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Well, I started out a detractor....after all, it was the same old non diverse greedy Club 401K with their free government money and EV virtue signaling. And then - back when I wasn't sitting around doing nothing, I had a serious, serious business philosophical beef with Musk.


BUt....lately.....

I gotta say, I listen.

And - well, I wish I could shake his hand.

I gotta say, I listen.

And - well, I wish I could shake his hand.

Listen to what? What makes you wish you could shake his hand?

EchotaSheeple: BUt....lately.....

I gotta say, I listen.

And - well, I wish I could shake his hand.

Shake his hand for what, Mr. Dopple? For mainstreaming Hitler, Nazis, and antisemitism on X?

IBM has said it has pulled its global advertising from Elon Musk’s X following a report that the social media platform ran the tech company’s adverts alongside pro-Nazi material, in a fresh blow to the company’s efforts to bring back sales revenues. 

How long before the likely exodus from X by other advertisers drops X's valuation below $5B?

Takes a real genius to turn a $40 billion iconic brand into a $5 billion asset.

https://www.ft.com/content/647b4c4d-f4d5-46cd-bc26...

Listen to what? What makes you wish you could shake his hand?
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Freedom of expression. Stating opinions that some might consider taboo, or just plain wrong.

Also, while I was never big into the "EV" thing....

Way back when before I was a total nobody, I sort of had a business issue with Musk's company. Quite frankly - I lost. Of course I was never a big enough shot to ever deal with Musk, but I'd say I was chatting with oh, 4 reporting levels under Musk. I thought I was making progress towards a certain goal but Musk and his people - well, couldn't be budged. Truthfully, I'd probably be realistically 5-7 million ahead today had they not stuck to their guns :). So , I was a bit sour on the Musk phenomenon, and also, turned off by the Liberal 401K'ers all happy about their EV vanity and Musk worship.

But I have no choice to admit, whatever his quirks are - man, larger than life - and a visionary. Geez now I sit around the house, and my biggest endeavor is flipping a house every 6 months and planning family vacations. I take pride in organizing myself to be a "low income American" lol. I could've really "gone for it", but didn't. THIS guy Musk - he says "I'm gonna start an EV company". "I'm gonna do rockets' - and shit, he does it. Larger than life, and a mentality so superior to my own.

So for these reasons I am intrigued by him.

But, I fear he will piss off the wrong crowd here. He best be careful.

Other men, more powerful than him - have gone down that road and failed.

It's still a generation before tentacles and wings get cut.

But, the day - is coming.

hake his hand for what, Mr. Dopple? For mainstreaming Hitler, Nazis, and antisemitism on X?
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Liberals mainstream Hitler all the time.

Bush was Hitler.

Patriot Act, was Hitler.

Trump, is Hitler.

You people watered down a man who tried to exterminate Jewish people......too petty term limited Presidents.

YOU casualized Hitler.

And I am so glad to see the new generation in America and around the world, thinking and talking a certain way.

You deserve that and I will help promote it in tiny ways .

Dopple? Nope, just using the name of an intolerant Putz from TMF :)

Baaaaaaaa

Takes a real genius to turn a $40 billion iconic brand into a $5 billion asset.

If Trump could bankruptcy a casino and still get elected POTUS, why not Musk (obviously his nationality precludes the possibility unless Trump gets reelected and somehow anoints him).

Freedom of expression. Stating opinions that some might consider taboo, or just plain wrong.

Why does that make you want to shake his hand, though? There's nothing admirable about stating terrible opinions. Freedom of speech is a laudable ideal for a society - but the individuals who are saying terrible things are just terrible people.

Saying terrible things because society lets you doesn't make you brave, daring, or noble. It just makes you an awful person. Society gives you the freedom to say terrible things because we don't want government to be in the business of deciding what's permissible or not - but if you choose to exercise that freedom in a terrible way, you're just a bad person.

Freedom of expression. Stating opinions that some might consider taboo, or just plain wrong.

Why does that make you want to shake his hand, though? There's nothing admirable about stating terrible opinions. Freedom of speech is a laudable ideal for a society - but the individuals who are saying terrible things are just terrible people.

Saying terrible things because society lets you doesn't make you brave, daring, or noble. It just makes you an awful person. Society gives you the freedom to say terrible things because we don't want government to be in the business of deciding what's permissible or not - but if you choose to exercise that freedom in a terrible way, you're just a bad person.
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I didn't say he's brave or daring.

And, you ignored my other reasons, so, I can only give you the same quality response.

Either way, a Genie *is* out of the bottle now......

From Brussels to Harvard..... it ain't just Gaza and Tora Bora...NO-MO as the kids say.

Takes a real genius to turn a $40 billion iconic brand into a $5 billion asset.
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Here's what the Academic-401K types from BAAAAAAAAAA university don't understand.

Musk won't miss a meal even if "X" goes to zero.

Mostly in all his businesses, he's risked money that belonged to the Putz American taxpayers, and a bevy of investors.

Musk won't be waiting tables anytime soon.

So tell the Professor, go back to to the Schwab chart, attend a college symposium, but -- - look at the real world. Musk is using other people's money.

What, board kicks him out?

Ok.

He'll be living ok.

And, you ignored my other reasons, so, I can only give you the same quality response.

Because your other reasons weren't germane to the post I was responding to. You specifically said that you didn't admire him for building Tesla. You actually disdained that. You said: "Well, I started out a detractor....after all, it was the same old non diverse greedy Club 401K with their free government money and EV virtue signaling."

But then, you listened. And that made you want to shake his hand. Something he said made you want to shake his hand.

What was it? What was it he said that made you write a post saying you wanted to shake his hand today, when you didn't want to in the past?

What was it? What was it he said that made you write a post saying you wanted to shake his hand today, when you didn't want to in the past?
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Where did I say I didn't want to shake his hand in the past?

Where did I say I didn't want to shake his hand in the past?

You said: "Well, I started out a detractor....after all, it was the same old non diverse greedy Club 401K with their free government money and EV virtue signaling."

It's only "lately" that you "listened" to something he said. Something that made you want to shake his hand.

What was the something that you "listened" to "lately" that makes you want to shake his hand, when you were a "detractor" back when he had simply built the EV car company?

"Lately" I've come to appreciate his work ethic, vision, and toughness.

"Lately", yes I've been listening.

Just one example....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyW4O469IuY


Love what he said about being unafraid to express himself.

Also, "lately" I heard a foreign government (one who usually doesn't give a shit about Western Bullying)....is asking Elon for a Tesla Factory and Tesla told them - get rid of auto tariffs. It's nice to see a man talk to a government like that.


There's a few lately......

What was the something that you "listened" to "lately" that makes you want to shake his hand...

Just a guess, but given the timing of this comment and the way he is trying to dance around answering your very plain and direct question, it may be he likes Musk promoting an antisemitic post on X.

I'm sooooo glad I waited to buy a Tesla, so that I didn't have to buy a Tesla. I bought an ID4 (VW).

Saw a bumper sticker on a Tesla a few weeks ago...it said "I bought it before I knew about him". I thought it was funny.

<it maybe he likes Musk promoting an antisemitic post on X.>

Maybe?!

Oh Wilton, please pull your skirt down your xenophobia is showing!

Love what he said about being unafraid to express himself.

But why?

It's not brave to say dumb and hateful things. It's not a noble trait. Being unafraid to express terrible thoughts isn't a good thing in a person. It's almost always a bad thing.

I think it's telling that Musk, early in that interview, makes an allusion to "freedom of speech" - which of course has nothing to do with the question of whether it's good or smart or wise for him to be saying terrible things. But people who say terrible things often will cite "freedom of speech." I think that's because "freedom of speech" is a noble and wonderful human right, and so they then jump to the fallacy of thinking that since the right that allows them to say terrible things is noble and wonderful that it somehow makes their choice to exercise that right to say those specific things has some nobility, or bravery, or even defensibility.

But it doesn't. Being unafraid to say terrible things just makes someone a jerk. Being unafraid to endorse someone else's anti-semitic posts isn't noble or brave...it's just a terrible thing to do. Sometimes the things that are protected by your freedom to express yourself are things that no decent person would actually say.

So why does this make you want to shake Musk's hand? Do you think the things he's saying are okay?

Maybe?!

Oh Wilton, please pull your skirt down your xenophobia is showing!
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I merely answered a question directly, as I always do.

As far as my skirt, this is not the venue for your fantasizing, though I'm flattered.

I've answered directly, and provided even a sacred link to something he "lately" said, and coupled that along with realization of his business prowess as reasons to shake his hand.

BTW....

One man's jerk, is another's hero.

Just like during 9-11, the TMF taught us that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

No "black and white".

This reminds me of kindergarten, we'd ask "why" after everything lol.


"So why does this make you want to shake Musk's hand? Do you think the things he's saying are okay?"

I'd like to shake hands with President Obama, Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders - even though I don't agree with all they say.

I don't need 100% ideological or rhetorical perfection to respect someone's point of view, or guts to express it.


Add to the "lately" list: LA Times, U Penn, Obama.

I've answered directly, and provided even a sacred link to something he "lately" said,

You haven't answered directly. That clip was from five months ago - none of that was "lately." Why did that prompt you to write your post now? Even then, you didn't say whether any of his affirmative statements (his aspersions against George Soros, his claim that the mass shooting was "psyops") were anything you thought were worthy of having his hand shaken.

Is there something Musk has said recently - within the time period that would prompt you to write a new post, entitled "ELON," solely about how he had said something lately that had caused you to shift away from being a detractor to wanting to shake his hand?

Did a quick search of what Elon has been saying recently. All I found was this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67446800

Apparently the European Commission is pulling all their ads from "X" as a result.

How are you arbiter on what I consider "lately"? You're not.

Lately can be 5 months, 5 minutes, heck it can be 10 years if compared to human history.

So play word games all you like, the Iron Felix act I was used to a long time back.

In the mean time, here's to Elon Musk for speaking up as he pleases.

In your link he said something was "an actual truth"..... from his point of view, it maybe.

I still love what he told Faber on CNBC, that he is fine with speaking out.

How are you arbiter on what I consider "lately"? You're not.

Lately can be 5 months, 5 minutes, heck it can be 10 years if compared to human history.

I'm not an arbiter.

But are you genuinely saying that it was this interview, from more than more than five months ago, that prompted you to write this post today?

albaby1: You haven't answered directly.

EchotaSheeple has posted 19 times today and hasn't written one word worth reading. Right now, he's just trolling you. You have the patience of a saint but I suspect your patience will not be rewarded.

I'm not an arbiter.
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I know.

And lately, can easily mean months ago. Some people might use 'lately' to talk about a collection of things in recent times.

"But are you genuinely saying that it was this interview, from more than more than five months ago, that prompted you to write this post today?"


In a 20+ year posting history, on any given day I would write about a politician, a burger meal, a movie scene, a clip from a presidential debate - could be all the same day or hour. So I don't need a "prompting" to write something.

Now I just scratched my ass. I guess that was promoted by having an itch. Not a hobby otherwise.

EchotaSheeple has posted 19 times today and hasn't written one word worth reading. Right now, he's just trolling you. You have the patience of a saint but I suspect your patience will not be rewarded.
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I can't tell you how many times you've posted today.

Oh wait, I can't.

But, obsess over me all you like.

Back to topic....

Handshake for Elon.

EchotaSheeple has posted 19 times today and hasn't written one word worth reading. Right now, he's just trolling you. You have the patience of a saint but I suspect your patience will not be rewarded.
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Trolled nobody.

I wrote about a public figure, attacked not one person here.

As usual, others made it about *me*.

Please keep going.... more more more.

And lately, can easily mean months ago. Some people might use 'lately' to talk about a collection of things in recent times.

I'm not asking you generically, or philosophically - I'm asking you just a question about what prompted you to write your post.

Was that interview what prompted you to write your post today?

I'm not asking you generically, or philosophically - I'm asking you just a question about what prompted you to write your post.

Was that interview what prompted you to write your post today?
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Other than something like a 9-11, or obvious big thing like that.....I don't think I'm "prompted" to write about something on any given day. For instance, many times on TMF I used to write about election 1992 (I loved that year....still read about it to this day vis a vis the election".....even though it was 20+ years later I wrote about it. Nothing has to "prompt" me to write anything at any given time.

But it was a splendid interview, and I loved that part of it especially.

Of course, if someone asks what prompted big loud pro Palestinian demonstrations in Liberal Blue Bastions......many Liberals either don't reply, or say 'blah blah Trump rapist 1/6".

Like I've said, the Woke Left - can speak for me.

(Unless they want to stand up and say, oh crap, we've got this one way wrong) - that oddly for sure "prompt" a post from me. But such posts from them have never come.....

EchotaSheeple has posted 19 times today and hasn't written one word worth reading

I've taken to skipping his posts as they are almost always WORTHLESS.

If I see them it is when someone replies to him. Albaby has patiently and methodically skewered him.

I don't think I'm "prompted" to write about something on any given day.

But clearly you were thinking of something that Elon had said when you wrote the post.

Was it that interview?

I don't think I'm "prompted" to write about something on any given day.

But clearly you were thinking of something that Elon had said when you wrote the post.

Was it that interview?
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Yes absolutely, that was what I was thinking of when I wrote that post, but also - even though you discount it which is fine ..... I was also thinking of the stuff the guy has sought out to accomplish, and has. I frankly have zilch interest in EVs - but I do admit, he did it. That, plus when he told Faber he (in effect) didn't care about money when he is speaking - yeah, AWESOME.

I was probably thinking of a girl on girl scene or a steak in the back of my mind too.



On another note, I wonder what Upenn and so many woke campuses were thinking of when they had huge loud rallies, recently. But - they won't be asked about it like me.

Which is ok.

Capable people - seem to be on the job.

EchotaSheeple has posted 19 times today and hasn't written one word worth reading

I've taken to skipping his posts as they are almost always WORTHLESS.

If I see them it is when someone replies to him. Albaby has patiently and methodically skewered him.
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Trump!

Yes absolutely, that was what I was thinking of when I wrote that post, but also - even though you discount it which is fine

Seems....unlikely, to me. But I'm just glad that it wasn't anything else - because what Musk has said "lately" is execrable.

Seems....unlikely, to me.



Cool. Others before me have been falsely accused of this or that. No I'm not Ivan the Terrible, though a man was falsely accused of that too.


I saw on this board probably a few hours ago about Elon losing advertisers for what he tweeted and also commented on the losing of advertisers.

It's his right to say what he pleases, and it's certainly the right of advertisers to drop him too.

No different than people dropping a beer or a department store. In America, we all have those choices.

The Woke Left.....seems fine with certain opinions being raised. It's not me staging those rallies nor running those campuses.

It's the Left.

And I'm glad they are not held to account by Liberals on this board.

Hello Echota/Wilton,
Did you actually lose your job at Target or was that story a fabrication?
Thanks

Hello Echota/Wilton,
Did you actually lose your job at Target or was that story a fabrication?
Thanks
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Union rules, I' won't look for the post.

But I dont remember mentioning any job at Target.

Although some Target workers lost jobs due to Blue City Crime.

Hopefully one of them.....finds something to do with his spare time.....

I'm sooooo glad I waited to buy a Tesla, so that I didn't have to buy a Tesla. I bought an ID4 (VW).
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German - interesting.

And of course, non UAW. Here's to the "workers" in America that the Whole Foods people fake about when it suits their ends.

I saw on this board probably a few hours ago about Elon losing advertisers for what he tweeted and also commented on the losing of advertisers.

Well, at least you're being candid.

But one would never be supportive of someone who is losing advertisers for what he tweeted unless you knew what the tweets were. He has the right to tweet what he wants - but if he tweeted something that you think is horrible and that you think deserved to have advertisers flee, it wouldn't improve your opinion of him. Though if he tweeted something that others react to, but that you think was a good tweet, that might improve your opinion of him.

What say you? Do you think what he tweeted deserved opprobrium?

Hello Echota/Wilton,
Did you actually lose your job at Target or was that story a fabrication?
Thanks

Echota/Wilton has been asked this very question a number of times by now. But this (ahem) clear-thinking, articulate poster doesn't seem to have felt any need to answer.

And lately, can easily mean months ago. Some people might use 'lately' to talk about a collection of things in recent times.

"But you and I, we’ve been through that, and this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late”

Elon openly endorses anti-semitism and you admire that. Why won't you admit yours?

Elon openly endorses anti-semitism and you admire that. Why won't you admit yours?
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Cause I'm not.

I am merely allowing Woke Left to speak for me, and applauding them.

If anyone truly wants to go after them from the Left here....lemme know.

I know, I'm an easier target compared to YOUR side.

Deal with it.

Go Upenn!!! Go Columbia!!!! Go LA Times! Go Macron!

Call me anti semetic if you wish, heck you people equate Hitler to Bush.... no biggie if you accuse me of anti semitism.

You have watered down the seriousness and evil of it very badly.

Now, live with it.

Now back to topic.....

Here's to Mr Musk for speaking and not being afraid to speak.

And anyone else of any political persuasion for any reason.

Even gif I don't like what you say, I support your right to say it.

Go France. Go Brussels.

Here's to Mr Musk for speaking and not being afraid to speak.

Again - why?

There's nothing brave about him saying something loathsome on the media platform he owns. There's nothing praiseworthy about doing an appalling thing because you don't care about the consequences.

Your esteem for him should not increase after he does something terrible. You shouldn't be praising him - offering him a metaphorical toast - for doing something detestable. Why are you?

Where did I say he's brave?

There are terrible people in the world. They commit overt acts of violence against others.

Speaking your mind,IMO, regardless of whether I or society agrees with what you say, does not make you a terrible person.

No one on earth is so perfect that they don't occasionally say something that they would like to have back. Myself included.

I can conclusively say, from where I stand, that EM is not a terrible person.

Gator1984: Speaking your mind,IMO, regardless of whether I or society agrees with what you say, does not make you a terrible person.

In this case, it kinda' does, though.

Or are you saying that Musk endorsing an antisemitic conspiracy suggesting Jews "push hatred" against white people is just fine? And he's shown no signs that he "would like to have back" that endorsement.

So I'm gonna' go with "terrible person".

EchotaSheeple has posted 19 times today and hasn't written one word worth reading.

I blocked the pathetic poster. He's thrilled to have albaby for a penpal.

It's the most attention EchotaSheeple has had since his Mom rented out his bedroom and he had to move into the basement.

Speaking your mind,IMO, regardless of whether I or society agrees with what you say, does not make you a terrible person.

If a person says things that compel others to do terrible things, and does it without remorse, and does it repeatedly... that is a terrible person.

EchotaSheeple has posted 19 times today and hasn't written one word worth reading.

I blocked the pathetic poster.


And so have I! As I had eventually done with Wilton. My ability to tolerate the craziness he spews was bled completely dry.

Paging Taylor.....

Not a fan of your music even though I had to take my kid to your show.

But Taylor, how do you deal with it 24/7?

I know how you feel hon :)

And so have I! As I had eventually done with Wilton. My ability to tolerate the craziness he spews was bled completely dry.
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MAGA types- so intolerant. Wanna stay in their own red hat silos.

That might be Q Shaman. LOL

I can conclusively say, from where I stand, that EM is not a terrible person.

Well, that does it then. Gator has ruled conclusively that a terrible person is not a terrible person.

Where did I say he's brave?

You accidentally switched among your many dopple accounts - responding to the one you've been using in this conversation, so it doesn't get lost.

You raised a virtual toast to him, citing the fact that he was "unafraid." Which is why I pointed out that saying terrible things doesn't make you brave.

Seriously, EchotaSheeple. Musk said a terrible thing about jews, and within a few hours after Musk said the terrible thing about Jews you're posting that you "listened" to him and indicating that it increased the esteem in which you hold him. I know that when you're using these dopple accounts, it's mostly about performance and ribbing people....but jeez. You might want to take a look at yourself and ask why Musk saying something terrible about jews led you to make that post.

Where did I say he's brave? under and doppel?

Seriously, I again raise a virtual toast to him for being unafraid to speak.

And I absolutely loved when he told Faber just as much.

To me, and sorry - but you aren't able to control what opinions I can have - - I feel it IS unafraid to speak out and say one doesn't care about the economic consequences in this world where mere words can cost someone their career, business, etc.

I'd try to answer your charges - but those charges, you can stuff it. Go find someone else to wrongfully target.

Doesn't work on me.

But, I can give you list of Leftists to start in on -

Or not.

Cause I'm not.

I am merely allowing Woke Left to speak for me, and applauding them.

No. It appears you like playing games. As I say, it makes you feel alive.

I am merely allowing Woke Left to speak for me, and applauding them.

No. It appears you like playing games. As I say, it makes you feel alive.
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Make it about *me* all you like, Liberal Lynch Mobs are good at that.

But there's much more fun and bigger stuff than me at play.


back to topic.....that AntiSemite Liberals want to deny: (The charge, like Naziism is cheapened and watered down and tossed around by the Left, so let's all just endorse that. it's like calling someone a dummy. It's casual.)


Here's to Woke Left. CNN. MSNBC. Here's to Penn. Columbia. Here's to Tlaib. To Ellison. To Harvard. (Yeah, aol MAGA run institutions lol)

Here's to Liberal silence and participation in BOYCOTT, DIVEST.

No games at all. With me, one gets it blunt and straight: Handshake for Mr Musk.

And who knows, maybe all these Liberal groups.

Liberals don't seem to mind them - - why should I.

"Ukraine!" here's to all the CEOs that trotted out their slogans - but were silent when Hamas did what a certain "peaceful faith" does.

But hey, focus on me.

You'll miss the rest of the world - and it's soon gonna be too late to rein it in.

I can conclusively say, from where I stand, that EM is not a terrible person.

One might reasonably surmise you are standing in the equivalent of an Auschwitz guard tower.

can conclusively say, from where I stand, that EM is not a terrible person.

One might reasonably surmise you are standing in the equivalent of an Auschwitz guard tower.
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ONCE AGAIN, Naziism and Holocaust - cheapened and watered down to nothing.

Someone online - merely stating a person NONE of us knows is not terrible..........is the equivalent, of donning a rifle, and look over a crowd you know is about to be literally slaughtered like animals.


Once again, focus on *me* all you like......but real problem, is on the Left.

But hey, I'm no longer fighting it.

Yeah, standing guard, making sure Jewish Human Beings get their turn to die.....is about as big a deal as saying someone you never met is not a terrible person. Both are the same.

Ummm, ok. I won't fight it anymore.

It's time to completely endorse it, and peddle it.

Where did I say he's brave? under and doppel?

Seriously, I again raise a virtual toast to him for being unafraid to speak.

I don’t think you seriously wanted to get into an extended discussion over whether the terms “brave” and “unafraid” are synonyms. So if you prefer, just go back and reread my comments with the term unafraid instead.

Musk’s statement was a horrible thing about Jews. It’s not praiseworthy to say horrible thing about Jews. Being unafraid to say a horrible thing about jews is not praiseworthy, either. Whether or someone is praiseworthy when they are unafraid to speak depends heavily on whether their speech itself deserves praise or calumny. The fact that you felt the desire to express positive things when you heard about what Musk said says a lot.

Noting that something is just an opinion, and that you have the right to have opinions, is not much of a defense. There are people in the world whose opinion is that Black people are subhuman and deserve to be enslaved. That is just an opinion, and they are entitled to have their opinion, and it is a loathsome opinion, and they are terrible for holding it.

Believing that Musk deserves praise for saying something terrible about Jews is, indeed, just an opinion. It doesn’t reflect well that this is the opinion you seem to have.

Sorry, I am not playing defense.

Just reiterating...... handshake for Musk.


Where did I say Musk is to be praised for saying terrible things about Jews?


False accusation.

Again.

What's next? I've got WMDs and there should be a war in my home?


Back to topic....

Handshake List: MUSK CNN MSNBC COLUMBIA HARVARD U PENN.....more to be added to the list, tons more, I am positive

back to topic.....that AntiSemite Liberals want to deny: (The charge, like Naziism is cheapened and watered down and tossed around by the Left, so let's all just endorse that. it's like calling someone a dummy. It's casual.)

That wasn't the topic. The topic was that you initially didn't care for Musk, but now that he's endorsed snti-semitism, you seem to want to shake his hand. But you fake a nuance by pretending it's about speaking out.

Seems like you just want to stir the bucket.

There are real communists in the world and they will let you know they're communists, I've met a couple. However, I don't know anyone who professes to be a Nazi. Even if they have Nazi memorabilia, a small collection of Nazi themed books, and pictures of Nazis.

Where did I say Musk is to be praised for saying terrible things about Jews?

Listen, person behind the character of WiltonKnight/LandySeeSee/EchotaSheeple:

You came on the this board a few hours after Musk said terrible things about Jews, and said you had listened to him and wanted to shake his hand. When pressed, you doubled down on that sentiment and raised a metaphorical toast to him for being "unafraid" to say the terrible things about Jews.

I know that part of the shtick you engage in is deliberate performative vagueness. Your online character - across all your several dopples - is someone who speaks in code, references, and allusion. That character deliberately says things using metaphor and intimations that express tone and opinion, but are unclear and undefined. That way your persona always has a dodge - since the online character never says anything definitive, they can always claim not to have said any particular at all. Because your online character isn't written to have a conversation, to actually engage in real discussion with real people on the internet - just to be provocative.

But what you can't hide as part of your online character are the choices that you make as the author. Your editorial decisions. You chose to make a post about Musk that was laudatory in tone and content immediately after he said horrible things about Jews. And that is deeply revealing about you, author behind all those dopples. Your choice to respond to Musk's loathsome speech by putting words of esteem into your Wilton/Landy/ESheeple character's mouth. All that meta W/L/ES character stuff aside, you - the author - decided to post something nice about Elon Musk because he said terrible things about Jews, to "raise a virtual toast" to Musk for being unafraid to say terrible things about Jews.

You're absolutely right that I cannot control what opinions you have, real person behind these fictional online personas. What I can do is know what those opinions are, not by what your online dopples say, but by the choices that you make in having them say it. And I - like all people - can name as reprehensible your choices that are reprehensible. Your choice to make a laudatory post about Elon Musk's horrible speech about Jews - and your decision to keep lauding his terrible speech about Jews for being "unafraid" - are reprehensible choices.

hat wasn't the topic. The topic was that you initially didn't care for Musk, but now that he's endorsed snti-semitism, you seem to want to shake his hand. But you fake a nuance by pretending it's about speaking out.
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I never praised him for endorsing anti semitism. I actually stated my reasons for praising him and those who hav e excused out and out anti semitism from the Woke Left find me an easy target which is fine.



I'm fine with the accusations though.

I'd just say - - if someone is concerned about anti semitism - maybe whole Leftist institutions should be their concern, not me.

But hey, keep the eyes off the ball longer.....it's worked well so far lol.

The difference between me and you, may be that I see the world as 99% well intended. You may have a lower percentage in mind.

I think it is clear that the world is a better place for having Elon in the fold.

By the way, my family is jewish and I don't own Tesla stock.

However, I believe that Elon is a net benefit to society.

Please stop attacking me for offering my right to my views in this world. I am not attacking you.

That is one of the main reasons Elon deserves praise. At the risk to personal attacks, he has championed free speech for himself and others. Isn't that what America is all about!

Yes. Elon is just sharing his view. On many topics that he shares his view I typically agree. Maybe not on this one. But your threshold for a terrible person must be pretty low.

I reserve it for murderers, people that rob you at gunpoint, people that mass rob retail stores, medicare fraudsters, people that hide their income on their taxes.

But not people who hate a group based on heritage, rather than select individuals?

That is one of the main reasons Elon deserves praise. At the risk to personal attacks, he has championed free speech for himself and others. Isn't that what America is all about!

Free Speech is about the government not interfering in speech. Here, the government has not even hinted it will interfere with Musk's speech. No, I personally don't feel there is any way to laud Musk over endorsing anti-semitic conspiracy theories. That it is a fraudulent conspiracy theory that a 16 year old should be able to see through is bad, add in antisemitism and it's terrible. Musk is free to suffer all the consequences of his terrible choice and, I might add, we are free to say it is a rotten diseased choice that you want to laud.

I bet most people here, don't even know what elon said or wrote.
He is spot on and unafraid of speaking the truth.
Is the Left intolerant, hateful and busy cancelling everyone?

Listen to Ben Shapiro.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/17257026815309...

I know he said something that people feel is bad.

I truly for a million bucks couldn't even get a 3rd of what he said right.

But I am so happy he speaks his mind. Good for him.


I could care less what the Lynch mob accuses me of. They accuse everyone of being a NAzi or whatever.

It doesn't mean anything anymore sadly.

Bush was Hitler. Trump is Hitler.

Geez maybe Hitler is still alive and with Elvis at some Jelly Donut restaurant.

But regardless, I dod hereby apologize - to the Woke Left where it comes to the Middle East. I'm going to be more open minded to them going forward.

Lesson learned....

I bet most people here, don't even know what elon said or wrote.
He is spot on and unafraid of speaking the truth.

Wow...maybe YOU didn't pay attention.

The comment stemmed from an X user's post that claimed Jews "have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."

Elon responds: "You have said the actual truth"

And here's more of the "actual truth" that Elon believes: The original post's sentiment echoes some antisemitic conspiracy theories claiming that Jewish people want to bring in minorities to weaken White majorities. That belief was espoused by convicted murderer Robert Bowers, who raged against Jewish people online before shooting 11 people dead at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh in 2018.

So it is the same age-old antisemitic conspiracy BS that Elon thinks is the 'acutal truth'.

Anti-White-ism is actually mainstream Liberalism.


That is, unless Racist White Liberals see their own city, or own employment, or own salaries being challenged -- then their true colors come out quick and loud.

Club 401K isn't gonna take a hit, no way.

Anti-White-ism is actually mainstream Liberalism.

Agree with this.

It is NOT OK for any group of any ethnicity (including Jewish groups) to practice racism with impunity. This should be obvious and non controversial.
This is what Elon pointed. He is willing to speak the uncomfortable truth.

The woke mind virus has gone astray. The cancel culture is pervasive.
Young generation is ashamed to be patriotic and see American history "only" of slavery and oppression.

The woke mind virus has gone astray. The cancel culture is pervasive.
Young generation is ashamed to be patriotic and see American history "only" of slavery and oppression.
*****

Yep. One wonders.....what industries and what geographies in America peddle such in pop culture - -- maybe that's a good question to discuss.

Either way, you are speaking my language from before. For 20+ years on TMF I used to argue that Repub, Dem, put it aside if only for having some semblance of common culture, some semblance of common civics, some knowledge about American history.....DON'T SENY SLAVERY, DAMN WELL TEACH THAT and segregation, and learn from it. BUT don't make it mostly about self guilt.

That's what they did.

And now, that - coupled with so many other things they have the mini tribes in America that are only gonna get deeper, more entrenched, and one day - literally they'll have recognized tribes and castes.

Anyone from Bibi to Putin can pit one against the other, just like European Empires used to do to Asian countries.

Now I Have kids of school age and I don't even fight it. Best they blend in and suck up and work the system. So yeah. I keep reading my little boy's homework with him....anythiong from Climate Change to Slavery seems to be something I've read a lot about. Haven't read as much on Paul Revere's ride, or barefoot fighters in Valley Forge. Don't remember seeing anything about John Paul jones and "I have only just begun to fight!". Sometimes I feel like saying.....common people, boys and men, took up arms, and while so many ancient arabic and asian civilizations stayed under European Rule and got raped....... Americans, kicked their asses out because we don't deal with that stuff too well.

But alas, years ago I concluded America was not to be a nation state ands that "certain elements" in America, have won. I decided more than before that America was just one big license - to make money. Be it legally, or semi legally. And that's ok, no problem with that.

As long as the income keeps coming and taxes stay zero, I'm at ease with the new world.

But I can still be nostalgic, Music, shows, movies, historical events from before. All great stuff.

It is totally, completely, unapologetically, and despicably unfiltered antisemitism.

Anti-White-ism is actually mainstream Liberalism.

Such utter nonsense. No basis for such statements, but it's the way the right wing know-nothing mind works.

Anti-White-ism...LOL what a stupid made up nonsense word.

Such utter nonsense. No basis for such statements, but it's the way the right wing know-nothing mind works.

Anti-White-ism...LOL what a stupid made up nonsense word.
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Good argument KellyAnne....oh and btw....

"trump!"


Nothing wrong with anti white ism. Where it comes to greedy racist White Liberal 401K'ers, that is indeed a group that needs to be checked on a bit.

Trouble with the Club 401K White Supremacists is that they've carved out exceptions for themselves, but love peddling anti white-ism all they can.

As far as who takes part in that, I don't know.

But it's interested to trace it.....

I don't have a dog in the fight. As long as your tribes are warring - is all that matters to me.

Anti-White-ism is actually mainstream Liberalism.
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Agree with this.

It is NOT OK for any group of any ethnicity (including Jewish groups) to practice racism with impunity. This should be obvious and non controversial.
This is what Elon pointed. He is willing to speak the uncomfortable truth.


This is insanity. You start out okay.....that it's not ok for any group of any ethnicity to practice racism with impunity. But in agreeing with the post that accuses Jews of fomenting anti-white racism.....he is practicing the very thing he says he is against. Jews, as other groups, enompass a spectrum of attitudes and prejudices. And you go even further, agreeing that mainstream liberals espouse "anti-White-ism"! You and those like you are the ones resposible for spreading the unsubstantiated hatreds that have increased so frighteningly in intensity and spread.

I wish we had a vaccine against this disease.

I am not white but have many white friends.
It is sad to see that it is open season to blame/insult them with impunity.
There is rampant racism in the liberal media.

landyseesee? Another dopple? So many.

There is rampant racism in the liberal media.

Inversion of reality. Anyone with the least ability to think critically, choose reliable media and THINK, knows this is just a ridiculous lie.

You're lost in the right wing mediasphere.

Anti-White-ism is actually mainstream Liberalism.

Such utter nonsense. No basis for such statements, but it's the way the right wing know-nothing mind works.

Anti-White-ism...LOL what a stupid made up nonsense word.

Yes. Would someone who can actually communicate ( not the dark doppler) mind explaining that word? What I've found is this:

"Anti-Racist is a Code Word for Anti-White" is a racist slogan that became popular among white supremacists in the mid-2000s. It is derived from a short essay commonly referred to as "The Mantra," popularized by long-time white supremacist Bob Whitaker. "The Mantra" attempts to rebut accusations of racism by claiming that people who profess to be anti-racist are actually trying to destroy the white race and that the term "anti-racist" is equivalent to "anti-white." Whitaker's followers have convinced themselves that if they simply repeat The Mantra, or the slogan derived from it, that they can somehow capture or reframe debates about racism. They frequently exhibit the slogan on signs and banners.

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/anti-rac...

Such utter nonsense. No basis for such statements

Really ? "Orange Orangutan" coined by liberals and the media. Never heard ?
Is this not deplorable ? This is worse than saying Obama was born in Kenya (which is dumb as well) but media has no problem making that an issue.

It is just not against whites.
Here is Donna Brazil who purposefully mispronounces Vivek's name and publicly called on him to return ‘home’ presumably to India
(FWIW Vivek was born in America).
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/17262366416255390...

Guarantee that MSM will NOT cover this.

By the way Elon has done more for progressive ideas than 99.9% of you guys casting stones in his direction.

Climate change, Free speech, Jobs, Taxes, Wages, Transportation, Energy, Space, AI, Charging stations, Starlink network.

What have you done ?

Really ? "Orange Orangutan" coined by liberals and the media. Never heard ?

Nope. Never heard. Googled it. Zero references to Trump. Zip, zilch, nada. Maybe the internet is broken today?

If it were a thing it would be a reference to his crappy orange makeup.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-house-trum...

Orange Trump brings up many references to the crappy makeup job he supposedly self-administers since a makeup person sued him for sexual harassment. that sounds a lot like his other attempted and successful rapes events.

"..........makeup artist Jill Harth sued Trump in 1997, alleging that he sexually harassed her for years. Harth accused Trump of groping her, kissing her, and attempting to undress and rape her at his Mar-a-Lago estate in one specific 1993 incident. Trump denied all the claims and called Harth's lawsuit "meritless."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/do...

Orange rapist seems more appropriate, don't you agree?

Orange rapist seems more appropriate, don't you agree?

I think red nose rapist Bill Clinton is more appropriate,
just in time for the Christmas Season.

However, I believe that Elon is a net benefit to society

That sounds uncomfortably familiar to the trope defending Italian fascists, 'Mussolini made the trains run on time.'

Coincidentally, 'draining the swamp' was another fascist trope from the Mussolini era.

When headliners like Trump and Musk spread antisemitic tropes, or defend them under the guise of 'freedom of speech,' violence against Jews increases. Musk's a piece of shit no matter how many cars he sells or satellites he launches. Musk shares responsibility for increasing violence; the decrease of peace on earth.

I am not attacking you.

Indirectly, you may be. If you 'like' the antisemitic posts on Twitter or Truth Social, you are encouraging those who are inclined to violence. You are supporting the increase in violent antisemitism.

Keep in mind... Hitler and his SS had no compunction killing off the mischlinge officers (and their families) that supported and fought for the Nazis.

"Orange Orangutan" coined by liberals and the media.

The central point that you're completely missing is that this down-putting nickname is not a manipulative attempt to supercede the truth. It is a graphic short-hand representation of the reality that this man is a clear liar, cheat, racist, and dangerous narcissist who will try to bend any law (the U.S. Constitution included) to retain the power he demands. And he used to dye his hair an orangey tone, and wear makeup that gives him an orange-ish tanned appearance.

landyseesee? Another dopple? So many.



A math expert. must be American

By the way Elon has done more for progressive ideas than 99.9% of you guys casting stones in his direction.

Climate change, Free speech, Jobs, Taxes, Wages, Transportation, Energy, Space, AI, Charging stations, Starlink network.

What have you done ?

Actually, Nikola Tesla did more, was an actual genius that is credited with patents, etc., that greatly help us with climate change. etc.

How many electric vehicles as Mr Nikola Tesla retailed?

How many retailing networks has Mr T either gotten around or created?

How many OEMs are scrambling to do EV....because of Mr T?

LOL

Man my 12 MPG feels good now.

Was gonna go to 20 MPG next month but now, I dunno.

Academics armed with intolerance. Gotta love em.

Surf's up! Well, not today but one day maybe.

Hopefully the organic produce fries first.

And he used to dye his hair an orangey tone, and wear makeup that gives him an orange-ish tanned appearance.

You guys are racists and don't even know it.
What you are saying is offensive to white Americans. Don't rationalize it.

And he used to dye his hair an orangey tone, and wear makeup that gives him an orange-ish tanned appearance.
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You guys are racists and don't even know it.
What you are saying is offensive to white Americans. Don't rationalize it.


Offensive only to the members of maga-world, ie, those who have gone down the rabbit hole and sipped the elixir that enables them to believe that black is white and white is black.

And this is my last response to you. I am not going to waste my time trying to counter someone who cannot be reached.

She puts on the hood of intolerance yet again.

At least Trump isn't that way.

Wow, someone who makes Trump look tolerant and open minded.

Well done ma'am

More doppels. He enjoys that.

Bill Maher once said Trump looked like he was related to an orangutan. That's probably what the poster is referring to. To my knowledge it never hit the mainstream, except that Trump sued over it .

Bill Maher once said Trump looked like he was related to an orangutan. That's probably what the poster is referring to. To my knowledge it never hit the mainstream, except that Trump sued over it .

Is that what the reference is about?

Thanks. That has absolutely nothing to do with race, religion, creed, color, .... nothing at all.

It has to do with the Trump's need to deceive people with respect to his appearance.

Again, that stems from Trump's belief that his inherited wealth excuses his sexual assaults on women.

He tried to rape his makeup artist. She sued. He settled. From then on he reportedly did his own makeup. The result; an orange clown-maskish or orangutanish appearance.

Attempts by the poster with many dopples is merely partisan defensive projection.

Trump looked like he was related to an orangutan

Rhetorical question. How would you feel if someone called Obama a "purple monkey" on live TV ?

Stay away from offensive language against all races including white Americans.

You guys rationalize racist despicable language.

How would you feel if someone called Obama a "purple monkey" on live TV ?

Irrelevant apples/oranges.


Trump looked like he was related to an orangutan

Trump's ridiculous orange visage was his own doing. It has nothing to do with his race or nationality.

https://www.progressive-charlestown.com/2020/03/wh...

Do you truly not understand the difference between a person's ludicrous orange makeup and a persons genetic makeup?

Really?

dividends20: Rhetorical question. How would you feel if someone called Obama a "purple monkey" on live TV ?

Stay away from offensive language against all races including white Americans.

You guys rationalize racist despicable language.

I was hoping albaby1 would step into this inane conversation again to correct this nonsense but perhaps even his saintly patience has worn thin.

First, Bill Maher, a comedian, was making a joke, as comedians do, about Trump's hair color.

Maher said an orangutan's fur was the only thing in nature that matches the shade of Trump's trademark hair and that he would donate $5 million to a charity if Trump could prove he wasn’t the "the spawn of his mother having sex with an orangutan."

This joke actually combines two elements Trump is famous for: first, his orangey-blond hair; second, his penchant for baiting people -- and getting headlines -- with money for foolish performance... in this case a reference to Trump baiting president Obama to release his school transcripts in exchange for a $5 million donation to charity by Trump if Obama did so. Or Trump's demands for Obama to "release" his birth certificate -- if Obama was really a U.S. citizen, Trump's argument went, Obama would happily comply. As a result, Maher turned the tables on Trump and joked that if Trump was not an orangutan, Trump would gladly prove his lineage with his birth certificate.

This entire episode is so long ago and long forgotten that Michael Cohen was still Trump's attorney at the time.

Trump sued Maher.

In a letter to Maher before filing the lawsuit, Trump's lawyer wrote, "Attached hereto is a copy of Mr. Trump's birth certificate, demonstrating that he is the son of Fred Trump, not an orangutan." Trump wanted the promised $5 million.

Legal experts said Trump was unlikely to succeed in his lawsuit because Maher's offer was obviously a joke, and courts rarely enforce verbal contracts that are clearly satirical in nature.

Trump dropped his lawsuit against Maher after about ten weeks.

Finally, there's no history of racist remarks about "orange" men. Had you instead simply said that Maher was "dehumanizing" Trump with his remark, then you would have been more accurate and on more solid ground.

As far as calling Obama a "purple monkey," well... the "purple" part makes no sense at all. What about Obama is purple?

But yes, the word "monkey" in reference to a Black individual, is clearly historically racist.


https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/showbiz/trump-bill-...

Ok cool.

Maher was a comedian, no biggie.

Everything Rush Limbaugh Said - ok, he was just an entertainer too.

Both hereby absolved for what they say, and both audiences get zero guilt or accusation.

Fine, I;'m with Sano.

None of the above represents Right or Left in any way.

<Rhetorical question How would you feel if someone called Obama a "purple monkey" on live TV ?>

Rhetorical question: Can you see the difference between poking fun at an old man with a laughably bad make-up job and being an ignorant racist?

It is funny to see people rationalizing racist comments against white Americans.

They are offensive. Stop.

Here is another opinion from left leaning media against presidential candidate Nikki Haley

Don Lemon says Nikki Haley ‘isn’t in her prime’
https://www.politico.com/video/2023/02/16/don-lemo...

<It is funny to see people rationalizing racist comments against white Americans.>

Wow, the MAGA crowd all of a sudden becomes woke?

And please look up the definition of "racist."
Your inability to use the word properly makes you look dumb and makes the world a worse place.

All the best.

Here is another opinion from left leaning media against presidential candidate Nikki Haley

Don Lemon says Nikki Haley ‘isn’t in her prime’
https://www.politico.com/video/2023/02/16/don-lemo...


Aside from this occurring last February, what you're so conveniently forgetting (or ignoring) is that this comment of his drew a hale of criticism, and from all directions including the left-leanaing media.

dividends20: Don Lemon says Nikki Haley ‘isn’t in her prime’

Umm. Don Lemon got fired for that comment: https://fortune.com/2023/04/24/don-lemon-cnn-host-...

It is funny to see people rationalizing racist comments against white Americans.

dividends 20 is just trolling y'all.

Umm. Don Lemon got fired for that comment

Quietly in backroom dealings fearing outrage from women.

The left is now playing with fire with thousands marching in support of Hamas which beheaded babies and raped women.

2024 elections are going to be interesting as the silent majority watches.

dividends20: Quietly in backroom dealings fearing outrage from women.

Umm. How does that even make sense? Which women would be outraged that Lemon was fired for being a schmuck?


dividends20: The left is now playing with fire...

The "left"? Except for a few on the extreme fringe, almost nobody on the the left supports Hamas. The same crazy right wingers who blame America for invading Ukraine (and republican congresscritters who refuse to fund Israel or Ukraine) are the ones attacking Israel.

Like Trump.

dividends20: "Stay away from offensive language against all races including white Americans. You guys rationalize despicable language."

I know right? Maybe someone should tell this guy....

"Adam Shifty Schiff, with a neck like a pencil. I said, how does he hold up that fat, ugly face, with a neck Pencil Neck. We call him Pencil Neck. What a dishonest guy." ~Donald Trump

"Bette Midler is an extremely unattractive woman, I refuse to say that because I always insist on being politically correct." ~Donald Trump

"Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy. Actually, he is weak, both mentally and physically!" ~Donald Trump

"Goofy Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas because she faked the fact she is native American, is a lowlife!" ~Donald Trump

"Lightweight Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them),
is now in the ring fighting against Trump." ~Donald Trump

"Great, now I can go after Horseface and her 3rd rate lawyer in the Great State of Texas." ~Donald Trump

"Kim Kardashian? Does she have a good body? No. Does she have a fat ass? Absolutely." ~Donald Trump

"Cher, I promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn’t work." ~Donald Trump

They even published a whole book full of Trumpy insults....

The Trump Book of Insults: An Adult Coloring Book now available at Amazon

Have a nice holiday!

dividends20: "Stay away from offensive language against all races including white Americans. You guys rationalize despicable language."


There you go again...inverting reality. Supporting the most vile, disgusting man to ever besmirch American politics.

The left is now supporting Hamas which beheaded babies and raped women.

This is what Harvard students said
"We, the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence"
From the "River to the sea" is a genocidal slogan against Israel.

No clarity of thought. DEI has gone amuck !

Sanctuary cities are now beginning to buckle under the pressure of illegal immigrants / open borders. They continue to come in daily. Relentless.


2024 elections are going to be interesting as the silent majority watches.

Tensions are rising in New York between blacks and illegal aliens as government handouts start running out
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/17272195542...

This is happening in ALL (sanctuary) cities and is a direct result of open borders which encourages illegal immigration.
More bus loads of migrants landing every day.

Polling of inner city residents is beginning to shift.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/19...

https://www.bet.com/article/cu60po/poll-black-vote...

Javier Milei: Argentina's far-right outsider wins presidential election
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67470...

FAR-RIGHT PARTY SURGES IN DUTCH ELECTIONS
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/17274711488...

People are tired of woke mind virus, transgender bathrooms,
non binary sex and custom pronouns thrust on them 24*7

dividends20: People are tired of woke mind virus, transgender bathrooms,
non binary sex and custom pronouns thrust on them 24*7

Umm, during his campaign, the far-right Dutch populist Geert Wilders called the prophet Mohammad a "pedophile", called Islam a "backward religion" and said he wants to ban mosques and the Quran in the Netherlands. Wilders is also explicitly anti-EU and will cut aid to Ukraine.

Please tell us which of these positions has anything to do with woke mind virus, transgender bathrooms, non-binary sex and custom pronouns?

HINT: none.

Question: are you in agreement with his beliefs?

Mohammed was a pedophile. That is true (married a 12 yr old). And I agree that Islam is a backwards religion. They pretty much all are to some extent, but Islam is arguably the worst.

I don't agree about banning them. That's thought police stuff.

I've skipped most of this thread, don't know what this had to do with Elon. But it is worrying that far right parties around the globe are gaining influence. People seem to forget what happens when those people get power

People are tired of woke mind virus, transgender bathrooms,
non binary sex and custom pronouns thrust on them 24*7

OH, the HORROR!

LOL. What planet do you live on?

Here in reality I've never had the feeling that these things are being "thrust" on me.

No, they are being "thrust" on you by right wing media which is poisoning your ability to reason for yourself.

dividends20: People are tired of woke mind virus

"I don’t like the term woke, because I hear the term woke woke woke — it’s just a term they use,
half the people can’t define it, they don’t even know what it is." ~Donald Trump

In a recent USA TODAY POLL 56% of people surveyed said the term means "to be informed, educated, and aware of social injustices." (All the things republicans are not.)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/...

Woke mind virus must be defeated !

It leads to people marching on the street in support of Hamas which raped women in front of their kids.
It leads to open borders, illegal immigration for vote bank politics and hurting its own poor people.
It leads to pushing "transgender" and "non-binary" and "custom pronouns" agenda nonsense

This is the reason people are voting the right parties in Argentina, Netherlands, India, Canada and UK. EU is going to get a reality check soon.

In the US, Biden's popularity rating is in the toilet. The guy can't even stand properly.

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