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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 9:36 AM
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The New York Times has a great article discussing Trump's plans for a second term.

For any true American, Trump's vision of our future is chilling, if not downright horrifying. How so many of our fellow citizens can see this as a good thing is evidence of our decadence.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/16/us/... (not behind a pay wall)

I'll summarize the article in sections.

Part 1: Crack down on illegal immigration to an extreme degree

- mass deportations. Stephen Miller says a ten fold increase in deportations, more than a million per year

- use federal agents, the National Guard and federal troops to apprehend migrants

- use military funds to build “vast holding facilities” to detain immigrants

- suspend refugee program and bar visitors from mostly Muslim countries (reinstate a version of the travel ban)

- end birthright citizenship

Hard to imagine how they would pull all this off, but you also have to wonder what it would do to our economy.

I'm not in favor of uncontrolled immigration but there are no simple solutions. As long as there is such a steep economic 'gradient' between us and the nations south of us, it will be very difficult to control. And the fools who keep denying the effects of climate change should realize that migration pressures are likely just going to get worse as a result of those effects.
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 9:59 AM
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Slave owners were concerned what ending slavery "would do to the economy"


I love when they declare themselves to be who they pretend not to be,


Cmon, you still have the cities. And a certain segment of America. You get to have power over them, and then another cabal gets to charge them higher fees and higher interest rates.

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 10:25 AM
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Part 1: Crack down on illegal immigration to an extreme degree

- mass deportations. Stephen Miller says a ten fold increase in deportations, more than a million per year

- use federal agents, the National Guard and federal troops to apprehend migrants

- use military funds to build “vast holding facilities” to detain immigrants

- suspend refugee program and bar visitors from mostly Muslim countries (reinstate a version of the travel ban)

- end birthright citizenship

Hard to imagine how they would pull all this off, but you also have to wonder what it would do to our economy. - ges


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Nice list, To the extent possible, 100% of these elements should be aggressively implemented. The one on Muslim bans is poorly worded. Trumps original policy intent was oriented to those counties who could not or would not provide the records necessary to vet immigrants from their country, eg the hundreds of thousands from Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan.

Regarding the effect on our economy - it would a giant plus of the states and cities who are cutting police and other social services to citizens in order to pay the upkeep for hundreds of thousands of dependent immigrants.

There is the economic impact of small businesses and even big ones closing their doors because of rampant crime and the resultant impact on the quality of life for law abiding residents in those areas.

Perhaps more importantly is the lasting emotional impact on families who have been victims of unnecessary immigrant crime.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 11:34 AM
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If Trump wins, they riot. It's that simple.
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 12:10 PM
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We hold a "purge" every year in which all laws can be broken to find illegal immigrants and bring them in. We give $50 for dead illegal immigrants bodies, and a thousand dollars for live ones. Any illegal immigrant bringing in 10 alive illegal immigrants gets to stay for a year and is awarded 5200 chances in the Citizenship lotto - 100 a week. We hold citizenship lottos once a week and charge $20 an entry, you can buy as many entries as you want. We also hold citizenship lottos in foreign countries.

No cheating, you cannot shoot illegal immigrants as they cross the border and collect $50.

Each year on Juneteenth we award citizenship to all the citizenship lotto winners - no test, just take the oath.

Other qualifications may apply, see the rules at you local Citizenship lotto outlet.

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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 1:18 PM
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If Trump wins, they riot.

I seem to recall the riot happening when Trump loses, not when he wins.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Date: 06/20/2024 1:36 PM
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I seem to recall the riot happening when Trump loses, not when he wins.

That's because your memory is selective and your news sources subpar.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inau...

Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC

Don't disappoint me, now: post about how this was "mostly peaceful" or some other bbbbbuttt January 6 somethingsomething.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 2:34 PM
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"I seem to recall the riot happening when Trump loses, not when he wins."

Yep... and Steve 'flood the zone with shit" Bannon is conditioning ammosexual MAGAts to understand it's expected of them. Note that the Orange Felon is not offering as much as a fart in opposition to the notion that MAGAts must 'give it all.' How is this not treason?

"Steve Bannon, who is scheduled to go to federal prison on July 1 for two counts of contempt of Congress, recently suggested another violent MAGA reaction should Trump lose at the ballot box. At an extremist Turning Point Action rally in Michigan this week, Bannon exhorted the crowd to action. “If they steal this election, and they fully intend to steal it, this republic ends. Are you prepared to fight? Are you prepared to give it all? Are you prepared to leave it all on the battlefield?”
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 2:39 PM
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Bannon is a fascist. Have you heard him scream at the top of his lungs: "Victory or death!"

And meanwhile, FOX et al are prepping their brain dead zombie viewers to believe that Trump can't possibly lose this election, therefore if he does it must have been stolen. Right? Then for Trump's cult followers it is "Victory or death!" F****** insane.

To the right wingers on the board. How the hell can you possibly justify voting for Trump and all his corrupt sycophants who can't wait to take power and dismantle our freedoms? Because the left is too 'woke'?
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 3:20 PM
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I seem to recall the riot happening when Trump loses, not when he wins.

It is common for conservatives to see things in reverse. Dunno why. Just an observation.
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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 3:53 PM
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It is common for conservatives to see things in reverse.

Or to equate a few unorganized, scattered events with a single large, well-planned event.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 3:59 PM
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To the right wingers on the board. How the hell can you possibly justify voting for Trump and all his corrupt sycophants who can't wait to take power and dismantle our freedoms? Because the left is too 'woke'? - ges

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Been asked and answered several times.... try putting this on a yellow sticky on your keyboard next to your password.....

"Prosperity" and "Security"
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 4:01 PM
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Been asked and answered several times.... try putting this on a yellow sticky on your keyboard next to your password.....

"Prosperity" and "Security"


Been rebuked several times: "Trump did not provide either". Plus, some factual explanations behind that assertion, including some made by me.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 4:03 PM
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Been rebuked several times: "Trump did not provide either". Plus, some factual explanations behind that assertion, including some made by me.

The world wasn't on fire then. It is now.
The economy was a lot better off back then.

Not our fault those are facts.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 4:37 PM
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"Prosperity" and "Security"

Ve will be clearing out the migrants, the vermin,the parnographers, the perverts who are poisoning the blood of our nation...und there will be prosperity und security."

It doesn't sound quite so 1938ish when it's not in German.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 9:00 PM
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BMHBeen asked and answered several times.... try putting this on a yellow sticky on your keyboard next to your password.....

"Prosperity" and "Security"


That's sloganeering Mike. We all want prosperity and security, and that's more assured when we have a thriving Western Democracy. We have prosperity right now, but I would like young couples to be able to afford starter houses or at least condos/townhouses so they can have families and not go broke on medical bills.

I have prosperity and feel secure.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/20/2024 9:13 PM
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The economy was a lot better off back then.

Not so, this is an empty claim. The economy is better now with lower unemployment. These are facts.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: If Trump Wins...
Date: 06/21/2024 12:11 PM
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The economy was a lot better off back then.

Not so, this is an empty claim. The economy is better now with lower unemployment. These are facts.


Oh...I missed this one. Someone seriously claiming that the economy was better (let's say) six years ago than now? The only significant metric that is worse is inflation, currently at about 3.3%. U6 unemployment after a spike in mid-2020 (while Trump was in office, but it was the onset of COVID) has returned to pre-COVID levels. Etc.

Somebody needs to stop watching Hannity.
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