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New video is online now that appears to have been recorded by Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who shot Renee Good. The video came from Ross's camera phone (or possibly his bodycam) and clearly shows that Good turns the steering wheel away from Ross before she is shot. There's no doubt. And Ross would have had to have seen her intention to avoid him and to drive away from him and the scene.

You can also hear Ross say, after shooting her in the face, "fucking bitch!"

https://bsky.app/profile/muellershewrote.com/post/...

I just watched the video you linked in the Blue sky post and it clearly shows the suv driver turning into the ice.agent.

Not sure what you are smoking today

And Ross would have had to have seen her intention to avoid him and to drive away from him and the scene.

Maybe, but the video also shows him and his camera completely off balance as the car turned by him. It's not TOO unreasonable to think that perhaps he felt as if he was about to be hit, if not run over. And the blurted expletive might merely indicate his anger at the thought that he was being deliberately run over.

Just playin' devil's advocate for a minute...

The SUV driver's partner was outside of the vehicle and behaving and speaking in a very deliberately provocative manner.

"Come at me big boy"?

The fact that the partner was out of the vehicle indicates that both of them had already been told by either Ross or some other ICE agent to exit the vehicle.

The driver was being deliberately defiant, and her partner was recording the defiance and trying to be as provocative as possible.

The SUV driver, from the perspective of what we could see from the Ross viewpoint footage, clearly starts moving her vehicle forward while its front wheels were still canted towards Ross.

That's exactly why the video image is interrupted and you suddenly see "sky." That's Ross being knocked over.

Now, maybe the excuse for Good is she is (like many SUV drivers) a terrible driver, and didn't realize that if her wheels are pointed to the left (i.e. in the direction of Ross) and she cranks the steering wheel to the right, there is a response delay of a second or two.

It's still her fault.

That's a different question from whether the shooting itself was legally justified.

But don't make a straw man out of this and try to claim her vehicle wasn't headed towards the officer.

LOL. I'll have to log off and see which pet of mine it is that wants attention this time.

g0177325: ...but the video also shows him and his camera completely off balance as the car turned by him...

Jeez, do I really have to spell this out to you?

Dope1's argument was that the tires were straight and therefore, seeing them, Jonathan Ross feared for his life. But Ross's own video recording shows that he was not looking at the tires but straight at Renee Good, whose hands were immediately turning the wheel away from Ross as she attempted to drive away.

You can even see Ross hand switch his phone, freeing up his right hand to upholster his weapon before he reaches the front of the car.

Now, Ross could have just let her leave and ICE agents could have followed her to her home and arrested her if they felt an arrest was warranted but, no... he murdered her instead.

Renee Good's final words to Jonathan Ross were, "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you."

Jonathan Ross's final words to Renee Good were, "Fucking bitch!"

Stop sanewashing the administration's bullshit.

Now, Ross could have just let her leave and ICE agents could have followed her to her home and arrested her if they felt an arrest was warranted but, no... he murdered her instead.

Or, the other two agents could have stayed in their pickup, and driven around her car, when she motioned for them to do so.

Steve

Suppose Ross "lets her leave" (how did you know she was going to leave BEFORE she left?) and she puts it into reverse again and hits the officer standing on the left side of the vehicle?

You leftists are all creating an "after the fact" standard in which you are making judgments already knowing what happened.

That's not the standard.

If you're going to say the officer had an affirmative obligation to jump out of the way of the vehicle, I guess you can say that, but that's not the same thing as saying "He was placed in no danger by the way she was driving."

You can also hear Ross say, after shooting her in the face, "fucking bitch!"

This is believable, but these days I have to ask...are you sure this is not AI? And how did the video get released?

This is a pattern in bad law enforcement...a cop who cannot stand someone who he thinks is disobeying his command. Rage leads to murder.

creating an "after the fact" standard

Everyone already knows Ross and ICE and Noem and Spankee are all lying. That is their STANDARD based on the fact they lie pretty much all the time.

Ross (etc) is/are contradicting what his own recording shows. Facts, not RWNJ lies.

Found those WMDs in Iraq yet? LOL !!! How about that health care plan promised by Spankee?

Jeez, do I really have to spell this out to you?

No, I get it. As I said, I was playing devil's advocate. And for those seeking to justify this shooting, this video could provide some evidence, and in fact, that's exactly why this was released and how MAGA is interpreting it. With FOX's help of course.

You leftists are all creating an "after the fact" standard in which you are making judgments already knowing what happened.

Yup. Law enforcement has "no duty to retreat" in that scenario. She was wrong in about every way it's possible to be wrong.

The Ross cell phone data seals the deal here. His attention was on the driver as it should have been. And he saw - because we saw - a laughing woman behind the wheel and he can hear the accelerator get punched.

Dope1's argument was that the tires were straight and therefore, seeing them, Jonathan Ross feared for his life.

No. The evidence that the wheels were pointed straight and the tires spinning was used to show that yeah, she probably hit him with the car.

Which she did.

Grade? Fail. Stop gaslighting.

Or, the other two agents could have stayed in their pickup, and driven around her car, when she motioned for them to do so.

Steve

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So the ICE agents should respond to her commands and not the other way around. LOL. Liberal logic.

"Suppose Ross "lets her leave" (how did you know she was going to leave BEFORE she left?) and she puts it into reverse again and hits the officer standing on the left side of the vehicle?" - Marco the Russian Clown

I know you are just a dumbass clown in Russian trying to spread chaos in America, but In America, law enforcement officers are not to use deadly force on what supposedly could happen.

"You leftists are all creating an "after the fact" standard in which you are making judgments already knowing what happened." - More Marco the Russian Clown

Your dumbass is making the standard of what supposedly could happen. That is a joke. Your knowledge of America is laughable. You deserve to be sent to fight in Ukraine. Good luck with that.

bighairymike: So the ICE agents should respond to her commands and not the other way around. LOL. Liberal logic.

Heavily armed, masked ICE agents shouting obscenities at citizens should just shoot them in the face in their own neighborhoods. Conservative logic.

Steve is kinda of a nutty guy, and obviously a raging anti-Semite, but he does dig Star Trek and I guess other pop culture stuff, so I am perversely fond of him.

It would be extremely helpful if you and your comrades would stop simply making definitions up and so forth.

Generally speaking, the use of deadly physical force by a law enforcement officer in the execution (pun not intended) of his duties is considered to be legally justified if the officer perceives 1) a threat of death or serious physical injury 2) to the officer him/herself, other officers also trying to do their jobs, or third persons.

The officer does not (again generally speaking) have a legal duty to step aside or avoid confrontation with other persons in the execution of the officer's duties.

The contrary is true. That's the job. Enforcing the law.

It seems that the leftists here (and elsewhere) have a fundamental misunderstanding of the general legal principles that are involved.

Now, digging down into the specifics will depend on many different things.

Did the officer believe himself or others to be in immediate danger of serious physical injury or death? That's a state of mind question. There is both a subjective (i.e. did the officer sincerely believe there was such a threat) and objective component to the analysis (was the belief that the officer sincerely held objectively reasonable?).

Another common principle in these situations is that the officer's conduct must be evaluated without the benefit of hindsight, but rather, at the time, place, and circumstances that confronted the officer.

If a law enforcement officer is standing either in front of an SUV or close enough to the SUV to be in immediate danger of being struck by the vehicle, where the driver clearly is aware of the officer's presence and is clearly acting in a defiant way in response to the officer's instructions to stop and exit the vehicle, and has already made sudden changes in direction, being egged on by a bystander, then it is at least an issue for a jury as to whether or not the officer's subjective perception of immediate danger was 1) sincerely held, i.e. subjectively reasonable and 2) objectively reasonable.

Many factors will come into play. State and federal law, regulations, and case law precedent will all play a role.

Federal law enforcement/ICE policy will obviously play a role. I.e. it is obvious that ICE gives these officers firearms for a reason--that there are situations when they will need to be used. But even if this officer may have violated ICE policy on firearms use (it's not clear that he did under these circumstances), that still doesn't mean he committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

Other factors will be necessary for a jury to evaluate as well--pattern and practice, perhaps characteristics of the vehicle being driven, and so forth.

Common sense also plays a role, and common sense will tell a reasonable person that if someone is standing in front of your vehicle, or near enough to you to possibly be endangered if you remain in motion and realize that the pedestrian has no insight into what your split-second intentions may be as to how you are going to drive that vehicle, or your capabilities in handling the vehicle, then it is you as the driver who takes the risks 1) that you hit the person or come close enough to pose a danger to the person 2) that the pedestrian misinterprets whatever your intentions might be.

In this case, the driver egged on by her spouse, was clearly defiant, clearly hostile, and clearly had no intention of complying with the officer's directions. She clearly had no intention of stopping her vehicle. On the contrary, it would have been reasonable for anyone in that officer's position to assume based on her immediate past behavior that even if she did not intentionally want to hit the officer, she would continue to behave and drive in a manner which might recklessly endanger the officer or other persons nearby.

At a first pass, from my opinion, and especially having now seen the body cam or cell phone video by the officer himself, the first shot was arguably justified sufficient to require a jury trial as to whether or not the officer's behavior in firing it constituted a crime.

The second and third shots are far more problematic.

However, the officer's cell phone videos is very illuminating as the entire sequence of the SUV driver moving forward into the officer (or dangerously close to him in order to bypass him) until after the three shots were fired appears to be less than 1 second. Maybe 2 at the most.

In any event, there is plenty to chew over in this situation and anything like it without raising straw men.

So the ICE agents should respond to her commands and not the other way around. LOL. Liberal logic.

No, the ICE agents job is to arrest the illegal alien, not escalate situations with protestors. So if it's possible to drive around, drive around and continue on to arrest the illegal alien. The job isn't to create a situation where you can shoot someone with your qualified immunity.

The job isn't to create a situation where you can shoot someone with your qualified immunity.

Ah, but in the ICE agent's mind this poor woman was a 'fucking bitch'. So, fire away!

Heavily armed, masked ICE agents shouting obscenities at citizens should just shoot them in the face in their own neighborhoods. Conservative logic.

There is a working theory that the brutality of ICE and Border Patrol agents is intentional, as part of the show.

Since his first campaign, in 2016, Trump has endorsed and encouraged violence. I remember video of one of his campaign rallies in 16, which was disrupted by a handful of demonstrators. As the demonstrators were escorted out by security, Trump suggested his followers "rough them up". He offered to pay the legal bills of people charged with assault for fights defending him. As we know, during his first term, he suggested demonstrators and people crossing the border illegally be shot.

As suggested here, the majority of his followers are not put off by his policies that enrich the rich, at their expense, and his program to start wars around the hemisphere, as long as they see brown people and liberals being beat up on TV. As his other policies are increasingly controversial and hurt his base more, expect the violence against brown people and liberals to increase, just as his deportation target has increased from 20M, to 53M, and now 100M. I would not be surprised to see a reenactment of Kristallnacht, as thousands of ICE agents sweep immigrant/minority dense neighborhoods, smashing, looting, and burning, to "motivate people to self-deport".

Steve...HBTT

And the blurted expletive might merely indicate his anger at the thought that he was being deliberately run over....

I consulted a friend who is a CHP... A properly trained LEO does not place himself in the path of a vehicle with its motor running. A traffic stop involves stopping the car and ensuring the motor is OFF before getting in front or behind the possible paths, and observing the direction of the tires; staying safely to the side of the vehicle while assessing the status of the occupants.

"An officer’s first responsibility is to keep both you and themselves safe by the roadside. So to this end, they can give you orders during a Terry Stop. They may ask you to shut off your engine, remove your keys from the ignition, keep your hands visible, or roll down a tinted window so they can see you."

Standing in front of a maneuvering vehicle with camera in hand, gun drawn, is not an acceptable protocol.

Once again raising a leftist straw man.

He didn't call her a "fucking bitch" prior to the incident.

People under tremendous stress will often curse or say inappropriate things.

It's perfectly natural.

It's also perfectly clear that "fucking bitch" is short hand for "criminal defiant driver who almost killed me for no reason."

Steve,

Thanks for another straw man take from a Leftist who either doesn't understand math and statistics or wants to conveniently ignore math and statistics.

ICE has had hundreds of thousands if not millions of encounters with members of the public since Trump came into office.

What is the percentage of those encounters in which it can even be speculatively claimed that ICE acted inappropriately, much less illegally?

Of those very few incidents in which it is alleged ICE acted inappropriately, how many were directly caused by Leftists deliberately defying the law and interfering with ICE's law enforcement functions?

Do some math, buddy, it would do you a world of good.

It wasn't a maneuvering vehicle when the LEO drew his gun.

According to Alan, the vehicle was stopped when he drew his gun.

The LEO has no obligation to "get out of the way."

That's foolishness.

That's leftist delusion.

Since his first campaign, in 2016, Trump has endorsed and encouraged violence.

A true statement, easily verified by his own words, many of them recorded on video over the past ten years- in context, clearly spoken and doubted only by the up is down, left is right, white is black crowd.

Either they are deaf, dumb and blind, or they view the killing of non MAGA people as just another video game. We are simply the zombies generated by the game whose purpose is only to provide target practice.

And zombies, by definition, are not human and can NEVER be afforded a legitimate perspective.

Heavily armed, masked ICE agents shouting obscenities at citizens should just shoot them in the face in their own neighborhoods. Conservative logic.

The law breakers have no business being there in the first place hampering Federal Agents from
doing their job to arrest illegal aliens. It is why 77.3 million Americans voted for Trump, close
the border and deport illegal aliens.

If the Federal Agents are losing their tempers, one just have to look at the videos
and see what they are up against, rabid crazed people, including Renee Nicole Good’s diarrhea of
the mouth, talking and acting like a stupid smart ass.

Why are you Liberals supporting these law breakers?

The law breakers have no business being there in the first place hampering Federal Agents from
doing their job to arrest illegal aliens.

Renee Good was gunned down on the street where she lived, after dropping her child at day care. She had every right to be where she was. It’s where she lived.

Why did ICE/Border Patrol send 2000 under-trained and heavily armed thugs to Minneapolis in the first place? Most Somalis in Minnesota are there legally.

working theory that the brutality of ICE and Border Patrol agents is intentional

https://image.cagle.com/303501/830/paul-duginski_t...

LurkerMom: The law breakers have no business being there in the first place...

She wasn't breaking any laws. She was in her neighborhood. Since you seem unable to tell the good guys from the bad guys, the bad guys are masked, shouting profanities, and pointing guns at innocent folks in the neighborhood.


LurkerMom: ...including Renee Nicole Good’s diarrhea of the mouth...

RENEE GOOD: “That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you.”

REBECCA GOOD: “Hey – show your face, big boy. We don’t change our plates every morning, just so you know. It will be the same plate when you come talk to us later.”

JONATHAN ROSS: “Fucking bitch.”


LurkerMom: Why are you Liberals supporting these law breakers?

We've reached the point where you're either a fascist sympathizer or you're not. No need to guess where you come down on the matter.

Renee Good was gunned down on the street where she lived, after dropping her child at day care. She had every right to be where she was. It’s where she lived.

Why did ICE/Border Patrol send 2000 under-trained and heavily armed thugs to Minneapolis in the first place? Most Somalis in Minnesota are there legally.

Don’t know if she lived on that street or not. If she was a law abiding citizen she should have gone into her home instead of being out on the street in her car acting like a dumb ass.

2,000 federal agents were sent to Minneapolis for immigration crackdown and amid the horrendous fraud probe. Shame on those ingrate illegals and immigrants stealing BILLIONS of hard earned money
from American taxpayers.

We've reached the point where you're either a fascist sympathizer or you're not.

Sad but true.

The time to decide which side of this authoritarian project you are on is quickly slipping away.

She wasn't breaking any laws. She was in her neighborhood. Since you seem unable to tell the good guys from the bad guys, the bad guys are masked, shouting profanities, and pointing guns at innocent folks in the neighborhood.


LurkerMom: ...including Renee Nicole Good’s diarrhea of the mouth...

RENEE GOOD: “That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you.”

REBECCA GOOD: “Hey – show your face, big boy. We don’t change our plates every morning, just so you know. It will be the same plate when you come talk to us later.”

JONATHAN ROSS: “Fucking bitch.”

Yep, you just proved my point. She was talking and acting like a dumb ass instead of going home like a law abiding citizen would do.

The time to decide which side of this authoritarian project you are on is quickly slipping away.

The side to be on is being a responsible American citizen.

2,000 federal agents were sent to Minneapolis for immigration crackdown and amid the horrendous fraud probe.

When all you’ve brought to do brain surgery is a hammer….

This fraud probe is essentially a white collar crime investigation. Where do 2000 heavily federally armed thugs fit into this?

This fraud probe is essentially a white collar crime investigation.

Oh for Gawd sake, I’m not even going to attempt to answer your ignorant reply.
Get your head out of the liberal backside and educate yourself.

LurkerMom: 2,000 federal agents were sent to Minneapolis for immigration crackdown and amid the horrendous fraud probe.

The Minnesota Department of Children, Youth and Families investigated the allegations and said all the facilities were operating normally and children were found at all but one that closed in 2022.

LurkerMom: Shame on those ingrate illegals and immigrants stealing BILLIONS of hard earned money from American taxpayers.

Well, Pedo Don is a racist and has called Somalis garbage but the fact of the matter is that 95% of Somalis in Minneapolis are U.S. citizens (about 50% were born here).

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/federal-author....

The Minnesota Department of Children, Youth and Families investigated the allegations and said all the facilities were operating normally and children were found at all but one that closed in 2022.

Tell us Old Wise One, how did NINE BILLION Dollars disappear?

Tell us Old Wise One, how did NINE BILLION Dollars disappear?

That’s what the investigation, already ongoing, seeks to find out.

It’s a cinch that 2000 heavily armed and under trained thugs are not going to find the answer.

Nothing in their training even comes close to eqipping them for that task.

Therefore, LM, and listen closely here…..

ICE/Border Patrol were not sent to Minneapolis to find the fraud.

Any more than boats have been blown up and Maduro snatched by US armed forces in order to stop the flow of drugs to America.


Hmmm…. What could possibly be the reasons for these blunt uses of force?

And the answer to that question will lead you to the real reasons for Trump’s increase of violent force.

The Ross cell phone data seals the deal here. His attention was on the driver as it should have been.

So how did HE walk in front of the car--contrary to ICE rules? Incompetence and neglect.

LOCK HIM UP !!!

It’s a cinch that 2000 heavily armed and under trained thugs are not going to find the answer.

Your liberal fed answers are pretty stupid. ‘Under trained thugs’? LOL..
The Liberal Data Base feeding you what to say is as stupid as Good’s diarrhea of the mouth was.

stealing BILLIONS of hard earned money from American taxpayers.

There you go, accurately describing SPANKEE in public. He has the convicted felony count to prove it. Just quoting YOU. ICE is coming for YOU, so don't whine or complain about it....

LurkerMom: Yep, you just proved my point. She was talking and acting like a dumb ass instead of going home like a law abiding citizen would do.

Well, okay. My point is that you're misinformed.

And how is her saying “That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you” talking like a dumbass?

She was talking and acting like a dumb ass instead of going home like a law abiding citizen would do.

Did she go and GET HER GUNS ???? DID SHE START SHOOTING AT THEM ????

SHOW THE SHELL CASINGS IF YOU CLAIM SHE DID !!!

Or did she face the problem head-on and state FACTS ???

Uh-oh !! YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH FACTS !!!

Do YOU change your LICENSE PLATES daily (or more often)?

Go ahead. MAKE MY DAY !!!

ROFLMAO !!!

Your liberal fed answers are pretty stupid. ‘Under trained thugs’? LOL..
The Liberal Data Base feeding you what to say is as stupid as Good’s diarrhea of the mouth was.

You’re good at insulting people, but not very good at backing up your own “verbal diarrhea.

So here’s your chance. What in the training of these thugs prepares them to investigate this crime?

Forensic accounting, perhaps?

Especially now that we know that many of the daycares were in fact, real daycares with real children?

There WAS graft. Minneapolis has admitted as much and Tim Walz took himself out of the governor’s race over it. The state on Minnesota is investigating it.

What can 2000 armed thugs add to the investigation? Obviously the only thing they’ve added so far is intimidation and the killing of a woman.

The last video proved is right (well, so did all the other videos) and that the libs were just posting out of their butts.

Again.

These last couple of pages on the board have been just embarrassing as they try to save face.

They’re wrong. Or clueless. On everything. Deep down they all know it but would rather say even more outlandish stuff that just own up to the fact that their media played them for the 1,000,000th time.

But libs gonna lib. I suppose it’s the natural order of things where the Harlem Globetrotters have a Washington Generals to play (and crush) every day.

The side to be on is being a responsible American citizen.

You eliminated yourself by your choice (quoted above).

Responsible American citizens do NOT ignore crimes by the govt. They stand up to it.

Renee Good was a FAR BETTER/RESPONSIBLE AMERICAN CITIZEN than you--or any RWNJ--could ever be. She was MURDERED FOR THAT REASON.

Where do 2000 heavily federally armed thugs fit into this?

They are looking for all the "Top Secret" papers Spankee keeps giving away to the public.

Especially the ones in his litter box.

Tell us Old Wise One, how did NINE BILLION Dollars disappear?

Check Spankee's records. You know, Felon-34. Where'd THAT money go?

LurkerMom,

Progressives are dopey.

They believe that if they disagree with the federal government's deployment of ICE, they have the right to interfere with LEOs enforcing the law and the right to disobey an LEO's traffic instructions while driving a vehicle.

They believe they have the right to put the lives of the LEOs, themselves, and others at risk because at bottom they lack personal responsibility for...anything.

That's probably why Rachel Good didn't have custody of her two older children.

One would think that would be of more concern to her than interfering with law enforcement, but nope.

You'll also note that none of the Leftie Loonies posting here would ever dream of actually emulating the behavior of Rachel Good, her "husband," nor any of the other street loons.

Because they are intelligent enough to know how stupid and dangerous it is.

So they sit comfy on their butts and tell OTHER PEOPLE rah rah rah go and RESIST.


What hypocrites, they manipulate stupid people like Rachel Good (look at the pictures of her face--she looks like she has fetal alcohol syndrome which would explain a lot) and when they get killed doing stupid tricks, they vulturize the corpse and try to use it for political propaganda points.

And how is her saying “That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you” talking like a dumbass?

Her laughing, smirking tone along with the rest of the play ground mentality reply you did not include.

ROFLMAO !!!

Rolling on the floor with the dogs got you fleas.

Her laughing, smirking tone along with the rest of the play ground mentality reply you did not include.

So “attitude” got her killed.

I wrote:

So attitude got her killed.

…as interpreted by the guy who shot her and then called her a “fucking bitch”.

Progressives truly believe that other Progressives have a god given right to use their SUVs to run over LEOs who get in the Progressives' way.

That's the core of their idiocy.

They truly believe that Rachel Good had the RIGHT to run Ross over.

Because she's a Progressive.

Not for any other reason.

Had she happened to have been a MAGA Mom in the wrong place at the wrong time, and acted as stupidly as Rachel Good did, and wound up dead, they would be CHEERING the death.

Progressives truly believe that other Progressives have a god given right to use their SUVs to run over LEOs who get in the Progressives' way.

No they don’t. But that’s not what happened, regardless of how many times you say it

As suggested here, the majority of his followers are not put off by his policies...

I saw a clip of Obama a few months ago saying words to the effect of "if I had done any of those things, can you imagine the reaction". It's not just the policies, but who is the policymaker. I think we'd be hearing a lot of complaints if Obama was overseeing the shooting of American citizens without cause by federal agents, seizing tankers, doing unauthorized military strikes, etc.

Not that maybe some tankers don't need to be seized, or things don't need to be blown up. But if Obama was doing this without Congress, the right would be screaming (and correctly so).

LurkerMom: Her laughing, smirking tone along with the rest of the play ground [sic] mentality reply you did not include.

There was nothing else to include. What else do you believe she said?

I mean, c'mon, she was smiling at him.

But even if she'd called him a Nazi pig, that's not a reason to kill her. Are you suggesting he had cause to kill her because she disrespected him (although she didn't seem to) or for something she said?

If so, say so. Put those fascist cards on the table.

These last couple of pages on the board have been just embarrassing as they try to save face.

Exactly. R Good was a trained ‘ICE Watch Warrior’ and knew exactly what she was doing when she behaved aggressively towards the Federal Agents.
Now the left and liberals here are tying themselves into knots blaming her death on the ICE
Agents,

Renee Good was breaking the Law disrupting the Federal Agents when they were trying to do their job. Period.

LurkerMom: R Good was a trained ‘ICE Watch Warrior’ and knew exactly what she was doing when she behaved aggressively towards the Federal Agents.

There is zero evidence to support the claim she was an ‘ICE Watch Warrior’ other than social media accounts. No new organization has made the claim.

Plus, she did not behave aggressively. She was in her car the entire time and told Ross, “That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you.” That's your idea of ‘aggressive’?

LurkerMom: Now the left and liberals here are tying themselves into knots blaming her death on the ICE Agents,

Umm, we're not tying ourselves into knots. We're simply reporting the facts. ICE is to blame for her death.

LurkerMom: Renee Good was breaking the Law...

Albaby1 and others have repeatedly explained that she was not breaking any laws.

Time for you to join Marco and the Jedi gang in the land of crazy folks and trolls.

PLOINK!

But even if she'd called him a Nazi pig, that's not a reason to kill her.

One Agent told her to get out of the car. He had his hand on the door handle to open
the door. Instead Good put the car in reverse, almost injuring the Agent’s hand, then
sped forward with the other Agent in her path. The Agent in defense mode shot her dead.

Good fought the Law and the Law won. (shrug..for the pun)

Albaby1 and others have repeatedly explained that she was not breaking any laws.

Ya right..keep tying yourself in knots.
Breaking the Law or not, a good law abiding citizen does not imped Federal Agents doing their job.

PLOINK!

Cool, does that mean you will go away with your twisted logic and leave normal posters alone?

Ya right..keep tying yourself in knots.

Yeah, they can say what they want. The facts are what the facts are.

-She blocked traffic
-Refused orders to leave the vehicle
-Attempted to flee the scene
-Hit a cop with her car

All they've done in this thread and all the others is dissemble and gaslight.

And yet another video. Here's Good clearly blocking traffic.

https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/20100371036657870...

Every.
Single.
liberal.
Narrative.

Has been shown to be one or more of a) a complete lie b) made up c) wishful thinking or d) gaslighting.

All of it.

The left wants a violent confrontation and they want a "Kent State Moment". They want a new riot season to happen.

It's that simple.

Had she happened to have been a MAGA Mom

ICE would have killed her long ago--for threatening ICE agents with her WMDs.

Cool, does that mean you will go away with your twisted logic and leave normal posters alone?

Defining yourself as "normal" is the same as labeling Putin a "peacenik".

LurkerMom: Shame on those ingrate illegals and immigrants stealing BILLIONS of hard earned money from American taxpayers.

I don't suppose you give a shit about the billions that Trump is corruptly stealing from our country.

LurkerMom: Yep, you just proved my point. She was talking and acting like a dumb ass instead of going home like a law abiding citizen would do.


If you hate America and our civil liberties so much, why the hell don't you move to a country more suitable to your fascist tastes...try Russia.

I think we'd be hearing a lot of complaints if Obama was overseeing the shooting of American citizens without cause by federal agents, seizing tankers, doing unauthorized military strikes, etc.

Are you kidding? You 'think' you would be hearing a lot of 'complaints'? That is putting far too mildly. FOX and the other right wing media would be screaming endlessly and calling for Obama's impeachment.

LurkerMom: Now the left and liberals here are tying themselves into knots blaming her death on the ICE Agents,


Ugh. LM is off the rails with her inversion of reality and her hatred of things she has been taught by the lying RW media to fear.

It's the frowny face for her. Nothing of value. Like Marco.

I don't suppose you give a shit about the billions that Trump is corruptly stealing from our country.

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Frankly, I don't see it. You guys make this accusation by spinning everything possible into a grift with no evidence of actual funds going into some secret bank account somewhere or truckloads of gold bullion being moved at night to the vaults below MaraLago or shipped to his pal Putin for safe keeping.

Loony speculation. You lost an election, get over it.

Billions? Are you kidding?

Trump is stealing TRILLIONS.

KA-ZILLIONS!!!

ONION RING - ILLIONS!!!!

(Also, he is stealing the internal organs of poor Somali migrant children orhpans, frying them up, and eating them with a bottle of Chianti and Favvvaaaaa beans. HISSSSSSSSS)

Frankly, I don't see it. You guys make this accusation by spinning everything possible into a grift with no evidence of actual funds going into some secret bank account somewhere or truckloads of gold bullion being moved at night to the vaults below MaraLago or shipped to his pal Putin for safe keeping.

Mike, I know you're not a stupid man, but when it comes to Trump you are willfully ignorant. Trump's endless grifts are out in the open for all to see. There's no secrecy involved, like Biden was constantly accused of.

I'll leave it to others to list all Trump's grifts, but here's a good start from The New Yorker, which enumerates a total of 3.4 billion in POTUS-profiting so far:

The Number:
How much is Trump pocketing off the Presidency?
By David D. Kirkpatrick
August 11, 2025

I decided to tally up the Trump family’s profiteering, including five Persian Gulf mega-projects, a luxury jet from Qatar, a sprawling resort in Hanoi, half a dozen projects peddling crypto, and MAGA merch.

...

Many payments now flowing to Trump, his wife, and his children and their spouses would be unimaginable without his Presidencies: a two-billion-dollar investment from a fund controlled by the Saudi crown prince; a luxury jet from the Emir of Qatar; profits from at least five different ventures peddling crypto; fees from an exclusive club stocked with Cabinet officials and named Executive Branch. Fred Wertheimer, the dean of ethics-reform advocates, told me that, “when it comes to using his public office to amass personal profits, Trump is a unicorn—no one else even comes close.” Yet the public has largely shrugged. In a recent article for the Times, Peter Baker, a White House correspondent, wrote that the Trumps “have done more to monetize the presidency than anyone who has ever occupied the White House.” But Baker noted that the brazenness of the Trump family’s “moneymaking schemes” appears to have made such transactions seem almost normal.

How much money does it all amount to? What’s the number? In March, Forbes, known for ranking the wealth of billionaires, estimated that Trump’s net worth had more than doubled in the previous year, surpassing five billion dollars. In July, the Times put Trump’s wealth at upward of ten billion. Yet both estimates included billions of dollars in paper profits that would almost certainly disintegrate if the Trumps pulled out of certain investments. (What’s Truth Social worth without him?)

...

https://archive.ph/seE3t

Mike, I know you're not a stupid man, but when it comes to Trump you are willfully ignorant. Trump's endless grifts are out in the open for all to see. There's no secrecy involved, like Biden was constantly accused of.

It is brazen corruption and obvious to anyone not blinded by partisanship. Trump clearly is open for the business of bribery.

In fact, of the many dangers this administration poses for our democratic republic, none seems as great as the deep and corrosive corruption they are engendering throughout the government.

They've gone a long ways towards crippling a competent civil service. Now it seems we can only look forward to a corrupt Putin style oligarchy.

And the Republican Congress is almost entirely supine before the MAGA monster they spent decades creating. And the Supreme Court seems disinclined to rein in the Mad King.

What a mess.

bighairymike: Frankly, I don't see it. You guys make this accusation by spinning everything possible into a grift with no evidence of actual funds going into some secret bank account...

Umm. Just today...

Jan 11 (Reuters) - Saudi real estate developer Dar Global (DARD.L), opens new tab will launch two Trump-branded luxury projects in Riyadh and Jeddah with a combined value of $10 billion, CEO Ziad El Chaar said on Sunday.

The projects include the Trump National Golf Course and Trump International Hotel in Riyadh’s Diriyah, a massive development project on the Saudi capital’s western edge, Chaar told Reuters.

There's nothing secret, nothing hidden. The graft is in plain sight.

I never pegged you as a moron but maybe I was wrong.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dar-glob...

Yawn.

Show me the articles written by the same author(s) complaining about any of Biden's grifting or that of his extended family.

Then we can talk.

Please post specific facts about:

1. What is the specific grift you are accusing Trump of?
2. How much money did he illegally obtain from the grift? What statute(s) do you claim he violated? Chapter and verse please,not paraphrase.
3. What is your source for the factual allegations?
4. Have you personally audited Trump's financial records to confirm your accusations? Has anyone?


Or,as is far more likely--you're just regurgitating propaganda from your usual leftist media and social media sources.

Commonone,

What about "the law" don't you seem to grasp?

There's nothing ILLEGAL about Trump's Saudi deal.

Are you really that stupid?

Yeah I guess so.

Trump's endless grifts are out in the open for all to see. There's no secrecy involved, like Biden was constantly accused of.

Out in the open? How many press releases have been issued by Don Trump Jr.'s "Executive Branch" club in D.C.?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Branch_(club)

"The Executive Branch was first announced in April 2025. The launch party was held on April 26 at the Willard Hotel, following the White House Correspondents' dinner.

It was attended by members of the Trump administration, including Cora Alvi, Paul Atkins, James Blair, Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, Taylor Budowich, Brendan Carr, Andrew Ferguson, Jeff Freeland, Tulsi Gabbard, Karoline Leavitt, Tricia McLaughlin, Mehmet Oz, Alexandra Preate, Marco Rubio, and Stefanie Spear.

Other attendees included "wealthy CEOs, tech founders and policy experts" such as Pace Bradshaw, Adam Foroughi, Alexa Henning, Shawn O'Neail, Garrett Ventry, and Alexa Henning.

Some have expressed concerns over the club's secrecy and ties to the second Trump Administration.... the club enables Donald Trump to "go behind the curtain” so that the public does not know who he is meeting with, “particularly business and tech moguls, who really want access to the power of the throne.”

..... the club "just appears to be a ploy to sell access to Trump and the Trump administration through this private club for wealthy donors."[14] Pelissero has also said,.

No government official should be assisting a business associate in their financial interest. It is unfair and there is a lack of transparency when people are interacting with Trump administration officials in an expensive private club that other people cannot access.”

The wiki page is well documented.

Where is any allegation of actual illegality?

I mean, which federal statute was violated, by who, and how do you know that?


I don't see that anywhere in your post.

Try again when you get an actual brain instead of just regurgitating the same ol same ol social media propaganda from your facebook feed.

80- some posts in this thread.
Still no rationality from the left.

Surprised? Nope.

Dope1,

What's weird is why they become so emotionally invested in someone like Rachel Good.

I mean, you can hate on Donald Trump all you want and you can believe his policies suck and hate ICE etc.

But the woman tried to run over an LEO and got herself killed in the process.

I don't understand what part of Good's behavior they find at all defensible.

Unless of course they're insane enough to think that being politically opposed to Donald Trump's policies gives them license to run over ICE officers.

I guess that's what they do think?

Like I said, weird.

I don't understand what part of Good's behavior they find at all defensible.

Her behavior was non-hostile when she was waiving the ICE vehicles to go around her car. Her behavior was non-hostile when she spoke to the first officer who walked around her car. What I have not seen, is clear video showing how her interaction with the other two officers who approached her car, went so tragically wrong.

Steve

I guess that's what they do think?

Like I said, weird.

They're mad for these reasons:

1. She's not going to be a George Floyd martyr.
They'll get some riots, but because the left was shown to have lied about this from the get-go the riots won't have the intensity they did last time.

2. People are going to question the tactics these "activists" have been deploying around the country.
That means no more fun and games from coast to coast. Their bastardization of civil disobedience has been a farce all along and hopefully now we'll see more of these professionally trained "activists" do some jail time.

3. They really, really wanted their Kent State Moment to sweep democrats to power in November.
The left doesn't care about ICE, the border, any of it. They care about getting power and using it to abuse the right. You'll never meet a more principle-free bunch than the American left. Nihilists to the core, they believe in nothing but their Divine Right to rule over the subjects.

Malignant Narcissists. That's the left to a T. We've got dozens of them on this board. They're a fascinating study.

Oh, one other thing:

50-some libs on this board. There were even more on PA.

Only a few of us.

And yet...they're never able to win. Their bullying tactics, their dogpiles, their putting posters' names in lights...

...and they still continue to be wrong about everything.

It's almost like reality doesn't give a crap about their malignant narcissism! Which it doesn't.

Keep losing, libs. You're good at it.

It's almost like reality doesn't give a crap about their malignant narcissism!

A rabid Trump supporter accuses his political opponents of malignant narcissism.

You’re definitely not qualified to discuss reality.

The problem in this instance is they are trying to defend a woman who deliberately ran down an LEO with her SUV, specifically at the urging of her lesbian lover DRIVE BABY DRIVE.

There are videos showing that whether due to ice on the road or maybe traction control, Rachel Bad was actually spinning her front wheels before she actually started moving forward. So her intention was to massacre the LEO. Imagine how bad she would have hit him if her wheels hadn't spun out for a second or two.

That's why he drew his firearm. He heard her floor the SUV.

Her intention was obviously at least to knock him down with a glancing blow as she was fleeing. She did.

The more I look at the videos, the more I see a hugely narcissistic, self-entitled "Karen", a stereotype that we all run across frequently nowadays. "Where's the effing manager??? I want the MANAGER!!!"

In fact both her and her lover were archetypal Karens.

So ENTITLED. "WHY OF COURSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BLOCK TRAFFIC with my SUV." "Why of Course I have the right to disobey instructions of an LEO." "Why of course I have the right to interfere with ICE operations." "Why of course I have the right to verbally abuse the ICE officers." "Why of course I have the right to gun the engine when the LEO is standing right in front of me--if he doesn't want to get hit, he needs to jump out of the way!!! The road belongs to ME. IT ALL BELONGS TO ME."

These kind of women who drive these SUVs are commonly, very bad, terrible drivers. But they think because they are sitting up high in a big SUV they "rule the road." GET OUT OF MY WAY. It's like the Homer Simpson cartoon where he gets the Canyonero or whatever they called it--a giant SUV and he just runs over EVERYTHING in his path.

The lesbian lover is obviously cut from the same mold.

The most entitled, spoiled, toxic type of people in the entire WORLD.

Remember, the dead woman who was so "wonderful" somehow lost custody of her two older children. What an angel. What a saint.

The only thing to be said in her defense is she clearly appears to have indicators of having fetal alcohol syndrome in her facial features. So maybe she's just kind of stupid and was easily led and manipulated by her lesbian lover and psychotic lefty loonatik comrades.

We still haven't gotten any explanation from the lesbian lover, or anyone else, as to why the lesbian lover had exited the vehicle yet Rachel Bad was still driving in it.

The lesbian lover was taking cell phone video of the entire encounter. I'll bet the lesbian lover put Rachel up to the entire thing, but the lesbian lover wanted to ensure she herself wouldn't be detained.

The lesbian lover was playing it smart, right up until she committed felony murder by screaming "DRIVE BABY DRIVE." She wanted to make a murderer and a martyr out of Rachel Good but things didn't quite turn out as planned.

Dope1 is not "rabid" though.

As in, he doesn't have rabies, and he isn't frothing at the mouth with irrationality just because you label him incorrectly.

You can't respond to any of his arguments on their merits.

You don't live in reality.

Is it O.K. if a demented leftist Karen runs you over with her SUV?

Yes or No.

I don't suppose you give a shit about the billions that Trump is corruptly stealing from our country.

Oh, not to worry ges, President Trump gave it all to me for safe keeping.
I have a BIG mattress. 🤑

She's not going to be a George Floyd martyr

What? ? ? ? ? You mean they are not going to name a street after her? ? ? ? 😥

We still haven't gotten any explanation from the lesbian lover, or anyone else, as to why the lesbian lover had exited the vehicle yet Rachel Bad was still driving in it.

The lesbian lover was taking cell phone video of the entire encounter. I'll bet the lesbian lover put Rachel up to the entire thing, but the lesbian lover wanted to ensure she herself wouldn't be detained.

The lesbian lover was playing it smart, right up until she committed felony murder by screaming "DRIVE BABY DRIVE." She wanted to make a murderer and a martyr out of Rachel Good but things didn't quite turn out as planned.

Yep, shades of THELMA & LOUISE....

We still haven't gotten any explanation from the lesbian lover, or anyone else, as to why the lesbian lover had exited the vehicle yet Rachel Bad was still driving in it.

The lesbian lover was taking cell phone video of the entire encounter. I'll bet the lesbian lover put Rachel up to the entire thing, but the lesbian lover wanted to ensure she herself wouldn't be detained.

The lesbian lover was playing it smart, right up until she committed felony murder by screaming "DRIVE BABY DRIVE." She wanted to make a murderer and a martyr out of Rachel Good but things didn't quite turn out as planned.

How many times can one writer write the words “lesbian lover” in three paragraphs?

"The problem in this instance is they are trying to defend a woman who deliberately ran down an LEO with her SUV, specifically at the urging of her lesbian lover DRIVE BABY DRIVE." - Marco the Russian Clown

Posting a lie over and over doesn't make it true.

It just makes you look like an even bigger idiot because you refuse to see the obvious.

It was clear from the video and the surrounding witnesses that she didn't deliberately run down a LEO. In fact she never made contact with them.

Weak Russians are such a joke.

How many times can one writer write the words “lesbian lover” in three paragraphs?

I was beginning to feel let down by our resident RWNJs. I was sure the lesbian angle was going to be brought up sooner than this.

Is it a competition?

How many times can one writer write the words “lesbian lover” in three paragraphs?

Seems like an obsession. Maybe he finds the thought titillating?

4. Have you personally audited Trump's financial records to confirm your accusations? Has anyone?

I have personally seen what has been released. He is the *definition* of a grifter.

What is the best definition of grifter?

A grifter is a con artist: someone who swindles people out of money through fraud. If there's one type of person you don't want to trust, it's a grifter: someone who cheats others out of money. Grifters are also known as chiselers, defrauders, gougers, scammers, swindlers, and flim-flam men.

the left was shown to have lied about this from the get-go

Yet you still have no proof. What a surprise.

Murder in MN is a state crime, so Spankee has ZERO power to interfere.

You don't live in reality.

You are living in *some* "reality", it just isn't in THIS universe.

Alien go home.... Or else ICE !!!

So the answer is no, you haven't seen Trump's financial records. Got it.

you haven't seen Trump's financial records.

Read what I wrote--not what you hallucinated.

Spankee does NOT have or keep "financial records". Spankee has NOT "seen Trump's financial records."

No banks have seen them. Nobody has seen what does not exist.

Which is why everyone knows he is a fraud, better known as a grifter.

It was knowable via broadcast public television 20 yrs ago, and it has NOT changed. What IS interesting is your lack of ability to SEE HE IS A SCAMMER/GRIFTER.

jerryab,

You admit you do not have minimal necessary factual information to determine the truth of your claims.

You proclaim that the absence of evidence is proof of the conspiracy.

You're a paranoid schizophrenic.

You admit you do not have minimal necessary factual information to determine the truth of your claims.

Who needs facts? The RWNJ Congress AND Supreme Court do not--therefore, WHO NEEDS FACTS?

Found those WMDs in Iraq yet?

How about Spankee's "Healthcare Plan" from 2016?

Prices in the US are EXTREMELY HIGH DUE TO SPANKEE. <-<-<- FACT (OOPS !!).

You do, jerry ab.

You need facts.

Desperately.

You need facts.

I have the facts.

The real-world reality in *this* universe does not fit in your hallucinations of reality.

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