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When Orange Jesus was babbling that the Continental Army "took over the airports" more than a century before the first airplane, republicans didn't blink an eye let alone demand he take a cognitive test or drop out of politics. In the media, the story moved through the news cycle faster than sh!t through a goose.

Same for the draft dodging Orange Jesus calling American war dead suckers and losers -- and that it looked bad for him to be seen with severely wounded veterans -- certainly the kinds of statements that should have ended his political career but republicans shrugged it off, never said a word, and the media quickly took the spotlight off his outrageous statements.

He confused a photograph of his rape victim with his second wife.

He is an adjudicated rapist.

He cheated on his pregnant wife with a Playboy model and raw-dogged a porn star, paying her $130,000 to keep silent during the presidential campaign.

He is guilty of business fraud.

He bankrupted more businesses that most people have common colds.

He had his charity closed down.

Fe flew multiple times on the Lolita Express.

He was accused of raping a thirteen-year-old girl.

The list of insane statements coming out of Orange Jesus is endless:

He literally quoted Hitler, saying leftists "live like vermin within the confines of our country" and that immigration is "poisoning the blood of our country."

He said "In 2016, I declared: I am your voice. Today, I add: I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed: I am your retribution."

He suggested that former U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley should be executed.

He called Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg "a Soros-backed animal".

He said he's "waging an all-out war on American democracy."

He said he wants to shoot looters and protesters.

He said he'll send the military to the streets of American cities.

He said he doesn't know who wrote Project 2025 when his own Director of White House Personnel is one of its chief architects... along with the head of the Heritage Foundation (which gave him his Supreme Court picks).

He said he knows nothing about what's in Project 2025 but in the next sentence says he's doesn't agree with everything in Project 2025.

I mean, seriously, WTF is wrong with you people who cannot stop trying to destroy Biden for having one bad night after three years of rock-solid accomplishments while completely ignoring the absolute pathological insanity of Trump.

I'm outta' here. Enjoy your self-destruction.

Oh yawn commonone, same old claptrap. Get some new material.

It still doesn’t excuse dementia OldJoe, the five time deferment coward during Vietnam and his bloody hands he wouldn’t listen to his Generals, causing the death and injuries of our soldiers because of his yellow belly pullout of Afghanistan.

Not to mention the rapists and murderers of little girls and women dementia OldJoe invited into America.

America has no one to answer the 3am call. Dementia OldJoe can only function between the hours of 10am and 4pm.

Great post.

I started writing mine before you posted yours. Too many interruptions from my CEO/COO/CFO (aka wife). LOL.

...and the media quickly took the spotlight off his outrageous statements.

[long, but not complete, list of Trump's many awful actions and traits proving that he is not just a bad candidate but a truly disgusting, corrupt and immoral man}

And NONE of it seems to matter to the MAGA base and apparently to many others; those who just do not PAY ATTENTION and who may be the deciders of this election. We really are becoming an Idiocracy. It's a wonderful time to be Putin or Xi.

And NONE of it seems to matter to the MAGA base and apparently to many others; those who just do not PAY ATTENTION and who may be the deciders of this election.

Absolutely. I hate the MAGA idiots but they are right. Joe is done. He belongs in a Old Folks Home.
Trump is a New Yorker. He is always going to run his mouth off. Paying unnecessary attention to him was how he got elected the first time.
Democrats absolutely need to scramble and put up another candidate. Anybody but Joe. If they want to have any hope of winning.
As a low information voter, between Biden and Trump I am voting for Trump.

As a low information voter, between Biden and Trump I am voting for Trump.

I guess you really are a low information voter.

I guess you really are a low information voter.

That's my point. You and I get the same one vote each. And there are a lot of mes than there are yous.
Turning your nose up at me might make you feel better but Biden's still going to lose.
It's not possible to educate people like me. You need to win me over if you want to win.

And NONE of it seems to matter to the MAGA base and apparently to many others

It’s not that it doesn’t matter. It’s that they think it’s GREAT! They’re “sticking it to the libs.” Or they’re going to clear out The Deep State.” Or they’re going to get revenge on the bankers and elites. Or…

Please understand, this is a feature, not a bug. These people feel forgotten, steeped on, overlooked, ignored. How they have latched onto a billionaire who sits on a gold toilet I am powerless to explain, but that’s what you have. And they *will not* be swayed.

There are few times when government crises become existential, but this is probably one of them. Joe has good advisors, Trump’s are, in one form or another, of the same ilk. There is little doubt in my mind that Joe is diminished, but I feel even more strongly that Trump is deranged.

I wish I had a billion dollars to put up billboard across America:

Everything Trump Touches Dies

I wish I had a billion dollars to put up billboard across America:

Where's Michael Bloomberg when we really need him and his billions?

It's not possible to educate people like me. You need to win me over if you want to win.

If it's not possible to educate you, then it's not possible to win you over.

--Peter

You need to win me over if you want to win. - Kof3

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And he will. I know Biden did not in 3.5 years, but just give him four more years and he will really really win you over.

It’s not that it doesn’t matter. It’s that they think it’s GREAT! They’re “sticking it to the libs.” Or they’re going to clear out The Deep State.” Or they’re going to get revenge on the bankers and elites. Or… - GH

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Or..... secure the border, improve the economy, restore some coherence to foreign policy, and tamp down hard on our crime problem.

If it's not possible to educate you, then it's not possible to win you over.

So Trump won over his supporters by educating them?

Are Democrats this idealistic that they would rather lose power and endanger democracy than take the low road and fight fire with fire?

Make extravagant campaign promises. Malign your opponent - that should be easy given it's Trump. Above all court battleground states by whatever issues matter locally. New Tork and California liberals will always vote Democrat no matter what.

It doesn't feel like Democrats are fighting hard for the survival of democracy blah blah rhetoric if they are still sticking with a senile dodderer as their candidate.

All I care about is what the next president is going to do for my safety and my pocketbook. And Trump has a much rosier future painted for me than the buffoon who "beat Medicare".

Or..... secure the border, improve the economy, restore some coherence to foreign policy, and tamp down hard on our crime problem.

That’s quite a list. Let’s look at it.

(1) “Secure the border”. Both Trump and Biden have a fail here.

President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration
https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-reduced-...

I give Biden a fail because numbers are up. I give Trump a fail because of the headline above, and because he torpedoed the best chance to do something about it solely because he wanted an issue to run on. This is a “me first” policy, not a “the country first” policy.

(2) “Improve the economy”. The stock market is at an all time high. Wages are rising faster than inflation. There is a “help wanted” sign in front of every third business. It’s true that bankruptcies are up, 445,000 cases in 2023. That appears to be in some part because Covid relief for individuals and businesses, as well as other “relief” measures have ended. In any event it’s still 30% lower than the 760,000 in 2019, Trump’s final year before the pandemic hit.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-bankruptcies...

(3) “Restore some coherence to foreign policy”. I’m not sure about this one. Ending NATO after 50 years? That was “coherence”? I note that several long-time holdouts now have joined or want in. Here’s how an Obama voter/writer, who thought Obama’s foreign policy was mostly a failure, has to say about Trump’s:

So how did this all work out? Although Trump can claim a few foreign-policy successes, his overall record is dismal. America’s adversaries are more dangerous than they were in 2016, the United States is weaker, sicker, and more divided, relations with many U.S. allies are worse, and any aspirations to moral leadership that Americans might have harbored have been badly tarnished.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/05/trumps-final-...

(4) “Tamp down hard on our crime problem”. You know that crime statistics are down - WAY down from the Trump years, right? I’ll let the headline do the talking:

Joe Biden is correct that violent crime is near a 50-year low
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2024/cri...

So to quote Jeff Daniels in the 1st episode of “The Newsroom”, I don’t know what the **** you’re talking about”

I give Biden a fail because numbers are up. I give Trump a fail because of the headline above, and because he torpedoed the best chance to do something about it - GH

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That would have required Biden to actually and vigorously enforce it. Not at all likely, since his new found border hawkishness only recently appeared. His non-existent enforcement of his recent EO is evidence of his lack of conviction.

"That's my point. You and I get the same one vote each. And there are a lot of mes than there are yous.
Turning your nose up at me might make you feel better but Biden's still going to lose.
It's not possible to educate people like me. You need to win me over if you want to win."

Democracy requires a well-informed populace. Unfortunately, there are people like you who are too lazy to maintain a democracy. So we as a country are going to get what we deserve. You neecd to do better and stop destroying the country with your laziness.

Joe Biden is correct that violent crime is near a 50-year low

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The reliance on Violent Crime stat's to hide the explosion in lesser crimes is well known. many assaults and burglaries are not even reported since there are no consequences. The crime problem is there and it is real, and is getting worse.

The libs denial of the crime problem is similar to their declaration that the economy is good, when people who shop for groceries or buy gas know better. Or the libs denial of Biden's diminished acuity until the lid could not stay on after the debate. Cheap fake is the WH called it and the MSM went right along.

Telling voters to not trust their own eyes and experience is a strategy, just not a winning strategy.

That would have required Biden to actually and vigorously enforce it. Not at all likely, since his new found border hawkishness only recently appeared. His non-existent enforcement of his recent EO is evidence of his lack of conviction.

I can't find where he's not enforcing it, but have found this:

SNIP The lawsuit — filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and others on behalf of Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center and RAICES — is the first test of the legality of Biden’s sweeping crackdown on the border, which came after months of internal White House deliberations and is designed in part to deflect political attacks against the president on his handling of immigration.

“By enacting an asylum ban that is legally indistinguishable from the Trump ban we successfully blocked, we were left with no choice but to file this lawsuit,” said Lee Gelernt, an attorney for the ACLU.

The order Biden issued last week would limit asylum processing once encounters with migrants between ports of entry reach 2,500 per day. It went into effect immediately because the latest figures were far higher, at about 4,000 daily.

The restrictions would be in effect until two weeks after the daily encounter numbers are at or below 1,500 per day between ports of entry, under a seven-day average. But it’s far from clear when the numbers would dip that low; the last time was in July 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. SNIP

So it looks like Trump fared no better, but we had DOPE crowing about how his prediction EOs would work was working and the most awesome thing in all awesome things. So show us where it isn't being enforced and you might run into it's being blocked, just like Trump's was blocked.




https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bidens-new-a...

The reliance on Violent Crime stat's to hide the explosion in lesser crimes is well known<


Then it should be very easy for you to show this by respectable data trends, where are they?

Democracy requires a well-informed populace. Unfortunately, there are people like you who are too lazy to maintain a democracy. So we as a country are going to get what we deserve. You neecd to do better and stop destroying the country with your laziness.

How are you guys not getting this? You don't have time to educate people like me. And I don't want to be educated, I just want a president who cares about my safety and my pocketbook. You can call me any names, but you still need my vote to actually win. You need to sell me on your candidate and Biden is definitely not cutting it. Find somebody else or lose the election.

Democracy requires a well-informed populace. Unfortunately, there are people like you who are too lazy to maintain a democracy. So we as a country are going to get what we deserve. You neecd to do better and stop destroying the country with your laziness.

Also, I need to do better?
I am the interviewer, Biden and Trump are the ones applying for the job.
Have you ever gotten a job by telling your prospective employer that they need to do better? Don't be a Hillary Clinton.

And I don't want to be educated, I just want a president who cares about my safety and my pocketbook

Then it's simple, vote Biden. Trump has a terrible record and lies to you. Biden has a good economy (your pocketbook) and violent crime is down(your safety) Are we done? Enough?

You Democrats are new to this democracy gig, aren't you?

>>The reliance on Violent Crime stat's to hide the explosion in lesser crimes is well known<<<


Then it should be very easy for you to show this by respectable data trends, where are they? - Lapsody

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Where are they? Why on Fox News of course! Every day, all the time. Just like their extensive coverage of Joe's acuity that shocked so many who had never heard such a thing. Or the hours and hours of video of various assaults on our sothern border, on Fox regularly but non existent in the MSM for years until Abbott started sharing.

Fake news, Cheap fakes, etc.

Getting back to crime, there is this

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-...

he FBI’s crime data is still incomplete — and politicians are taking advantage.

More than 6,000 law enforcement agencies were missing from the FBI’s national crime data last year, representing nearly one-third of the nation’s 18,000 police agencies. This means a quarter of the U.S. population wasn't represented in the federal crime data last year, according to The Marshall Project’s analysis.

Then it's simple, vote Biden. Trump has a terrible record and lies to you. Biden has a good economy (your pocketbook) and violent crime is down(your safety) Are we done? Enough?

No, because after watching the debate, I have lost all my confidence that he can actually continue doing the same. I will absolutely grant you that his past record is good. Except for immigration. But economy and overall crime he did well. What I am worried about is the future and this guy is senile now. I also watched his interview with Stephanopoulos and that did not fill me with any kind of confidence that he can keep going on. Last time he won he was 77 and spoke much better than he does now. Now he's 81, and it's nowhere to go but downhill.

To be fair, Biden was never a star speaker like Obama, but I put that down to his brain going faster than his mouth could keep up with. But now he loses trains of thought, talks nonsense in a nationally televised debate, refuses to take a cognitive test. His health is a pig in a poke, and I'm not buying it.

Where are they? Why on Fox News of course!

Again. Go find those reliable non-violent crime reports showing the explosive trend and show them here.

SNIP The Appeal, a news organization which focuses on the criminal legal system, has also pointed out that 50% of violent crimes, and 70% of property crimes, are never reported to the police – meaning those crimes will be missed in the data. (this is always true, and crime within immigrant communities isn't reported well, used to be though)

Nonetheless, the prominent New Orleans-based crime analyst Jeff Asher told NBC News in an article published on Tuesday that the preliminary numbers were encouraging.

“It suggests that when we get the final data in October, we will have seen likely the largest one-year decline in murder that has ever been recorded,” Asher said.

Asher also told NBC it was possible that local governments’ managing to resume certain anti-crime initiatives that were interrupted by the Covid-19 pandemic may have had a hand in the reduction shown in the FBI’s preliminary data.

Earlier this month, Trump claimed falsely that “migrant violence is leading to the worst crime wave in history”(bullsh!t) as Republicans have sought to accuse Democrats of being soft on crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/fb...

I just want a president who cares about my safety and my pocketbook.

How could you feel safer with a President who is an aging, impulsive, divisive, self-serving megalomaniac with his finger on The Button in a world that is already treading perilously close to WWIII?

How would you feel that (again) an impulsive, divisive, self-serving megalomaniac who is a convicted felon (with more serious charges pending), lies constantly, had six businesses go bankrupt, had his charity shut down for fraud, had his university shut down for fraud, and on and on...would be better for the economy than a Democratic candidate who has had a pretty darn good economy? (although a bit of a hangover from Covid and rising fuel prices following the Russia invasion of Ukraine--but those would have hampered anyone)

Do you really think that Trump cares anything about your safety and pocketbook, beyond saying what he thinks will get him elected so he can be famous and powerful? Do you really think he cares about anything beyond himself?

Do you really have no concerns beyond what you perceive as your safety and your pocketbook? You don't care about the environment--the air that you (and others) breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, climate change? You don't care about foreign relations with the other countries that we share this earth with? You don't care about passing on a world to future generations that is better than what we inherited from our parents, who worked so hard to pass on a good world to us? Do you not care about having a leader who ignores mainstream science when it doesn't give the conclusions that he wants it to? Do you not care about having a leader who is trying to systematically dismantle our democracy? Do you not care about having a leader who uses continuous inflammatory rhetoric and calls his opponents childish names, like a bully? You don't care about having a leader with some sort of moral compass?

So Trump won over his supporters by educating them?

No. He won them over by pandering to their basest instincts. Telling them what they want to hear, not the truth. They want to hear that all of their problems are someone else's fault. Black, Hispanics, immigrants, uppity women, gays, Jews, Muslims, big cities, Democrats ... pick your group. Oppressing others is not the way to solve your problems.

Are Democrats this idealistic that they would rather lose power and endanger democracy than take the low road and fight fire with fire?

If you mean fight lies with different lies, no. That's not the way. There is a thing called morals and standards. Losing your self respect is too high a price to pay just to win an election. At least for some people.

It doesn't feel like Democrats are fighting hard for the survival of democracy ...

Yep. Like herding cats. It makes me angry that they'd rather fight over dumping an imperfect candidate at the last minute instead of rallying behind the candidate that has won the most votes in the primaries. Or at a bare minimum, point out all of the problems with the opposing candidate instead of pointing out all of the problems with their own candidate. It's a circular firing squad, ferchrissake. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

But even dumber is believing or even defending the long string lies told by one of the most immoral men on the planet.

All I care about is what the next president is going to do for my safety and my pocketbook. And Trump has a much rosier future painted for me

Be careful of the price you are willing to pay for your safety. Authoritarians can create very safe streets, but at the price of your own freedom. And your pocketbook? You can count on Trump picking your pocket to enrich himself and his friends. He has consistently done that his entire life. Why would that change just because he is the president?

I'm sure you don't believe me now, but give Trump and the Republican Project 2025 a shot and in 4 years you'll be wishing you listened to the education that was there for the taking in 2024.

--Peter

Trump gave a tax cut.
That Republicans balanced by punishing me for living in a Blue state, by limiting SALT to $10K. Biden had 3 years to repeal that and he did nothing.

Trump cares about the common American. (I mean not as much as himself, his kids,white supremacists but still.)

Biden has not promised me anything. He eants take my hard earned money and give it away to people who took out stupid student loans or on UBI or whatever handout scheme Democrats come with. Why the hell would I vote for him?

You guys are trying to give me reasons to vote AGAINST Trump. As a stupid voter who is worried about the future, I am looking for reasons to vote FOR 81YO senile Biden.

Trump is promising me the world because that's who he is. I am like the clichè battered wife, "oh but Trump loves me!"

Sell me on Biden as he will be in the next four years. The fact that he got the most votes in the Democratic primaries means absolutely nothing. You need to win battleground states and you want independent voters. Not committed Democrats.

Or at a bare minimum, point out all of the problems with the opposing candidate instead of pointing out all of the problems with their own candidate. It's a circular firing squad, ferchrissake. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

But even dumber is believing or even defending the long string lies told by one of the most immoral men on the planet.

OMG all you professors.
Winning the election is a popularity contest!!
It is 100% not about the truth or facts and figures. Nobody cares, sorry! That is the reality on planet Earth.

I am always going to love the lying sack of cowdung who tells me what I want to hear. Not the gravelly old man who can't put one coherent sentence together.

How could you feel safer with a President who is an aging, impulsive, divisive, self-serving megalomaniac with his finger on The Button in a world that is already treading perilously close to WWIII?

How would you feel that (again) an impulsive, divisive, self-serving megalomaniac who is a convicted felon (with more serious charges pending), lies constantly, had six businesses go bankrupt, had his charity shut down for fraud, had his university shut down for fraud, and on and on...would be better for the economy than a Democratic candidate who has had a pretty darn good economy? (although a bit of a hangover from Covid and rising fuel prices following the Russia invasion of Ukraine--but those would have hampered anyone)

Do you really think that Trump cares anything about your safety and pocketbook, beyond saying what he thinks will get him elected so he can be famous and powerful? Do you really think he cares about anything beyond himself?

Do you really have no concerns beyond what you perceive as your safety and your pocketbook? You don't care about the environment--the air that you (and others) breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, climate change? You don't care about foreign relations with the other countries that we share this earth with? You don't care about passing on a world to future generations that is better than what we inherited from our parents, who worked so hard to pass on a good world to us? Do you not care about having a leader who ignores mainstream science when it doesn't give the conclusions that he wants it to? Do you not care about having a leader who is trying to systematically dismantle our democracy? Do you not care about having a leader who uses continuous inflammatory rhetoric and calls his opponents childish names, like a bully? You don't care about having a leader with some sort of moral compass?

There is a lot here and you made some really good points. I will attempt to at least address some of them.

Trump is a selfish ass who exploits his willing supporters by selling worthless NFTs and MAGA hats all that. But these are private transactions and those adults want to get duped. I have no business worrying about that.

As a president, he did not start any wars, and he gave me a tax cut. He mishandled Covid pretty badly, but as a stupid voter, I have a short memory and it's done and gone. And he blamed China, which as a patriotic American I fully approve of. Always blame foreign countries.

Yes his record as a businessman is abysmal. He cheats on his taxes, he does not pay his contractors and employees, and at l ast four of his businesses went bankrupt. None of that matters as a president. It matters as a private person only. Clinton and Whitewater. Biden and Burisma. Need I say more at least to the older crowd here.

I realize that he puts himself first, his children second, and his supporters a distant third. He kisses the flag, but got out of Vietnam just like Clinton and other Democrats and Republicans did. I am sure he's surprised that his ostentatious fakery in kissing the flag was completely lost on his supporters. But I bet he's happy about it.

And no, as an American I have absolutely no bigger concern than not getting murdered by the horde of illegal immigrants rampaging and murdering across the country, and not paying more taxes. I pay lip service to the environment but I don't really care about it as much as I care about these two.

Fire Biden if you want to keep your power and the ability do anything good. Otherwise, Trump will win and all of your nightmares will come true.

Yep. Like herding cats. It makes me angry that they'd rather fight over dumping an imperfect candidate at the last minute instead of rallying behind the candidate that has won the most votes in the primaries. Or at a bare minimum, point out all of the problems with the opposing candidate instead of pointing out all of the problems with their own candidate. It's a circular firing squad, ferchrissake. Dumb, dumb, dumb

But it's predictable. And Joe should have known how a poor showing would reflect on him. Look, we know he can still do the job. A good chunk of the job is picking the right people for your staff and posts, and he could step down and let Kamala take over if it gets too bad. But reality has has set in. Joe isn't allaying any fears because he can't. So we have a losing hand even though it makes absolutely no sense at all. We're stuck playing out a bad hand unless something fortuitous happens.

If you want to talk to that fellow, fine. But I'm not talking to him.

If you want to talk to that fellow, fine. But I'm not talking to him.

Who is that fellow?
If it's me, (not assuming it is), well ... truth is sometimes bitter and hard to swallow.
That's what she said.

Look, we know he can still do the job. A good chunk of the job is picking the right people for your staff and posts, and he could step down and let Kamala take over if it gets too bad.

LOL @ Joe can still do the job. No, he absolutely cannot. He's old, he's 81, and he's going downhill. He needs to just go away, absolutely 100%.

Or you people can keep carping about how voters are idiots, and the idiots elected Trump. Your goshdarned momblasting choice.

SNIP The lawsuit — filed by the American Civil Liberties Union...

Based on the learnin' albaby gave us several months ago, I expected this. EOs will be shot-down if they are effective, because to be effective they must be illegal. There appears to be no getting around Congress having to change the law. It's up to the legislative, not the executive. Barring another pandemic, in which case Title 42 could be utilized again (but that's legal, created by the legislative).

Based on the learnin' albaby gave us several months ago, I expected this. EOs will be shot-down if they are effective, because to be effective they must be illegal

Yes, we have a dilemma. We have a new Pres in Mexico, but she will most likely keep the policy of -no more stay in Mexico. Righties think a Pres Trump can just issue edicts, and - surprise, surprise - the USSC just may back them. Very strange. I think the rule of law will still hold, but we have the spectacle of all the Jan 6ers getting pardoned coming up. Man this sucks.

And no, as an American I have absolutely no bigger concern than not getting murdered by the horde of illegal immigrants rampaging and murdering across the country, and not paying more taxes.

It sounds like the amount of fear that one feels has a lot to do with your source of "news". As has been pointed out many times, violent crime has actually been decreasing, not increasing.

I live in southern California, which is something of a hot spot for illegal immigration. I have lived in this area all my life (I'm 63). I feel no less "safe" than I ever have. I rarely lock my home (only if I'm going to be gone all day or more), don't lock my car, don't have a gun, and yet...nothing happens. Sure, it's possible, and my car has been ransacked (they took my Starbucks card and some CD's and left a cigarette smell), but basically nothing has happened. I feel "safe", and I get a little affirmation of that every day when I return home to my unlocked condo and find that nothing happened, or go to my car and find that nothing happened. It helps me feel that the vast majority of humans are decent people, and that's a lot better for me than living in fear.

Now if loose cannon egomaniac Trump gets elected and gets his hands back on that Button and our foreign relations, I will feel fear (again, like I did during his first term, but it will be worse this time because he has less to lose and likely less sane people around him).

Sell me on Biden as he will be in the next four years.

The best selling point on Biden in his apparent current state is that he is still better than Trump, and will surround himself with better people than Trump does. Our President is not a dictator and does not determine absolutely everything that happens (I'm not sure how many on the right understand that--sometimes it seems as if many don't). But Trump appears bent on doing whatever he can to create a dictatorship. He may succeed, he may not, but he's trying.

we have the spectacle of all the Jan 6ers getting pardoned coming up. = Lapsdy

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All? C'mon man. Not all, not the ones doing the physical attacking and damaging. But the old married couple from Omaha just walking through, sure.

If it's not possible to educate you, then it's not possible to win you over.

So Trump won over his supporters by educating them?

People who start their sentence with "so" are generally and knowingly lying for effect.

Trump cemented his base by pandering to greedy fu*ks, bigots, white christian nationalists, racists of all colors and, yes, plain old ignorant folks.

"All I care about is what the next president is going to do for my safety and my pocketbook. And Trump has a much rosier future painted for me than the buffoon who "beat Medicare"."

You are voting for Trump because he painted you a rosy future?

Are you dumb enough to also invest with those "money managers" who promise you 100% annual returns because they are promising a rosy future?

Do you realize that before his last election, Trump promised to come up with a healthcare plan better than the ACA. He backed out of the agreement that prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons because he promised he could reach a better agreement. Trump promised to balance the federal budget. Trump promised that COVID wasn't going to be much of an issue. Trump promised Mexico was going to pay for the wall built between the countries. Trump promised lots of things that never ever came true. Trump tells people what they want to hear because he knows there is some subset who will be dumb enough to actually believe him.

There is a reason Trump brags about loving the less educated.

Wake up. Educate yourself. You are being taken advantage of. Only rather than just hurting yourself by losing your own money, you are hurting the country with your ignorance.

If you are too lazy to educate yourself, fine. Be lazy. In that case, the best thing you can do for yourself and your country is to stay home and not vote in the next presidential election.

All? C'mon man. Not all, not the ones doing the physical attacking and damaging. But the old married couple from Omaha just walking through, sure.

Yes, all. What do you mean, "C'mon man?" Half of the people had light charges for trespassing, no biggee. Even if Trump doesn't pardon a few, he'll pardon the leaders of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Are you confused and think he has principles? He'll do what he thinks makes him look good and he can get away with.

Biden has not promised me anything. .., Why the hell would I vote for him?

I dunno. Maybe because he not a pathological liar. Because he’s not a convicted felon. Because he’s not a sexual predator. Because he’s a decent human being.

—Peter

I am like the clichè battered wife, "oh but Trump loves me!"

It can be very hard to help a victim of domestic abuse until the victim is willing to admit that they’ve been abused.

Are you ready to admit that Trump has been abusing your trust in him?

—Peter

I dunno. Maybe because he not a pathological liar. Because he’s not a convicted felon. Because he’s not a sexual predator. Because he’s a decent human being.

—Peter

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The second coming of Jimmy Carter...

Are you ready to admit that Trump has been abusing your trust in him?

When Trump was President the American people remember we had peace and prosperity. The economy
was good, gas prices were low as well as groceries. Black and Hispanic employment was at a record high, buying a homes and a new car was affordable, we had a secure border, the list goes and all while Trump was enduring the democrats one after another witch hunt. The American people were satisfied and content.
THEN, a pandemic struck....

This is what the American people remember about Trump, they don’t care about his private personal life before he was President. It is why the American people want Trump back as their President.

With Biden we have high gas and groceries prices. Average Americans cannot afford to buy a house or a new car. Wages don’t keep up with the cost of living. Our economy sucks. The American tax dollars are supporting other countries wars and millions billions? tax dollars is spent supporting illegal aliens.
We don’t have a border anymore. Biden welcomes drug runners, sex traffickers, murderers, rapist and more into America.

I dare say the American people trust Trump more now than ever, especially now that the coverup of
Biden’s mental health has been exposed.

Trump promised lots of things that never ever came true.

And remember that when things go wrong on his watch he says: "I take no responsibility..."

What a worthless weasel.

"I am always going to love the lying sack of cowdung who tells me what I want to hear."

Ain't love grand?

"The former New York Observer editor said that Mr Kushner, the former publisher of the paper, informed her that Mr Trump did not believe the “birther” lies he was peddling.

“When I was the editor of the New York Observer, Kushner and I were going back and forth about how the paper should cover him,” Elizabeth Spiers wrote in a post on Twitter.

“I told Jared that I was particularly appalled by his father-in-law’s birtherism stance, which I viewed as cynical and racist.

“He rolled his eyes and said ‘He doesn’t really believe it, Elizabeth. He just knows Republicans are stupid and they’ll buy it’”.

God Bless our Pending Idiocracy

LurkerMom: When Trump was President the American people remember we had peace and prosperity. The economy
was good, gas prices were low as well as groceries. When Trump was President the American people remember ... Black and Hispanic employment was at a record high.

History and the facts are not on your side.

In December 2019, food insecurity affected 10.5% of the U.S. population, or 35.2 million people across 13.7 million households. By summer 2020 the food insecurity rate was estimated at 27.5%. Grocery store shelves were empty. There were shortages of yeast and flour, meat, and canned vegetables. Canned soup, pasta, and rice were in short supply.

You couldn't find paper towels, tissues, diapers, and certainly everyone (but you, evidently) remembers that you couldn't buy toilet paper.

The average of total stockouts of particular types of goods (situations where retailers no longer had those goods available for sale) rose from around 14% of goods in 2019 to over 35% in early May 2020.

But, sure, right, Americans were "satisfied and content."

As for your employment claim, it's false. Black and Hispanic employment reached an all-time high through the end of 2023, accompanied by faster wage growth over the past four years.


LurkerMom: Our economy sucks.

The real gross domestic product (GDP) increased 3.3% in the fourth quarter of 2023, which was higher than expected. This was due to a number of factors, including increased saving, retail sales, and real disposal personal income.

And since you've missed it, the stock markets have set several new all-time highs this year.

https://www.epi.org/indicators/state-unemployment-....


LurkerMom: Wages don’t keep up with the cost of living.

Average hourly wage growth exceeded inflation for 12 straight months in May of this year. Inflation moderated significantly in 2023, with core goods inflation dropping from 12.4% in February 2022 to 0% in October 2023. Core services inflation was 5.5% and declining at the end of last year.

The US added an average of 232,000 nonfarm jobs per month in 2023, which was 55,000 more than the average in 2018 and 2019, pre-pandemic. As of today, the Biden administration had added 15.7 million jobs, and the unemployment rate remained below 4% for 22 months in a row (now 4.1%).

https://www.epi.org/blog/average-wages-have-surpas...


LurkerMom: We don’t have a border anymore. Biden welcomes drug runners, sex traffickers, murderers, rapist and more into America.

We've discussed this over and over and over again: Trump killed the most republican-friendly border bill in decades to make it a campaign issue rather than to make key improvements to advance the nation's security that were endorsed by the U.S. border patrol union and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Plus, as has been statistically proven repeatedly, immigrants commit less crime than native-born Americans.

https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2024/03/immi...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immi...


Orange Jesus babbles that he's the chosen one (but he never attends church services, and cannot name one favorite section of the Bible) and sells fake leather Bibles to idiots for, what, 75 bucks? He called American war dead suckers and losers. He repeatedly called Nancy Pelosi, Nikki Haley. He suggested Americans could possibly cure Covid with disinfectants. He told Americans Covid was no big deal when he knew it was deadly and airborne. He is convinced that electric batteries in boats are electrocution hazards. He said battery-powered airplanes will fall from the sky when there's no sun. He is an adjudicated rapist. He schemed to use fake electors to overturn the 2020 presidential election. He was impeached twice. He quotes Hitler. He has promoted Project 2025 but ow says he never heard of it. And despite having his own private jet, flew on the Lolita Express at least seven times.

Now let's review:

You are wrong.

You are wrong.

You are wrong.

You are wrong.

You are wrong.

You are in a cult.

History and the facts are not on your side.

Tell me then....

Why do the American people want President Trump back and want to give Biden
the boot?

Poll after poll favor Trump, not Biden

Why are Blacks and Hispanics leaving Biden and now following Trump?

https://nypost.com/2024/07/07/us-news/biden-dems-f...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/18/why-are-b...

Why are young voters turning to Trump?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/chance-trump-yout...

Rant all you want on President Trump. You are only wasting your time. The American people didn’t care about all the Kennedy men and their discretions nor Bill Clinton’s disgusting acts in the WH.

The democrat problem, Damn if you do and damn if you don’t toss out DementiaJoe.

LurkerMom: The American people didn’t care about all the Kennedy men and their discretions nor Bill Clinton’s disgusting acts in the WH.

Such delusion.

Most Americans knew nothing about JKF's womanizing and plenty cared about Chappaquiddick. Kennedy pleaded guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident causing bodily injury and when he challenged president Carter in 1979 CBS aired an interview of Kennedy that focused heavily on Chappaquiddick, even calling him a liar at one point, which ended his run for the White House then and forever.

And you're seriously suggesting Americans "didn't care" about the Monica Lewinsky affair? It was headline news for weeks, months. Clinton was impeached. He never would have won reelection had the affair been revealed in his first term. Orange Jesus even made Bill's sex life a substantial piece of his attacks on Hillary. Or did you also conveniently forget the news conference before their debate. You certainly talked enough about it on TMF.

But sure, the Trump Cult has to pivot to a "who cares about that" attitude now that it's been revealed that despite owning his own private jet Orange Jesus flew the Lolita Express at least seven times, he was found liable for rape, has been accused of sexual misconduct or assault by two dozen women, raw dogged a porn star, had a months long affair with a Playboy model while his wife was pregnant -- and paid money to have both hidden from voters during the presidential election -- and the details of his alleged rape of a thirteen-year-old girl with his BBF Jeffrey Epstein have resurfaced, including information that she dropped the law suit after multiple death threats.

Yet somehow none of that is reported on by the "liberal" media.

You, you're in a cult that worships the most vile, corrupt, degenerate politician in American history but the media have no such excuse for failing to support American democracy.

Biden welcomes drug runners, sex traffickers, murderers, rapist and more into America.

To be fair, Trump was already here before Biden became president.

Biden welcomes drug runners, sex traffickers, murderers, rapist and more into America.

To be fair, Trump was already here before Biden became president, and has pictures with Epstein, and was logged onto Epstein's plane seven times.

You, you're in a cult that worships the most vile, corrupt, degenerate politician in American history but the media have no such excuse for failing to support American democracy.

Cool! Better than being captivated by deranged dementia Biden who son, a convicted felon “is acting as “gatekeeper” to his father and helping write speeches for him, while White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre confirmed that he has been sitting in on Joe’s meetings with senior staff.”

A reply from a poster said it best, “Hunter is acting out of desperation. Thinking that a drug-addicted, immoral, whoremongering son who will not even accept all of his children can be effective or powerful in any way is wishful thinking and delusional. I suspect that Miranda is being sarcastic since Joe is the only person in the world who thinks that Hunter is worth anything as a human being. Doctor Jill goes along because everything she has is invested in two garbage Bidens.”

In the future I expect you to include in your Trump rants equal time for the sex crazed Kennedy men and Ted saving his bacon leaving behind Mary Jo Kopechne to drown. The public didn’t know of the sex crazed Kennedy men? LOL..there was plenty of gossip going around, like Marilyn Monroe and her mysterious death being blamed on a drug overdose. Also, don’t forget to include the puke Bill Clinton and his disgusting escapades in the White House.

Biden has not promised me anything. .., Why the hell would I vote for him?

I dunno. Maybe because he not a pathological liar. Because he’s not a convicted felon. Because he’s not a sexual predator. Because he’s a decent human being.

—Peter

I understand your criticism's of Trump.

I might even understand that you could argue that Biden is less of a villain than Trump.

But when you state Biden is a decent human being, as stated above, or that Biden and his team are sharp, stated by others, I don't see any of that. Those statements reduce the credibility of anything else you imply.

Biden is not descent or ethical, by my standards. He is a confirmed Liar on many fronts, he has achieved wealth living off the backs of taxpayers, and not very bright IMO for a President. Although this may be a recent trend, I view Clinton and Obama as far more intelligent and strategic.

I hope Biden steps down and we get someone other than Kamala, but that may not be plausible.

I will add and you may disagree, that Trump when elected should have had the full support of the US Federal government staff at his disposal to see what he could accomplish. That was clearly not the case. His ability to accomplish his promises was severely hampered from Day 1.

If Trump is elected, to avoid this happening again, he will need to fire a significant amount of Federal employees. He can't assume that they would be neutral and carry out his orders. He was unprepared to do this the first time around.

Gator1984: He is a confirmed Liar on many fronts, he has achieved wealth living off the backs of taxpayers...

Gotta' love it when the Trump Cult criticizes anyone for being "a confirmed Liar". No politician in American history bests Trump for spraying a firehose of spectacular, egregious, easily disproved lies.

For low information posters, Biden's income and wealth have been public record for years and the only time he ever made significant sums of money was after leaving the vice presidency when he earned more than $15 million from book deals and speaking engagements.

Biden also earned more than $540,400 for a role at the University of Pennsylvania as a “Benjamin Franklin Presidential Professor of Practice.”

None of that wealth came from "living off the backs of taxpayers."

And as Forbes reports, most of his net worth was acquired through real estate. In 2017, Biden paid $1.7 for a summer home in Rehoboth Beach which, after improvements, is now worth $4.5 million.

The president owns an even larger, though not-quite-as-valuable house in Wilmington’s picturesque Greenville neighborhood. It started as just a piece of land, which Biden bought for $350,000 in 1996, before adding a 6,850-square-foot, colonial-style home two years later, then a 1,900-square-foot cottage in 2005. For years it was Biden’s most-valuable asset, and he refinanced it repeatedly until receiving his 2017 windfall. Today the property is worth an estimated $2.5 million, $700,000 more than it was worth two years ago. Combined, Biden’s two homes make up about two-thirds of his personal fortune.

Sorry, but you're wrong: none of his wealth came from "living off the backs of taxpayers."

None.

Now if you're truly interested in learning about a political grifter there's this guy who the Center for Responsive Politics determined bilked American taxpayers out of over $20 million beginning in 2016. You've probably heard of him: Donald Trump (second link below).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2023/08/1...

https://www.americanoversight.org/tracking-taxpaye...

57 posts and only a few Democrats get the point. So let me make it super explicit.

"I" in my posts is the average American voter. My eyes glaze over when you talk facts and figures. Not because I am lazy or dumb as you condescendingly assume. Because I have a finite amount of attention to give and politics is not my obsession.

I hear Trump telling me what I like. And the man has charisma. His personal life is none of my business.

I see Biden mumbling and stumbling. He may be only 3 years older than Trump but to me, he is completely over the hill. I cannot imagine he can do his studies as a president for the next four years. Whereas Trump in comparison definitely can.

Regardless of my level of education or intelligence, you need me. I don't need you. Instead of trying to improve me or berate me, you need to sell me on your candidate. That is democracy whether you call it Idiocracy or whatever.

I hear Trump telling me what I like.

That's what a conman does. He tells every group what they like.

And the man has charisma.

Again, that is the stock in trade of a fraud, a con artist.

His personal life is none of my business.

As citizens, the illegal conduct of elected officials is precisely our business. We have every right to know who is raping, cheating and defrauding us whether it's a local businessman, a law enforcement officer, or an elected official.

I cannot imagine he <Biden> can do his studies as a president for the next four years. Whereas Trump in comparison definitely can.

Trump famously declined the morning briefings EVERY president ought to be taking. He preferred watching Fox and texting lies to his base. He got angry with his staff when they presented any info he considered negative.

Regardless of my level of education or intelligence, you need me.

Maybe so, but if your "eyes glaze over at facts" and you prefer to listen to a fast talking, word-salad spewing conman lie to you, you get what you get.

Gator1984: He is a confirmed Liar on many fronts, he has achieved wealth living off the backs of taxpayers...

That would make sense as irony, but in no other way...at all.

MAGA world must invert reality in order to deal with what must be crushing cognitive dissonance. But why?

Yes, Biden has been a public servant and he served the public well. Trump OTOH makes a living by scamming, cheating and grifting. And talk about LIES!

Instead of trying to improve me or berate me, you need to sell me on your candidate.

That decision process was what the Biden campaign was trying to avoid.

Not every voter - not every "me" or "I" in your formulation - decides to cast their vote this way. Some voters, before they get to a comparison between the candidates, will reject a candidate out of hand as just being unsupportable. Disqualified. Unacceptable. That regardless of the merits or policies of the other candidate, they just are never going to vote for the candidate that has the undigestible defect.

IOW, the Biden strategy was to make it about Trump. Get enough voters to decide that Trump was simply not an acceptable candidate as a threshold matter, and then you don't need to sell them on Biden.

That was a winning strategy in 2020....though re-election campaigns are often naturally "referendum" campaigns, where voters' first assessment is how they feel about the incumbent before moving on to the challenger. They were going to run it again this year.

But now, that campaign strategy can't work any more. It only works if there's nothing truly disqualifying about your own candidate. If your opponent has a fatal flaw, then any voter that agrees with you that it's a fatal flaw doesn't need to be sold on your candidate. But if your candidate also has a fatal flaw, then - at best - you're asking the voter to balance which fatal flaw is worse. And for some voters, they might look at your candidate's fatal flaw and stop there.

The Biden strategy already wasn't working too well. He was in much worse shape than in 2020, despite Trump's fatal flaws. Partially that's because (again) voters have an inclination to view re-elections as a referendum on the incumbent, and partially that's because the flaws Trump exhibited as President were several years ago. So they weren't top of mind for many voters.

The plan for the debate was for Biden to refresh voters' memories on the Trump fatal flaws - which might have revitalized the Biden campaign. What happened was that Biden put his own fatal flaw in front of the viewers. The original Biden strategy now has virtually no chance of succeeding, because Biden won't or can't do what he needs to do to erase voter doubts about his mental acuity.

I might even understand that you could argue that Biden is less of a villain than Trump.

By an order of magnitude.

But when you state Biden is a decent human being, as stated above, Biden is not descent or ethical, by my standards. He is a confirmed Liar on many fronts,

OK, let's stop here. By what criteria are you stating that Biden isn't a decent human being? I allow decent human beings to make mistakes and to evolve over time, but please explain with facts and examples. Even the opposition, before Trump, thought Biden was a good decent man. Trump is should be completely out of bounds for you then, but doesn't appear to be. Doesn't this seem hypocritical to you at all?

he has achieved wealth living off the backs of taxpayers,

Most of his wealth seems to have come from recent book sales. How is that living off the back of taxpayers? Explain this in simple terms.

I will add and you may disagree, that Trump when elected should have had the full support of the US Federal government staff at his disposal to see what he could accomplish. That was clearly not the case. His ability to accomplish his promises was severely hampered from Day 1.

Trump's problem from Day 1 was that he didn't expect to win, had no idea what he was doing, and was incompetent. There is no indication he didn't have support other than what he asked for was feudal lord loyalty to him, Trump - remember his meeting with Comey? The incoming President normally replaces a variety of positions – but Trump’s changes were moving along very slowly, much slower that usual, and we wondered why. Then after a while we found out Trump spent much of his day watching TV and on Twitter. His staff was doing all that, and he had a high turnover in staff. Remember Scaramooci? So Trump was his own problem. Then you have this apologetic justification:

If Trump is elected, to avoid this happening again, he will need to fire a significant amount of Federal employees. He can't assume that they would be neutral and carry out his orders.

Translation: Trump knows he’ll have to put in lackeys that will do what he wants and ignore law, the Constitution and the American Way. Not to worry – he has pardon power and possibly may pardon you unless his advisors advise him not to.


He was unprepared (---) the first time around.

I will add and you may disagree, that Trump when elected should have had the full support of the US Federal government staff at his disposal to see what he could accomplish. That was clearly not the case. His ability to accomplish his promises was severely hampered from Day 1.


All your statements are ridiculous. Trump is a horrible human being and an incompetent and corrupt poser. Biden is a decent and honorable man who has had a lifetime of public service. The only thing Trump serves is his own narcissistic needs. He is a sick man.

Trump couldn't manage a lemonade stand. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has faked his way through life. Never really a success at anything but grifting. To blame his failures on the workers in the civil service is ridiculous. And if he wins he will bring with him nothing but incompetent sycophants whose only qualification will be fealty to Trump. You will see corruption on a massive scale. At least in his first administration he had some smart and decent people. But over time he managed to get rid of most of them or they just quit, not being able to stomach working for someone so incompetent and un-American.

And on top of everything else he is a rape-y SOB who should be consigned to the dustbin of history. And would be, if we only had a well-informed electorate.

knighttof3: I see Biden mumbling and stumbling. He may be only 3 years older than Trump but to me, he is completely over the hill. I cannot imagine he can do his studies as a president for the next four years. Whereas Trump in comparison definitely can.

Well, let's compare.

TRUMP, praising the Americans’ military efforts in the war against Great Britain: “Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.”

He was talking about a war in the 18th century but airplanes were not used in warfare until the 20th century.

TRUMP, suggesting president Andrew Jackson could have prevented the Civil War: “People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?” If Jackson had been president “a little later, you wouldn’t have had the Civil War. He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War. He said, ‘There’s no reason for this.’”

Andrew Jackson was president from March 4, 1829 – March 4, 1837. Jackson died June 8, 1845. The American Civil War was fought between 1861 and 1865.

Referring to the War of 1812 during a tense 2018 phone call with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Trump said “Didn’t you guys burn down the White House?”

Well, no. It was British troops that burned down the White House during the War of 1812, not Canadian forces.

Trump suggested injecting bleach to cure Covid-19.

But yeah, sure, that's the guy with all his marbles.

Compared to Trump, Biden is a Rhodes Scholar.

And you're in a cult.

knighttof3: "I see Biden mumbling and stumbling. He may be only 3 years older than Trump but to me, he is completely over the hill. I cannot imagine he can do his studies as a president for the next four years. Whereas Trump in comparison definitely can."

Well, The lying, rapist, 34X convicted felon, draft dodging, charity stealing, bobby pin wearing Donald Trump lied a total of 30,573 times over his 4 year presidency. Averaging about 21 erroneous claims a day.
This is a Documented fact. Trump is a PROVEN LIAR. He's made a career of lying to dumb people. Is this what you mean by, "doing his studies as a president?"
How many times did he lie during the debate? How many times will he lie in his next term? Build a wall? Have Mexico pay for it? Pay off the national debt? He won the election? Repeal and replace Obamacare?
Show his taxes? Hire only the best people? Find Obama's "real" birth certificate? All lies, and so many more I couldn't possibly list them all. 79% of Trump's tweets were rated False by politifact check.
Why do MAGAs like being lied to?

BTW The 9th Commandment says,
"You shall not bear false witness."
This commandment forbids bribery and forgery and even the least suggestion contrary to truth. It forbids libel, slander, and backbiting, and calls for the truth and nothing but the truth.
In Revelation 22:15, we are told, "whoever loves and practices a lie will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem."

The lying, cheating, stealing, adultering, rapist Trump, is on the Highway To Hell.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24...

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2024/wha...

The lying, cheating, stealing, adultering, rapist Trump, is on the Highway To Hell.

If there was a hell.

And if there was a God, Trump would be struck down dead where he stands. He's no small time sinner. He sins yugely. People are saying he's the best sinner of all.

Love your golden calf you MAGA fools. This scenario has played out many times before and it never ends well.

Not every voter - not every "me" or "I" in your formulation - decides to cast their vote this way. Some voters, before they get to a comparison between the candidates, will reject a candidate out of hand as just being unsupportable. Disqualified. Unacceptable.

Well put. For many, Trump was and is that candidate. But as you said for many others, now Biden is that candidate.

BTW I realize that it was presumptuous of me to say that I am the average American voter. But I think the "I" above is somewhere near the median.

Compared to Trump, Biden is a Rhodes Scholar.

And you're in a cult.

I rest my case.

Someone else in the thread above, just threw up their hands and said you get what you deserve.

It doesn't sound like you guys are fighting for survival of democracy. Why are you defending Biden so much except that he is not Trump? I get that very clearly, and so does everybody else. Trump has much more energy. Biden is a mumbling old man. I don't know what to tell you, but the lying cheating part does not matter as much as the senility part. That is the reality whether you want it to be or not.

No matter how much you personally adore Biden, he is absolutely not getting the job done and needs to be replaced as a candidate. Now.

Biden is not descent or ethical, by my standards.

Is Trump decent or ethical by your standards?

—Peter

Is Trump decent or ethical by your standards?

Beyond belief that anyone could seriously answer yes to that question. It's a cult.

"Biden is not descent or ethical, by my standards."

This is only because you are a low information voter who gets his information from sources that take advantage of your ignorance. This has been repeatedly shown on this board where you constantly get facts and context about events incorrect. Your refusal to do better is what is destroying democracy.

If you were to deal in actual facts and not the nutty inuendo that your information sources use to take advantage of you, you will find that Joe Biden has been one of the most decent and ethical people in politics over the past 50 years. When he was in the Senate, he was regularly teased because he was almost always among the poorest Senators. His biggest monetary scores were: writing a book and buying a couple of houses that greatly appreciated in value. Beyond those, everything has come from his salary as a public servant. He is as honest as any politician we have ever had.

What is most bizarre is how any poster can say they are voting for Trump, and then talk about the decency and ethics of Biden. Are you really that clueless?

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