800's in the U.S. and throughout Europe.

But that's not what we saw in this country across the population. Instead, the Germans (and the Irish and the Italians and all the other prior waves of immigrants) held fast to their language and tradition and religion, forming ethnic enclaves and setting up all sorts of institutions to preserve their particular identity. The exact same thing that modern critics excoriate as unworkable in the European context (or the modern American context). It happened here, too.

Again, missing the point, which was "What about the UK caused Reform to do so well in the council elections?"

I was responding to your claim that America was different - that our waves of immigration involved people who were choosing to forego their linguistic and culturally identity. That "immigrants to the US melted their culture in with the existing one, creating the America we have today. Everyone adapted. People came to the USA to become...Americans." That's not what happened here.

That's not a distraction from your point. I have no doubt that anger about immigration may have played a part in Labour's losses. As with Europe today, large waves of immigrants here in the U.S. also caused political upheavals, caused political parties to win and lose elections, etc. Native dissatisfaction with large numbers of immigrants is an important and significant political factor.

But I think you're wrong in suggesting that things were different here - that our successive large waves of European immigrants somehow conducted themselves differently, that they came to this country in order to become Americans in ways that current migrants to European are not intending to become Germans or Danes. That's an ahistorical and incorrect view of our past.

"And don't forget, all of today’s immigrants are coming from shit-hole countries that are governed by corrupt, rapists and thieves!" ~Donald Trump

But I think you're wrong in suggesting that things were different here - that our successive large waves of European immigrants somehow conducted themselves differently, that they came to this country in order to become Americans in ways that current migrants to European are not intending to become Germans or Danes. That's an ahistorical and incorrect view of our past.

It’s a fairly established trope that immigrants tend to group together in their own ethnic enclave for support, commonality of language, customs, religion and so on during their generation, that their sons and daughters begin to assimilate as they learn English and intermix with others of varying cultures, and by the third generation tend to be “fully” assimilated.

There are lots of exceptions of course; Hasidic Jews in New York are an obvious example, but it’s true for almost every ethnic group, sociologists have found.

AI Overview

Yes, new immigrants frequently cluster together upon arrival, and historically, this has been followed by a long-term process of spatial and social assimilation that often peaks by the third generation.

While the "three-generation rule" suggests that the first generation retains the native culture, the second breaks away to adopt the new language/customs, and the third becomes fully assimilated, modern studies show this path is often "bumpy" rather than a straight line.

Original Spelling: While "Drumpf" is often cited, some records indicate early family names included Drumpft or Trumpf.

Name Change: Friedrich Trump (born 1869) left Germany to avoid mandatory military service and to seek better economic prospects in the United States, changing his name from the German spelling upon immigration.

Spankee did the same *without* leaving the country. Our loss.

Digital culture run amok. Multiculturalism run amok. Don't even give it 10% consideration.

It's difficult to consider it when it hasn't been defined. Unless you accept the definition of the other poster, which I assume you don't. So, please define terms so we can comment with a similar understanding of what we're talking about.

LOL. Part of my family came over from Germany in the 1800's and immediately changed their names to blend in. How's that not assimilating?

My mother's ancestors came over in the late 1800s. 1poormom was born in 1933. She grew up speaking German. She was fluent until WWII. She told me that they stopped speaking German pretty much instantly when Germany declared war on us. And they never spoke it again.

Not doubting your anecdote, just commenting that it wasn't universal. My family (mostly German on my mom's side) very much wanted to blend while retaining their language and culture. Oh...and they didn't change their names.

Yes, ethnic enclaves. Being married to a Filipina, I know that Filipino families (as well as mixed, like us) want their kids to be at least bilingual (Tagalog and English). English to make coping in our society easier, but Tagalog to hold their heritage.

And, yet, our society absorbs elements of their culture. In addition to your examples of Xmas trees, we have St Patrick's Day (Irish) and Cinco de Mayo (Mexican). In the Southwest, Hispanic culture is everywhere. I can't speak for places like Seattle (where Dope lives). But here, there are not-Taco-Bell Mexican restaurants everywhere, groceries routinely stock a plethora of chiles (serranos, guajillos, etc), Cinco de Mayo and Dia de los Muertos are moderately "big" here, etc. And it helps to speak a little Spanish if you live here.

Replying to Dope1


[Actually I'm "replying" to whatever Einstein you were trying to educate]

Here's a neat trick for looking at it: for everything you see in Western Europe having issues with Muslims, the historical equivalent here is Americans having issues with Catholics - an alien and foreign religious group with such divergent values and cultural practices (to say nothing of linguistic differences) that they will cause nothing but trouble if we let them in. Funny how history rhymes, and love the irony of a Buchanan or a Tancredo leading the charge against the immigrant problem...

Again, missing the point, which was "What about the UK caused Reform to do so well in the council elections?" Excellent distraction attempt, though.

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Yup, the dude you were responding to as well as most radical leftists and anti-semites posting here, makes it their business to "miss the point."

I only want to add that I don't recall any historical occurrences of roving bands of immigrant Catholic Rape Gangs. Americans who had "issues" with Catholics were primarily motivated by religious, ethnic, and social class prejudice.

But sure--Muslim roving Rape Gangs are totally equivalent to the history of Catholic immigration to the U.S.

Dope1, where do you find these numskulls???

Sorry Dope1, I didn't see you have already mentioned those "Catholic-equivalent" roving Muslim rape gangs.

Well, it bears repeating to the numnutz leftist crowd here.

Sorry Dope1, I didn't see you have already mentioned those "Catholic-equivalent" roving Muslim rape gangs.


There are a number of subjects they just won't engage on. It's the fact of life on this board - Thou Shalt Never Question or Criticize the Church of Progressivism.

No matter how much damage it does.

I have no doubt that anger about immigration may have played a part in Labour's losses.

Well, still trying to rationalize how this charming individual got elected instead.

Glenn Gibbins, candidate of the Reform UK, who said that Nigerians should be melted down to ‘fill in pot holes’, has won a councillorship seat.

https://www.thecable.ng/uk-politician-who-said-nig...

I have no doubt that anger about immigration may have played a part in Labour's losses.
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Not sure who said that, and I don't care enough about Western Democracies to put in the work to click to see for myself.

BUT it's not just "immigration" which is what these link-obsessed mechanical Americans who refuse to think differently don't realize. Their political correctness, cultural ignorance, and insular thinking needs to be shoved up their organic kale eating asses.

YEE there will always be people who can't stand anyone not white and when it's all white -they'll hate different denominations, etc. BUT that's not enough of a force to cause such mayhem politically. Immigration has been around MANY DECADES before things like this----and people of non-white ancestry are KILLING IT in the UK for a long time now -----the non whites crushing it in UK and the USA -- well, to an extendt they have 1950s American and Western Values and family structures---and they have risen as a result.

So there's jealousy. But again - said jealousy has always been there.

What's happened is a bunch of factors at the same time that has turned fringe bigotry---into critical mass.

Culture breakdown: Many natives from UK to USA - divorce rates exploded. Births out of wedlock rampant. Anything from alcohol to goddamn sports became more important than studying. The old do or die spirit became "waaaaa my PTO". And for the ones who are well intentioned---it was hard to get ahead on one income and the kid in daycare.

Then came "free trade" where some benefitted but many were displaced. Many times the fella who could support a family out of high school......saw himself slowly become a substandard wage earner along with his Wife.

Then came -- not just lack of assimilation by newcomers but an attitude that natives from UK to America - had to assimilate to the newcomers with customs, language, whatever.

So you took prejudices that were there in humans already-----then fucked with their finances------then fucked their family structures----whic fucked their finances even more------then you made them feel demure and apologetic while *some* immigrants were unapologetic and aggressive culturally.........THEN you people wonder why huge swaths of your countries---gravitate to MAGA in America or AFD in Germany or Meloni in Italy.

In the mean time your dumb-fuck schools rob them of critical thinking skills and then you bury their faces in digital culture run amok - be it their fucked smartphones or social media----which allows them to truly insult themselves into socioeconomic silos of incest amongst themselves where its en echo chamber.

And it becomes literally their identity.

Their caste. (yes, wait, even you idiots will realize it one day that it's becoming real)

Oh and these divisions----are exploited from outside. The Europeans did it to Asian and Arabic countries.

Now, anyone from Putin to Bibi to XI is doing it to the West.

And you people won't even consider any of this for a few minutes.

Wel, keep getting what you deserve. Eventually - the 401K won't mean shit. Give it time ;)

No worries.

I have defined it.

But - the train has left the station.

I'd rather just keep enjoying the results.

Which - in real time - -are all around us ;)

I just have to be patient - - the more 'substantive' results -- are still a while off.

But the damage is now visible for even the most insulated 401K'er not to see.

From Paris to DC to London to Tel Aviv.

Game on.....

White Corportists toting 401K - armed with link - - understand immigrants.

Ok. :)

Sorry Dope1, I didn't see you have already mentioned those "Catholic-equivalent" roving Muslim rape gangs. ~marco000, pedophile advocate

It’s fascinating how the MAGA hive mind always gets its daily programming from their mind lords...
Seamless syncing from the overlords, zero lag!

It’s fascinating how the MAGA hive mind always gets its daily programming from their mind lords...
Seamless syncing from the overlords, zero lag!

A characteristic of the MAGA mind: the inability to think rationally for themselves. FOX et al will tell them what to believe. So easy.

Funny how Trump participated in a rape gang, but since it was a high dollar rape gang that recruited and groomed young girls at Mara Lago- that seems to be ok with them.

But “Muslim Rape Gangs in Europe” is their battle cry.

You just can’t make it up.

Funny how Trump participated in a rape gang, but since it was a high dollar rape gang that recruited and groomed young girls at Mara Lago- that seems to be ok with them.

But it's different. They groomed them first, then molested them genteelly. So different, don't you see?

But it's different. They groomed them first, then molested them genteelly. So different, don't you see?

Those who were murdered and buried on an Epstein ranch in New Mexico would like you to define “genteelly”.

unny how Trump participated in a rape gang, but since it was a high dollar rape gang that recruited and groomed young girls at Mara Lago- that seems to be ok with them.

But it's different. They groomed them first, then molested them genteelly. So different, don't you see?
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Whole thing is disgusting and it's a shame - people in the Ruling Class won't get busted in "America"

One wonders how they did this grooming.

I never was, and never will be some lady's man but the few girls I did ok with in my high-school years----I had to call their home. The Mom or (shit) the Dad would say "Who is calling" and I'd of course have to make polite talk with Mrs Rivers about the science test and how my Mom is doing. And Mrs Rivers sort of knew where we were going and what time we'd get back.

Dunno how me or the girl----could've had the time away from home to "be groomed" by Epstein.....

But then again. CULTURE. was a bit different.

Or maybe just luck but I still can't imagine me, my sister, my cousins whom are CEOs and CFOs today, or any one in my high school social circle---even being gone for 18 hours without parents asking questions at very least.

CULTURE.....

It's gonna get you people.

And you deserve the fiscal suffering and the other "breaking news' it seems to bring with it.

Sorry Dopey1, I didn't see you have already mentioned those "Catholic-equivalent" roving Muslim rape gangs. ~marco000, pedophile protector

Reminder: Trumps DOJ is now 146 days overdue in releasing the Epstein files...

"Happy Birthday Jeffrey — and may every day be another wonderful secret." ~Trump

"A US District Judge has now formally held, in a lengthy written opinion, that it is perfectly appropriate, and, indeed, entirely accurate, to call Donald Trump a rapist."
https://newrepublic.com/post/174448/judge-e-jean-c...

"Show us the Epstein list now!!! Why would anyone protect these scumbags?!
Ask yourself this question daily and the answer becomes very apparent!!" ~Don Trump JR, 07/08/23

CULTURE.....

It's gonna get you people.

No one shall question the Church of Progressivism. No matter how high the stack of bodies gets.

One wonders how they did this grooming.

In the UK "that's what white girls are for" <--- this is what the victims were told.
I've now given up on discussing anything of substance here. No one is up for it; they'll say they are but then avoid anything other that criticizing the US in some way. Waste of time.

I've now given up on discussing anything of substance here.

You’ve given up?

You’ve led the charge of not discussing anything of substance here.

You’ve defended Trump 100% of the time, regardless of the fact that he, with support from his obsequious Republicans, have corrupted our country, our moral standards, our norms, our institutions, and our Constitution. Only so he could grift billions of dollars. He cares not a whit about our country or its citizens.

So spare us your crocodile tears.

I've now given up on discussing anything of substance here. No one is up for it ~TheDope

Ah yes...
Dope is combining many old classic:
Poisoning the Well + Ad Hominem + Shifting the Burden of Proof + Sour Grapes.
"I would prove my point that Trump is a fine president with hard data, but since nobody here understands anything, what's the point?" ~Dope1

Of course attacking the quality of the room really doesn't address Dopes inability to defend his hero Trump.

In the UK "that's what white girls are for" <--- this is what the victims were told.
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Don't repeat this in the future. Within a decade----I won't be able to disagree with that statement and win the argument.

I've now given up on discussing anything of substance here.

Listen to the OLD FART liberals here. They love writing about their fantasies and apply them to President Trump.
Yep, a bunch of old geezers with their minds in the sewer.
They are disgusting.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Bd115d2hP/?mibex...

I've now given up on discussing anything of substance here. Dope1

Yes, I too miss the old days of substantial discussions like Obama's suit or Hillary's emails, or Hunter's laptop or Kamala's laugh or Bill's BJ or the trans kid playing on the Mahjong team!

Yes, I too miss the old days of substantial discussions like Obama's suit or Hillary's emails, or Hunter's laptop or Kamala's laugh or Bill's BJ or the trans kid playing on the Mahjong team!

They were all actual happenings and yeah, something to laugh at, not the lefties here and their sexual fantasies.
It’s the only thrill they have anymore in their twilight years talking about President Trump.

GO ICE!

Listen to the OLD FART liberals here. They love writing about their fantasies and apply them to President Trump.
Yep, a bunch of old geezers with their minds in the sewer.

I don't know, LM - you certainly exhibited a fair amount of lurid fascination with tales about Joe Biden and his alleged depravities, back in the day. Perhaps if you thought back about what led you to repeatedly bring up his purported lasciviousness time and again, it might give you a better understanding of why Trump is constantly called out. I suspect you didn't regard your own continued discussion of those topics back then as having been motivated by your own fantasies, rather than genuinely felt criticism of a public figure....

I don't know, LM - you certainly exhibited a fair amount of lurid fascination with tales about Joe Biden and his alleged depravities, back in the day. Perhaps if you thought back about what led you to repeatedly bring up his purported lasciviousness time and again, it might give you a better understanding of why Trump is constantly called out. I suspect you didn't regard your own continued discussion of those topics back then as having been motivated by your own fantasies, rather than genuinely felt criticism of a public figure....

There are dozens of pictures of Biden fondling young girls and sniffing on women,
yet I have not seen one picture Trump doing the same except for standing next to a pretty women.

Perhaps you can can up with a picture of Trump sniffing on a women or fondling little girls
in your defense of Biden.

There are dozens of pictures of Biden fondling young girls and sniffing on women,
yet I have not seen one picture Trump doing the same except for standing next to a pretty women.

Perhaps you can can up with a picture of Trump sniffing on a women or fondling little girls
in your defense of Biden.

I wasn't defending Biden. I was pointing out that if someone expresses disgust at accusations of sexual impropriety against a public figure, it doesn't mean they're indulging in their sexual fantasies. You like to claim that about posters who note Trump's sexual improprieties, rather than accept the possibility that they're raising those issues because they genuinely believe that Trump is a bad person, and not that they're indulging in personal prurient interest. Again, if you ask yourself what led you to frequently post sexual accusations against Biden, you might recognize that such criticisms do not stem from personal fantasies....

There are dozens of pictures of Biden fondling young girls and sniffing on women,

Then there was the time Bush #43 gave an unsolicited neck rub to Chancellor Merkel.

Bush, Merkel, and the quickie neck rub

https://whosane.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/bush-merk...

Where does the US keep finding these people, to elect POTUS?

Steve

Again, if you ask yourself what led you to frequently post sexual accusations against Biden, you might recognize that such criticisms do not stem from personal fantasies....

Are you daff?
Just look at this thread..the same left wing posters brought their up their fantasy’s of
President Trump. This thread started out with a good give and take discussion until
that H/S poster decided to bring up Trump and his rape fantasies of President Trump,
then the thread went downhill from there.

Then there was the time Bush #43 gave an unsolicited neck rub to Chancellor Merkel.

Per your article,
Chancellor Merkel showed facial discomfort at P Bush touching her.
She had every right to feel uncomfortable with Bush
massaging her neck.

I did not see a cigar in his hand though.

There are dozens of pictures of Biden fondling young girls and sniffing on women,

It doesn't matter. This is another deflection attempt meant to paint the starting point for left wing bad behavior at Trump's 2nd term. Never mind the previous left wing bad behavior.

It's like if someone walks up and punches you in the nose and in retaliation you shove them away from you. You're the bad guy in that scenario.

It doesn't matter. This is another deflection attempt meant to paint the starting point for left wing bad behavior at Trump's 2nd term. Never mind the previous left wing bad behavior.

Except in the case of Trump, we have witnesses, depositions, successfully argued lawsuits, and convictions.

All the right has are photographs of (perhaps) overly eager affection. But no parent has said “Biden tried to fondle my daughter”, let alone rape her.

With Trump, it’s hard evidence of a lifetime spent abusing others- raping them sexually, raping them financially, and screwing the country.

A pattern that everyone in the world sees clearly and unambiguously- except for those who shut their eyes and look away.

Except in the case of Trump, we have witnesses, depositions, successfully argued lawsuits, and conviction

Right, you have victims who can barely remember the decade something was alleged to have happened, prosecutors willing to make up things and juries willing to convict for literally no hard evidence. Of anything.

It's a perversion of justice all the way around. By the way, go check up on E. Jean Carroll. Hope she hasn't spent her money in advance.

One day a democrat is going to get this treatment and this board will melt down.

Right, you have victims who can barely remember the decade something was alleged to have happened, prosecutors willing to make up things and juries willing to convict for literally no hard evidence. Of anything.

As I said- some people close their eyes and look away.

Instead, the Germans (and the Irish and the Italians and all the other prior waves of immigrants) held fast to their language and tradition and religion, forming ethnic enclaves and setting up all sorts of institutions to preserve their particular identity.

Dope should read up on Benjamin Franklin's criticisms of the assimilation of the German's to American culture. Many German's didn't change their names. They announced their names, we couldn't pronounce it, so it was changed for them.

As I said- some people close their eyes and look awa

That's the left projecting their guilt from covering up for Bill Clinton.

At any rate. None of these distracting posts change the fact that Labour got its a$$ handed to it the other day and that trend is going to continue.

That's the left projecting their guilt from covering up for Bill Clinton.
<— that’s Dope reaching deep into his nether regions for a deflection.

"It doesn't matter. This is another deflection attempt meant to paint the starting point for left wing bad behavior at Trump's 2nd term. Never mind the previous left wing bad behavior.

It's like if someone walks up and punches you in the nose and in retaliation you shove them away from you. You're the bad guy in that scenario." - Dumbass Dope

Dumbass,

One of the reasons you are literally laughed at so often is your seemingly bottomless ability to ignore your own actions while projecting them on to your opponents.

Thanks again for the laughs.

Right, you have victims who can barely remember the decade something was alleged to have happened, prosecutors willing to make up things and juries willing to convict for literally no hard evidence. Of anything.

Over the decades, and LONG before there was anything political about it, more than two dozen women accused Trump of sexual misconduct of one sort or another. DOZENS. He had complaints from beauty pageant contestants, campaign staff, and others. He has been RECORDED saying he’s done it. He has BRAGGED about it.

But in Dope world, “Nothing to see here. Now let’s talk about Hunter Biden’s laptop.”

No one is up for it; they'll say they are but then avoid anything other that(sic) criticizing the US in some way. Waste of time. ~Dope1, pedophile advocate and ballmaxxer

I know, I hate when people criticize America, total waste of time...

Trump: "President Xi said America is a nation in decline. And I said, 'You're right.'"

Trump: "The idea of American Greatness, of our country as the leader of the free and unfree world, has vanished."

Trump: "A year ago our country was an embarrassment and was a source of laughter globally. Now we are the hottest country!"

Trump: "The US Gov't is on the hook for more than a third of the world's entire debt & we wonder why China & OPEC are laughing all the way to the bank!"

Trump: "There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?"

Trump: "Our roads and bridges are falling apart, our airports are in third-world condition!"

Trump: "We’re like a garbage can, you know, every time I come up and talk about what they’ve done to our country, I get angry, it’s a very accurate description."

Trump: "Our country is very divided. The political system is broken."

Trump: "I've got Black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes.
Besides that, I've got to tell you something else. I think that the guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in Blacks."

Besides that, I've got to tell you something else. I think that the guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in Blacks."

And MAGA cheers what they like to call "the greatest President this country has ever had!"

The difference is that immigrants to the US melted their culture in with the existing one, creating the America we have today. Everyone adapted. People came to the USA to become...Americans. One can quibble about hyphens but at the end of the day it's always "-American".

That's the model that works.

Other than it's simplistic with a little fantasy mixed in, it works. I doubt if the Puritans came over to become Americans, or the debtors in Georgia. I think the land, available wood, congestion in Europe, religious differences, and opportunity were some of the motivators. Probably the earliest example of 'blending right in' were the Quebec and Montreal French where a chunk of them lived with the Indians.

We have generalisms - "The third generation is Americanized", which doesn't hold true in many cases and we make some cases tourist spots. In the 1940s German was the second most spoken language in the USA.

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