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Author: commonone 🐝🐝 BRONZE
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Subject: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/16/25 10:12 PM
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A few minutes ago, Trumpedo said that House republicans should vote to release the Epstein files because he has nothing to hide and that's it's a hoax.

Of course, he also said that "the House Oversight Committee can have whatever they are legally entitled to."

So his gambit is to have his justice department keep the files under wraps as they "conduct investigations" that he demanded, much like his successful ploy to keep his federal taxes hidden because he was "being audited."

Perhaps the Epstein Estate will get fed up with all this bullshit and just release the files.

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Author: AlphaWolf 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/16/25 10:48 PM
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Of course, he also said that "the House Oversight Committee can have whatever they are legally entitled to."

Just saw that news, too.

My guess is that Republicans and anyone who bribed … er, I mean donated to Trump would have their names redacted.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/16/25 11:03 PM
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In reversal, Trump says House Republicans should vote to release Epstein files

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/articles/many...

I was going to post something along the lines of "TACO Sunday".

Steve
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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 6:39 AM
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Perhaps the Epstein Estate will get fed up with all this bullshit and just release the files.

That makes me wonder why they haven't. If they are trying to force Trump to do the right thing, that is a lost cause. What other reasons might they have for not making them all available to the public?
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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 6:42 AM
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Allison Gill, was speculating that the renewed DOJ investigation is a ploy to say that since there is an ongoing investigation the files can not be released.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 9:52 AM
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Trump stating that the House Committee should vote to get whatever they are legally entitled to is perfectly appropriate.

Many of the records at issue may contain confidential or privileged information, or may have been obtained by or provided to the DOJ pursuant to binding court orders or confidentiality agreements.

Further, individuals named in the files may have a legal right (depending on what stautory authorities and DOJ or other regulations may be applicable) to challenge the release of portions of the files or raw data contained therein in a court proceeding.

There should be nothing at all surprising about this. We are all in favor of the Rule of Law, aren't we?

As only one purely hypothetical example, suppose one of the victims confidential medical information is included in the files. Why should confidential medical information which may be in the files be released to the House Committee willy nilly?

As another example, given people like Massie are talking about wanting persons named in the file to be prosecuted, there is absolutely no way the DOJ would want files which may be used in a potential prosecution to be released to Congress (and then leaked to the media obviously at the whim of whatever politician thinks that leak will benefit themselves, politically).

Let the House do whatever it is going to do about this, and allow legal processes to play out accordingly.

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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 10:00 AM
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Why hasn't the Epstein Estate just done a total file dump of everything it has?

The most obvious reason is the Estate is a legal entity which is subject to being sued for defamation.

The Executor and Lawyers for the Estate have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not particular contents of the files or whatever they have are true or false.

A mass file dump to Congress or the public absent a valid subpoena or legislation immunizing the Estate from defamation claims could easily be regarded as "reckless indifference" to the truth or falsity of what is being released, and therefore, even if the alleged defamation involves "public figures," may constitute a jury issue on the issue of "actual malice."

The liability to any person or entity recklessly releasing defamatory materials would be astronomical.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 10:00 AM
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Many of the records at issue may contain confidential or privileged information, or may have been obtained by or provided to the DOJ pursuant to binding court orders or confidentiality agreements.

Indeed. There are certainly "national security" issues involved, in exposing that people at the highest levels in the US are being blackmailed by the Israeli regime.

Steve
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 10:25 AM
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Steve,

You need to stop emulating Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes and Zohran Mamdani.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 10:47 AM
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You need to stop emulating Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes and Zohran Mamdani.


Oh, that's right. Carlson was on the Mossad angle before a lot of others.

Was Jeffrey Epstein A Mossad Agent? Tucker Carlson Drops Shocking Claim | Trump | US News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qjwtp52Boo

Just because Carleson is a conspiracy nut, doesn't mean he's wrong, in this case.

My scenario: Mossad, already familiar with her, because her father was a Mossad agent, took advantage of Maxwell's depression, grief, and reduced financial condition, to recruit her, to recruit a NYC sex pervert, to run a honey pot, sounds really reasonable. How else did these two, both with ties to the highest levels of the Israeli government, find each-other? You don't need to be Ian Fleming to see that.

We made find the truth, eventually.

Would Israel try to nobble the US? Pollard sold a lot of information to Israel. What did they do about it?

from the net sifter:

Yes, Israel returned some documents to the U.S. but kept many that were highly incriminating and withheld others that were the originals. The Israeli government did not report Pollard to the U.S. government; instead, it was the U.S. government that discovered and prosecuted the case.

Documents returned: Israel returned "a number of documents," though most were reportedly below the level of top secret and did not include the most damaging information.

Documents not returned: The U.S. did not get all the documents back, and some were described as being too incriminating or were originals that Israel refused to return.

Pollard's prosecution: The U.S. government, not Israel, discovered and prosecuted Jonathan Pollard for espionage.

Israel's role: Israel did not report Pollard to the U.S. government; rather, it was reported that Israel had employed Pollard as an intelligence operative.

Other information: There is some evidence that Israel may have traded some of the stolen information to other countries, and the U.S. government has not released the full extent of the damage caused by Pollard's espionage


Seems like a good ally would ring up the FBI and say "you guys have a huge security leak. we will be returning the materials he is selling, unopened, via diplomatic pouch, so you can bust him up"

Steve
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 10:55 AM
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Steve 203,

What happened? Did some Jewish kid beat you up in 3rd grade?
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 11:17 AM
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Seen online:

Why does Trump need to support the House vote to release the Epstein files? Can't he just order their release himself?
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 11:24 AM
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The most obvious reason is the Estate is a legal entity which is subject to being sued for defamation.


Nahh, the most obvious reason is that the bulk of the records were seized by the Federal government and are in its possession.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What Congress is "Legally Entitled To".
Date: 11/17/25 11:36 AM
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Lapsody,

Wow it's a good thing there is no such thing as "copies."

You're a regular Einstein bro.
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