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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Israeli assets
Date: 05/26/26 8:48 PM
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Interesting piece on TYT tonight. The piece does not appear to be on free-to-view YT yet.

The piece included clips of Corey Booker and Debbie Schultz, both Dems, discussing the reported "arty deal" with Iran over last weekend. Both said it was terrible, the US hasn't destroyed Iran enough, and it is unacceptable to give Iran all that money (which is Iranian money the US impounded). They are both dead against the deal, as reported. They both appear to want more war. They are both leading Dems. Booker has pocketed $871K from the Israel lobby. Schultz has pocketed $1M from the Israel lobby. They are Israeli government assets that do not give a fig about the USians they were elected to serve.

And people here think Congress might force Trump the Conqueror to end his war? How quaint.

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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/27/26 1:16 AM
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Interesting piece on TYT tonight. The piece does not appear to be on free-to-view YT yet.

The piece is now up. Ignore what Cenk and Ana say, as they give it a spin to the left. Just look at the twits and clips of the "leaders and statesmen", of both parties, in an apoplectic fit about the rumored content of the "arty deal", like returning the Billions of Iranian assets to Iran.

Dems AND Republicans Panic Over Peace Talks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIecVOgIjTE

Strap in kids. It's going to be a bumpy year.

Steve
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/27/26 1:38 AM
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Strap in kids. It's going to be a bumpy year.

As if the Israeli assets in Congress, from both sides of the aisle, barking about the "arty deal", was not enough, the boss weighs in.

US ally puts Iran deal in jeopardy as top official urges defiance of Trump

“I call on the prime minister: Pick up the phone, call Trump, go to him, and pound the table,” Ben-Gvir said during a press conference in Jerusalem, The Jerusalem Post reported. “Make it clear that the State of Israel is not willing to accept, not willing to contain.”

Iran has long insisted that any peace agreement include a halt to Israel's bombing campaign in southern Lebanon, which since early April has killed more than 3,100 Lebanese and injured nearly 10,000, according to the Lebanese Health Ministry.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-ally-puts-...

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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/27/26 3:01 AM
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It’s a fine mess we’re in now, Ollie.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/28/26 1:32 AM
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Strap in kids. It's going to be a bumpy year.

On the news tonight:

US strikes Iran again, official says, after Trump denies deal on Strait of Hormuz

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/articles/iran...

Oil jumps 3% after Iran says it targeted U.S. airbase following fresh American strikes

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/28/oil-prices-us-stri...

Kuwait appears to come under Iranian attack hours after US targeted Islamic Republic

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/kuwai...

Israel issues evacuation order for swathes of southern Lebanon

The Israeli military has issued evacuation orders for large parts of southern Lebanon, declaring the areas "combat zones" ahead of fresh strikes against Hezbollah.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) urged residents to move north of the Zahrani River, about 40km (25 miles) from the border. The IDF said it would act "with extreme force", accusing Hezbollah of repeated ceasefire violations.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj3pgrpmlklo

According to the net sifter, the mouth of the Zahrani is about 10 miles north of the mouth of the Litani, so this is another 10 mile slice Israel is taking off Lebanon.

Trump just gotta Trump, and "Bibi" just gotta "Bibi". An analyst on the news tonight said that, with "Bibi's" main competitor being a coalition headed by Bennett, "Bibi" may decide to escalate in Lebanon, Gaza, and the west bank, to show he's tougher on Pals that Bennett.

Steve
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Author: elann 🐝🐝 GOLD
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/28/26 3:33 AM
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Trump just gotta Trump, and "Bibi" just gotta "Bibi". An analyst on the news tonight said that, with "Bibi's" main competitor being a coalition headed by Bennett, "Bibi" may decide to escalate in Lebanon, Gaza, and the west bank, to show he's tougher on Pals that Bennett.

Netanyahu has been wagging the dog for three years, and it has nothing to do with Bennett.
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/28/26 9:10 AM
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Israel intends to do to Lebanon what they are doing in Gaza, grab more land for settlement and oppress/exterminate indigenous inhabitants.

It could not be more 3rd Reichian.
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/28/26 7:29 PM
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Israel intends to do to Lebanon what they are doing in Gaza, grab more land for settlement and oppress/exterminate indigenous inhabitants.

False. Israel has no plans to build settlements in Gaza or Lebanon. Its current regime is awful, but there's hope that after the September election there will be a much more sane government.

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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/29/26 8:52 AM
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I can only draw the conclusion I have based on the rhetoric one hears proclaimed by Smotrich and Ben Gevir in the Knesset endlessly.

Google "greater Israel" to see why Israel is in Lebanon. Hezbollah would not exist if Israel was not repeatedly occupying Lebanon.

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Author: elann 🐝🐝 GOLD
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/29/26 5:31 PM
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I can only draw the conclusion I have based on the rhetoric one hears proclaimed by Smotrich and Ben Gevir in the Knesset endlessly.

Google "greater Israel" to see why Israel is in Lebanon. Hezbollah would not exist if Israel was not repeatedly occupying Lebanon.


You're referring to a few religious fanatics as if they represent Israel. They don't even represent the policies of Israel's current fascist government. The rhetoric of a few "Jewish Jihadists" isn't policy. And Israel first occupied southern Lebanon when is was was overrun by Arafat and his Fatah terrorist organization. Hezbollah is not there to defend Lebanon. It's an Iranian proxy for the purpose of attacking and harassing Israel.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 05/29/26 6:03 PM
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They don't even represent the policies of Israel's current fascist government.

Smotrich and Ben Gvir are nut nutty back benchers. They are cabinet ministers. They set policy.

Steve
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Author: flightdoc 101 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
Date: 05/29/26 6:22 PM
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Elan

You have fallen prey to the Israeli propaganda effort. Those "few radical Zionist jihadists" are actually the Prime minister, minister of national security, and the minister of finance/ leader of the Zionist party, to name but a few.

If the current actions in Gaza are to eliminate Hamas, why the escalation of evictions and violence in the West Bank? The murders and kidnappings by Hamas were despicable. Then how despicable is the recent murder and kidnapping of the indigenous Palestinians by Israel? Several orders of magnitude more despicable. (You notice I said recent). Read the reports of western surgeons who have worked in Gaza. They describe unforgivable acts.

As to Hizballah, they are guerilla fighters in Lebanon because the Lebanese military is hamstrung by the west and are as prone to infighting as fighting incursions. Hizballah fights in response to Israeli incursions. Israel bombs Lebanon, Hizballah shoots unguided missiles into Israel. You know where you don't find Hizballah, fighting incursions into Israel. They get weapons where they can. That does not make them proxies, and they don't take outside orders.

I would urge anyone who wants to know more about the deaths, starvation, kidnapping and torture, and victims of maiming, limb loss, burns, white phosphorous bombing, to read reports from western medical personnel who have treated victims there, British, Italian, Spanish, American. Then you might start to get at the truth. Unfortunately, all the journalists have been murdered.
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Subject: Re: Israeli assets
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Smotrich and Ben Gvir are nut nutty back benchers. They are cabinet ministers. They set policy.

Yes, they do set some policy. Ben Gvir has been awful as Israel's minister of internal security, in charge of the police. Israeli policy regarding the West Bank, under his control, has been criminal, as is the action against internal Israeli protesters. But Ben Gvir does not set policy regarding the war and occupation in Gaza and Lebanon, and there is no plan for any settlements in those areas. Smotrich is finance minister. His main policy role has been to rob Israelis to fund the ultra-orthodox factions, to keep them loyal to Netanyahu's regime.
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Date: 05/29/26 6:42 PM
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You have fallen prey to the Israeli propaganda effort. Those "few radical Zionist jihadists" are actually the Prime minister, minister of national security, and the minister of finance/ leader of the Zionist party, to name but a few.

I haven't fallen prey to any propaganda. I'm very familiar with Israeli politics. I have long been opposed to the Netanyahu regime and its criminal partners. I'm not here to defend any of their crimes. I know it's hard to discriminate from afar between Israel and its current regime. My only hope is that Israeli democracy will survive long enough for Netanyahu to be removed from power, along with his extremist partners, and replaced by a sane government. There is strong active opposition to this regime inside Israel.

People can easily discriminate between the Iranian people and their regime, or between Putin and the Russian people. For some reason a similar nuance is not applied to Israel.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 05/29/26 9:13 PM
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Hizballah shoots unguided missiles into Israel.

Recently, Hezbollah has been obtaining and using fiber optic guided drones, similar to the types being used in Ukraine. The Beeb ran a report, in the last day or two, where their reporter was pointing out the fiber that littered the ground where Hezbollah has been shooting back at IDF troops occupying Lebanese territory. It could have been fake, but the report showed video, supposedly from a TV camera in a drone, as it flew into the back of a truck full of IDF soldiers.

Israeli policy regarding the West Bank, under his control, has been criminal, as is the action against internal Israeli protesters.

Maybe government policy is to look the other way, while settlers terrorize the Pals? I have seen plenty of reports of Israeli police and troops either ignoring what settlers were doing, or terrorizing the Pals themselves.

...and there is no plan for any settlements in those areas.

Maybe no publicly announced, fully formed, plan. That doesn't mean people aren't talking about it.

March 23, 2026
Israeli minister calls for annexation of southern Lebanon

JERUSALEM/BEIRUT, March 23 (Reuters) - Israel should extend its border with Lebanon up to the Litani ​River deep inside the country's south, Israel's finance minister said on Monday as Israeli troops bombed bridges and destroyed homes in an escalating military assault.

The comments by ‌Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich were the most explicit yet by a senior Israeli official on seizing Lebanese territory in a fight Israel says targets Iran-backed Hezbollah militants.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-...

Some years ago, Israel annexed the Golan Heights, which were seized from Syria in 67. There are now some 30 Israeli settlements in the Golan. According to the net sifter, there are some 210 government recognized settlements in the west bank, an increase from 141 only 4 years ago. There are also some 350 unofficial outposts in the west bank. The trend has been for Israel to place civilians in every seized territory. There used to be several Israeli settlements in Gaza, until they were evacuated, so that Gaza could be a free fire zone.

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People can easily discriminate between the Iranian people and their regime, or between Putin and the Russian people. For some reason a similar nuance is not applied to Israel.

Possibly because people see Israel as more of a representative democracy than the other two examples. Hence, it may *seem* as though the leadership is reflecting the “will of the constituents” more than it might actually be.
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Possibly because people see Israel as more of a representative democracy than the other two examples. Hence, it may *seem* as though the leadership is reflecting the “will of the constituents” more than it might actually be.

Hmmmm. That sounds familiar. Is there another country that might fit that description????

Then again, in the country I’m thinking of, the leadership really does represent the will of a segment of the population.

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There used to be several Israeli settlements in Gaza, until they were evacuated, so that Gaza could be a free fire zone.

That is a huge distortion. The Israeli government under Ariel Sharon decided to evacuate all Israeli presence from the Gaza Strip in 2005, handing farms and other facilities intact, and giving full control to the Palestinian Authority, as an act of peaceful disengagement. The Palestinians chose to destroy the assets handed over to them. At that time there was relatively peaceful coexistence between Israel and the Palestinians with tens of thousands of Palestinian workers commuting into Israel on a daily basis. Hamas did all it could to undermine that coexistence with acts of terror. In 2007 Hamas took over the Gaza Strip in a violent coup and set the sides on a path to war.

Sharon tried to put a similar disengagement plan into effect in the West Bank and managed to remove three settlements before he suffered a stroke and was replaced as prime minister, and the plan died. There was huge opposition to the disengagement plans from Israel’s right wing parties. The plans certainly were not meant to turn Gaza into a “free fire zone”.
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People can easily discriminate between the Iranian people and their regime, or between Putin and the Russian people. For some reason a similar nuance is not applied to Israel.

Possibly because people see Israel as more of a representative democracy than the other two examples. Hence, it may *seem* as though the leadership is reflecting the “will of the constituents” more than it might actually be.


Possibly, and unfairly, true. The majority of Israelis are no more to blame for their government’s crimes than you are for Trump’s.
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The majority of Israelis are no more to blame for their government’s crimes than you are for Trump’s.

Let’s see:

Trump was voted in after having been convicted on felony accounts earlier in 2024. Voter support has taken hits since but still hovers at 38%.

Netanyahu was indicted on corruption-related charges and is on trial, but hasn’t been convicted so far. Voter support for his military actions seems to run strong still, irrespective of the ICC’s arrest warrant for suspected war crimes, and crimes against humanity in connection with Gaza operations.

So perhaps it’s a draw - on the depressingly low level we are supposed to get accustomed to.



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Date: 05/30/26 8:26 AM
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Then again, in the country I’m thinking of, the leadership really does represent the will of a segment of the population.


Shrinking weekly.

I keep wondering where that shrinking stops.

Not there yet.
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That is a huge distortion. The Israeli government under Ariel Sharon decided to evacuate all Israeli presence from the Gaza Strip in 2005, handing farms and other facilities intact, and giving full control to the Palestinian Authority, as an act of peaceful disengagement.

I remember that "free fire zone" thought flashed through my mind the moment the news announced the Israelis were abandoning the settlements in Gaza. I had to refresh my memory about what had been going on.

The Second Intifada had extended from 2000, to the Sharm El Sheikh Summit in February 2005. The Israelis destroyed the airport in Gaza in January 2002.

Sharon proposed the withdrawal from Gaza in 2003, during the Intifada. The plan was approved by the Knesset in June 2004, with a deadline of August 15, 2005.

The Gaza Strip disengagement occurred seven months after the Sharm el-Sheikh Summit, which ended the Second Intifada. As part of this process, four Israeli settlements in the West Bank were dismantled as well. Israeli officials, historians, and legal analysts cited several motives behind the country's decision to withdraw from the territory, with the two most significant factors being: the unsustainable cost of persistent and intensive fighting with Hamas and other Palestinian militant organizations; and demographic concerns rooted in the discrepancy between the Israeli birth rate and the Palestinian birth rate, as the latter greatly outpaced the former. According to Sharon, the disengagement plan was aimed at addressing Israel's long-term security challenges by shifting the country's resources to focus on strengthening the areas that "will constitute an inseparable part of the State of Israel in any future agreement" with the Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagemen...

So the withdrawal plan was in place before the Sharm el-Sheikh summit in Feb 2005. Withdrawal from Gaza was implemented per the schedule of the 2003 plan. The 2003 plan had, as it's basis, the security challenges of having Israelis living in Gaza. Take that as you wish: the Israeli settlements were indefensible, or a desire to make Gaza a free fire zone.

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Heh. Getting an education on how the far left views things, I see.

Tried to warn some of you on the board. You didn't listen. Enjoy what your party is becoming :).
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