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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Krugman Nails It
Date: 11/15/2024 10:24 PM
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Krugman Nails It
Date: 11/15/2024 11:02 PM
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NOSTALGIA! THANKS!

Many Libs used to say it but remember Skybluewater? It was his thing the most :)
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Krugman Nails It
Date: 11/16/2024 1:51 PM
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That still doesn't tell me why white women voted for Trump. I asked the Dems at the Grow Fest today - a woman said they were afraid of their husbands. I responded, but they voted for Biden, so why not Kamala? Do I detect some bigotry there? Response- may be. So what is it?
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Subject: Re: Krugman Nails It
Date: 11/16/2024 2:41 PM
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I would hope it's not true, but it probably is: women don't seem to trust other women in positions of power. So they don't vote for them. Offhand, I can't think of a single woman (in either party) that has beaten a man when running for office. I'm sure there are. I just can't think of any. Even in AZ, we have a woman governor who ran against another woman. But a Dem man defeated a Rep woman for Senate, even though the Rep women was a rabid Trumpie (and the convict took AZ). The margin was fairly tight (about 3%). I'm wondering if the Dems had run a woman for that position if the outcome would have been different. Fortunately, we have a sane senator in Gallego.

I've read that there is that bias of women not voting for women, though it never made sense to me. Seems US-specific since most other first world nations have had women presidents/prime-ministers.
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Subject: Re: Krugman Nails It
Date: 11/16/2024 2:55 PM
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That still doesn't tell me why white women voted for Trump. I asked the Dems at the Grow Fest today - a woman said they were afraid of their husbands. I responded, but they voted for Biden, so why not Kamala?

They didn't vote for Biden any more than they voted for Harris. Biden won 44% of the white female vote; Harris won 45%:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/ex...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/ex...

I expect white women voted for Trump for most of the same reasons white men voted for Trump. The Democrats believed that either abortion as a salient issue or Harris being a woman might shift those numbers...and it just didn't.
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Subject: Re: Krugman Nails It
Date: 11/16/2024 2:57 PM
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Offhand, I can't think of a single woman (in either party) that has beaten a man when running for office.

Come on now, surely many of the women Senators and Representatives have beaten men! Here's one that - thankfully - just did, from Wikipedia:

On February 27, 2023, [Elissa] Slotkin announced her candidacy in the 2024 Michigan U.S. Senate election following Debbie Stabenow's announcement that she would vacate the seat.[33] She won the Democratic primary on August 6, 2024, with 76% of the vote becoming Democratic nominee in the general election against Republican Mike Rogers.[34][35] On November 5, 2024, she won the election, outperforming the top of the ticket.[2]
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Krugman Nails It
Date: 11/16/2024 3:15 PM
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Come on now, surely many of the women Senators and Representatives have beaten men!

I did say that I was sure there were some, but I couldn't think of any. I'm sure in many places, if you have a "D" (or an "R") after your name on the ballot, you're going to win regardless of gender. AZ used to be like that, but we have more Dems in power than I can remember in previous decades. We did have a short stint where we had Babbitt (governor), DeConcini (senator), but the other senator was Barry Goldwater (and then McCain). The Kelly/Sinema combo was the first time I can remember two Dem senators. Hobbs is our first Dem governor in 15 years, and with Gallego winning, we'll have both senators and governor as Dems.

Back to the main point, a quick check revealed only old articles (10+ years) about women voting for women. So I don't know what the current scholarship on that is.
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