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The "Kamala" files..... (yes, per paternalistic racist Liberals, if a non white person has an ethnic sounding name, revert to the first name. Only white males get surname respect...ask "Kamala" and "Ketanji" they know)

They thought Shapiro is an Israeli agent.

LOl Israel is smarter than that. They don't need nor want the Presidency. They dont want the feelings or scrutiny it would invite.

Why take that on, when you have so much control already.

They thought Shapiro is an Israeli agent.

As is sometimes the case, you need to go to Israeli media to get more honest reporting, vs USian media.

3 August 2024,

Shapiro seeks to downplay his time as IDF volunteer after college op-ed resurfaces

Pennsylvania Governor and potential Democratic vice presidential nominee Josh Shapiro on Friday sought to distance himself from a recently uncovered op-ed he wrote in college, in which he identified as a former volunteer in the IDF and argued that the Palestinians are too “battle-minded” to pursue peace with Israel.

In the 1993 newspaper op-ed, which dismissed the recently signed Oslo Accords, Shapiro wrote, “Despite my skepticism as a Jew and a past volunteer in the Israeli army, I strongly hope and pray that this ‘peace plan’ will be successful.”

“Palestinians will not coexist peacefully,” Shapiro also wrote in the op-ed titled “Peace Not Possible.”

“They do not have the capabilities to establish their own homeland and make it successful even with the aid of Israel and the United States. They are too battle-minded to be able to establish a peaceful homeland of their own,” added the then-20-year-old student.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/shapiro-seeks-to-dow...



Walz made several trips to China, so the Harris campaign asked him if he was a Chinese agent. But we don't here Walz crying victim about it.

Kamala Harris’s team reportedly asked Tim Walz if he was an ‘agent of China’ because of his Far East adventures

The Minnesota governor was such a big fan of going to China that it became hard for him to keep track of how many times he visited. Walz said in 2016 that he had gone to China “dozens” of times, but in 2024 his team said it was “closer to 15 times.”

He testified he went to China for the first time in 1989, around the time of the Tiananmen Square uprising. Walz later went on his honeymoon in China and established a company that took students on trips to the country.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-har...

Steve

Has Shapiro acted on those sentiments he expressed as a 20 year-old?

I recall a paper I wrote about the SCOTUS being the defender of individual rights when I was in my early 20s. How wrong I was!

Has Shapiro acted on those sentiments he expressed as a 20 year-old?

Why is is supposed to be out of bounds to ask a question?

Steve

Why is is supposed to be out of bounds to ask a question?

Because asking certain questions without a factual predicate can be an exercise in indulging a prejudice, which is deeply offensive.

Like many ethnic, racial, or religious minorities, Jews have historically been subject to certain prejudicial attitudes and beliefs. One of the prejudices about Jews is the assumption that they have dual or incomplete loyalties to their country. That they're more loyal to their own people than their home.

So if you were to ask a Jew if they were an agent of Israel just because they are Jewish, it would be deeply offensive and possibly anti-Semitic (the former being the effect on the person being asked, the latter depending on the position of the asker). It would be like asking a potential candidate of Irish descent if they have a drinking problem based solely on their Irish heritage.

Note - if there's a sufficient reason other than their ethnic or religious identity, the same question can be perfectly fine. If you ask a potential candidate whether they have a drinking problem because they have a past history of struggles with alcohol, the fact that they might also be Irish doesn't make the question out of bounds.

I don't personally know whether Shapiro's biography has sufficient past events to put this question in one category or another - but just "asking a question" can sometimes be an exercise in prejudice and discrimination.

Godo example on Walz -- frankly I feel Progressives are more prone to being Chinese agents than Shapiro is prone to being Mossad or whatever.

BUT....

Do you agree with my opinion; Israel doesn't want the Presidency as it invites scrutiny and enflames certain prejudices (which I won't say are justified, or not justified....).

Israel has enough control..... over the White House, and Congress and Senate.

Actually having the presidency isn't such a big upgrade and perhaps that juice is not worth the squeeze.

Like many ethnic, racial, or religious minorities, Jews have historically been subject to certain prejudicial attitudes and beliefs. One of the prejudices about Jews is the assumption that they have dual or incomplete loyalties to their country.

Jack Kennedy and Mitt Romney both faced religious bigotry. Seems we have finally overcome suspicion of Catholics. I don't recall Biden making a speech to assure people he would not be running the country according to dictate from the Pope.

As for asking questions about a candidate's past experiences, we old phartz remember Tom Eagleton's shock therapy sessions coming to light. Shapiro has had a much more intimate experience with Israel than the vast majority of USians. Why is it inappropriate to ask him about his connections to Israel, when it's open season on Walz or Biden connections to China, or Biden connections to Ukraine?

Steve

Why is it inappropriate to ask him about his connections to Israel, when it's open season on Walz or Biden connections to China, or Biden connections to Ukraine?

Because they didn't ask Walz about whether he was an Israeli agent. One presumes - if they asked everyone if they were an Israeli agent, then it's probably fine, but we probably would have heard about it if they had asked Walz and Kelly the same question. But if they asked Walz about his connections to China based on his business dealings there, and asked Shapiro about whether he's an Israeli agent based on the fact that he's Jewish and did a high school trip there, then those are two very different things.

Where it gets blurry is that many (most?) Jewish Americans have connections to Israel, and the sort of high school educational trip to Israel that Shapiro participated in is a very common Jewish-American experience. The intimation that having that kind of past connection with a country would lead you to be an agent of that country's government is one that gets very close into prejudicial thinking. If you wouldn't ask an Italian-American candidate who might have spent a semester studying abroad in Italy whether they were an agent of the Italian government, then you probably shouldn't ask the Jewish candidate the same question based on analogous facts.

The intimation that having that kind of past connection with a country would lead you to be an agent of that country's government is one that gets very close into prejudicial thinking.

Well, why don't you ask the Harris campaign why they asked?

Steve

Well, why don't you ask the Harris campaign why they asked?

Oh, I don't particularly care. I was just answering your question about how simply asking might be offensive. Again, if you ask the guy named O'Brien if he has a drinking problem with no other reason, and don't ask it of any other candidate, he might think that's because of a stereotype/prejudice about Irish people - and if there isn't a reason for why you asked it, he might be right.

Oh, I don't particularly care. I was just answering your question about how simply asking might be offensive.

And I maintain asking a question should not be offensive. I don't think anyone should be immune to accountability based on their race, or religion. It's really easy to say "no", rather than playing the victim card over being asked.

Steve

And I maintain asking a question should not be offensive. I don't think anyone should be immune to accountability based on their race, or religion.

Those are two different things, though.

Being a particular race or religion should not, and does not, grant you immunity from being asked a question that would be appropriate to ask....

...and some questions that get asked in circumstances where it is only because of prejudice that the inquiry is made can and will be offensive.

Again, if you only ask the people with Irish surnames if they have drinking problems, when there's no reason whatsoever to ask them if they have a drinking problem, and you don't ask anyone else if they have a drinking problem, then it's just as offensive as affirmatively stating "I think that Irish people are prone to having drinking problems." The fact that you express your prejudice in the form of a question, rather than as a statement, doesn't change that.

If you have a reason for asking if someone has a drinking problem, or you ask everyone if they have a drinking problem, then someone who is Irish doesn't have immunity from also being asked that question. But if you're only asking the Irish people, and asking them for no reason, then you're being offensive and prejudiced.

Can you just imagine Shapiro the SuperSpy jumping out of an airplane at the beginning of the Bond movie???

Then the parachute isn't working.


And the hero says "why oh why did this have to happen to me?????"


:)

And I maintain asking a question should not be offensive. I don't think anyone should be immune to accountability based on their race, or religion. It's really easy to say "no", rather than playing the victim card over being asked.
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Al Sharpton isn't only black.

There's Al Sharpton types in other groups too.....some of which are well organized and have access to money and microphones.

Q: Hey, why are we funding these people getting kicked out of their houses so you build shit?

A: Anti-whatever!!! Anti-Whatever!!!!

Yes, Sharptons are in every community ---but some are more talented than others.

Yes, Sharptons are in every community ---but some are more talented than others.

Yes, indeed. I thought Hillary was the worst at whining "victim", until Trump showed up.

Steve

Yes, indeed. I thought Hillary was the worst at whining "victim", until Trump showed up.

Stev
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Yep, I have ZERO trouble voting for a woman. And as evidenced in the 2016 -- the "majority" doesn't either.

One can not vote Hillary over policy ---and not be "misogynist" and on and on and on, all shapes and sizes.

Steve203: I thought Hillary was the worst at whining "victim", until Trump showed up.

You voted for the Pedophile Protector over Hillary, right? It's pretty clear you never would have voted for Clinton. Or did you not vote?

You voted for the Pedophile Protector over Hillary, right? It's pretty clear you never would have voted for Clinton. Or did you not vote?

I have explained the calculus, several times. Were you not paying attention?

OK, one more time: my read was they are both corrupt megalomaniacs. Hillary was smoother, so might get away with it. Trump was such an oaf he could be caught.

I was right. Trump was caught, twice. He should be in Leavenworth now, not the White House.

Steve

Steve203: I have explained the calculus, several times.I have explained the calculus, several times.

No, I guess I wasn't paying attention. And you didn't answer the question: did you vote for Trump in 2016?

No, I guess I wasn't paying attention. And you didn't answer the question: did you vote for Trump in 2016?

sheesh! I thought that was clear. OK, one more time: I voted for Trump in 16, because, of the two, his corruption and megalomania was more likely to result in a one way ticket to Leavenworth, than Hillary's corruption and megalomania.

Steve

Steve203: sheesh! I thought that was clear. OK, one more time: I voted for Trump in 16...

No, it wasn't clear (other than your bizarre hatred of Clinton) but I guess I'm a little slow.

But at least I figured out in less than 24 hours that Trump was a con man who would line his pockets at the expense of America, a psychotic narcissist who would do nothing that didn't put the spotlight on himself every minute of every day, a racist, a misogynist, who admitted he committed sexual assault, and was a business failure kept afloat his entire life first by Daddy's money, then by his siblings' money, and that he would destroy democracy if given half a chance.

Well, wait now. Maybe I'm not the one who's slow.

But at least I figured out in less than 24 hours that Trump was a con man who would line his pockets at the expense of America, a psychotic narcissist who would do nothing that didn't put the spotlight on himself every minute of every day, a racist, a misogynist, who admitted he committed sexual assault, and was a business failure kept afloat his entire life first by Daddy's money, then by his siblings' money, and that he would destroy democracy if given half a chance.

And Hillary is just as much a fake and a pretender, because everything that has been handed to her, is from her riding Bill's coattails.

Watch Hillary when anyone asks a question she doesn't want to answer, especially if there is the slightest hint of criticism. She never answers. She plays the victim card "they have a problem with strong women" WHHHAAAAAAAA!

Just like 43, when challenged on his made up wars abroad and police state tactics in the US. He never answers the question. He plays the victim card "we were victims on 9/11" WHHHAAAAAA!

Clarence Thomas, when called before the Judiciary Committee to answer charges of sexual harassment. He played the victim card "high tech lynching", "trying to keep the black man down" WWHHHHAAAAAA!

Now Trump, straight, white, Chrstian-ish, man, kazillionaire, born to wealth, is a victim of everyone and everything. He is constantly crying how he is being cheated by people not laying down and giving him everything he wants "I'm threatening war over Greenland, because I didn't get a Nobel, and it's all your fault". WHHHAAAAAAA!

Is this the best this country can do for leaders, a gaggle of petulant, self-entitled, crybabies?

Steve

Is this the best this country can do for leaders, a gaggle of petulant, self-entitled, crybabies?

LOCK HIM UP !!!

THEN see the waterworks--at ALL ends.

The worst thing in my view is Josh Shapiro LIED about him being Jewish as the real reason he wasn't picked by Harris. In reality, he knew it all along. But during the campaign he claimed otherwise, that it had NOTHING TO DO with him being Jewish.

He should have quit the Democrat Party as soon as that question was asked.

Was Harris asked by Biden if she was a spy for India or Jamaica or wherever the heck she claims to have ethnic connections to?

Yeah Steve because you're a rabid anti-Semite, as I have pointed out a number of times in response to grossly anti-Semitic comments you like to make here.

You don't even understand albaby's point, do you?

You're likely thinking, "But he's a fucking JEW it's perfectly natural/default assumption that he's an agent for Israel."

You have a Nazi world view buddy.

And I maintain asking a question should not be offensive.

Not only offensive, but, as used on Fox, not-very-passively aggressive.

Sean Hannitys smarmy 'just asking a question,' is drenched in insinuation that the answer is 'guilty.'

"Yeah Steve because you're a rabid anti-Semite, as I have pointed out a number of times in response to grossly anti-Semitic comments you like to make here.

You don't even understand albaby's point, do you?

You're likely thinking, "But he's a fucking JEW it's perfectly natural/default assumption that he's an agent for Israel."

You have a Nazi world view buddy." - Marco the Russian Idiot Clown

It looks like Marco is too dumb to understand the difference between criticism of Israel and being an Anti-Semite.

What a clown. He is very good at being laughed at.

SCummm, looks like you're an anti Semite too.

Asking Josh Shapiro whether he is a secret agent for Israel isn't "criticism of Israel."

Now go punch yourself in the face, Nazi.

"Shapiro seeks to downplay his time as IDF volunteer after college op-ed resurfaces

Pennsylvania Governor and potential Democratic vice presidential nominee Josh Shapiro on Friday sought to distance himself from a recently uncovered op-ed he wrote in college, in which he identified as a former volunteer in the IDF and argued that the Palestinians are too “battle-minded” to pursue peace with Israel.

In the 1993 newspaper op-ed, which dismissed the recently signed Oslo Accords, Shapiro wrote, “Despite my skepticism as a Jew and a past volunteer in the Israeli army, I strongly hope and pray that this ‘peace plan’ will be successful.”

“Palestinians will not coexist peacefully,” Shapiro also wrote in the op-ed titled “Peace Not Possible.”

“They do not have the capabilities to establish their own homeland and make it successful even with the aid of Israel and the United States. They are too battle-minded to be able to establish a peaceful homeland of their own,” added the then-20-year-old student.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/shapiro-seeks-to-dow..." - Steve

That is too bad. I actually liked Shapiro as a candidate.

But by him talking about what the Harris campaign asked him, he is showing himself to either be an idiot (incompetent) or slimy asshole. Either one means he will never get my vote in the primary (again which is a shame since I actually liked him). Given the information in your link above, it is clear that the Harris campaign was doing a very good job of vetting the vice-presidential candidates. The whole purpose of vetting is to take even remotely controversial things about a candidate and spin them in a negative light to see what shakes out.


Given his ties to the IDF, asking him that was more than a valid question. What if it turned out his ties were not just superficial? What if he had actually received money from Israel? Not only would it have turned off some Democrats, but the Trump campaign would also have made a huge deal about it calling him a foreign agent. Him getting asked that question is no different than asking Walz about China. Part of vetting someone is spinning something in the worst possible light.

As a politician with enough standing to be considered for VP, Shapiro had to have known this. If he didn't know, he is too stupid/naive to be considered and he won't get my vote. If he did know this, but decided to leak it the way he did shows him to be an underhanded slimeball. Either option does not reflect well on him.

SCummm,

You're showing yourself to be a raving anti-Semite.

Shapiro wasn't asked by the Harris campaign to discuss how his participation in the IDF may have informed his viewpoints of the middle east conflict.

Nor was he asked which way he stood on the issue, and a further discussion about whether his ostensibly pro-Israel views might impact his suitability in the modern (blatantly anti-Semitic) democrat party.

No, he was asked if he was a spy for Israel.

Blatant anti-Semitism,

which you have proven you're happily a part of.

Did some little Jewish nerd with glasses beat you up in the 3rd grade?

Is this the best this country can do for leaders, a gaggle of petulant, self-entitled, crybabies?
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Yes, but only twice out of the last 3 elections.

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