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Author: WendyBG   😊 😞
Number: of 2032 
Subject: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/21/2025 11:53 AM
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Since the Federal Reserve began raising the fed funds rate in 2022 to attempt to quell inflation the markets have been hoping for cuts to provide them with the crack cocaine of free money they enjoyed for most of the time since the 2008 financial crisis.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDFUNDS

The markets have “front run” the Fed at least 4 or 5 times by anticipating cuts the the Fed didn’t do, followed by disappointment and a stock market drop.

All the speculators are jumping for joy that the Fed cut the fed funds rate by 0.25% last week as they predicted for months. Now they are front-running the Fed again.

https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/interest-rat...

Wall Street Bets Rates Will Drop Much More Than the Fed’s Forecasts

Futures markets show investors bet rates will fall below 3% by end of next year

By Sam Goldfarb, The Wall Street Journal, 9/21/2025

Wall Street thinks interest rates are poised to come down faster than the Federal Reserve does—a wager that is already boosting the economy and markets by making it cheaper for Americans to borrow.

Bets in the futures market show investors expect that the Fed’s benchmark short-term rate will fall just below 3% by the end of next year, from slightly above 4% now…

It is also below what most Fed officials are forecasting. Their latest “dot plot” showed a median expectation that rates end next year at 3.4%—the equivalent of two fewer quarter-point rate cuts than investors are anticipating. …
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The speculators are betting that President Trump’s pressure on the Fed will lead to a lower fed funds rate even if inflation stays high. They may be right.

Savers who like to keep significant liquidity (cash and short-term Treasuries) in banks and money markets will see interest income decline. We have already been through this twice since 2008. It's worth considering an extended bond ladder. If interest rates drop the value of the existing bonds will increase and they can be sold. It's normal for bond yields to fall during a recession which drives bond prices up at the same time that stock prices drop.

Barring QE from the Fed, the bond market sets the longer-term yields which control mortgage rates and other important economic interest rates. Investors in long bonds do not want to see their coupons eaten away by inflation. The lower fed funds rate can lead to higher inflation expectations and therefore higher long-term yields.

The Underlying Inflation Dashboard from the Atlanta Fed shows every data point in the red. Despite this, 10-Year Expected Inflation from the bond market is stable at 2.3%. This is calculated from a Cleveland Fed model that uses Treasury yields, inflation data, inflation swaps, and survey-based measures of inflation expectations and is independent of the BLS inflation numbers that I no longer trust completely since Trump fired the director of the BLS.

The Treasury yield curve is already beginning to steepen. The long bond yields began to fall in anticipation of the fed funds rate cut but now the yields are rising again at the long end. The 10-year Treasury, TIPS and real yields are now near the bottom of the channel they established in 2023 but they have not broken below their yield channel despite the expectation of a drop in the fed funds rate.

The yield curve will become steeper as it has many times before when the Fed cut the fed funds rate but the long yields remained high.

The Chicago Fed’s National Financial Conditions Index (NFCI), which provides a comprehensive weekly update on U.S. financial conditions in money markets, debt and equity markets, and the traditional and “shadow” banking systems, shows very loose financial conditions which is providing a flood of money. Financial stress is extremely low.

Debit Balances in Customers' Securities Margin Accounts, which broke $1 Trillion in June for the first time, continue to climb. This correlates with the climb in the stock indexes.

The trade is strongly risk-on as stock and junk bond prices are rising while the 10 year Treasury price is falling. The Fear & Greed Index is in Greed.

The weekly METAR is a short-term weather forecast. My longer-term concern is the bubble in the stock market which is underpinned by huge borrowing to build gigantic data processing facilities. Although much of the spending is by tech giants which can fund out of cash flow a lot is borrowed.

https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=916734612

The Price-to-earnings ratio based on average inflation-adjusted earnings from the previous 10 years, known as the Cyclically Adjusted P/E Ratio (CAPE Ratio), is 40 compared with a long-term median of 16. This is one of the biggest bubbles in U.S. history and would collapse if anything threatened investors' manic confidence in AI profits. Which so far are little to none. Even if the bubble doesn't collapse the market is tremendously overpriced so future returns will probably disappoint.

The METAR for next week is sunny.

Wendy

https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cm...

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/candleglance.ht...

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/candleglance.ht...

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/candleglance.ht...

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php

https://www.cnn.com/markets/fear-and-greed

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DGS10

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DFII10

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/REAINTRATREARAT...

https://www.chicagofed.org/research/data/nfci/curr...

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/STLFSI4

https://www.finra.org/rules-guidance/key-topics/ma...

https://www.atlantafed.org/research/inflationproje...

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EXPINF10YR

https://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A191RL1Q225SBEA
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Author: OrmontUS 🐝🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 2032 
Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/21/2025 7:45 PM
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Back on TMF's from time to time I would post my equity holdings as I've always felt them to be more interesting than bonds. That said, based in part on the information Wendy has been posting, I figured I'd do a bit of evaluation on what my bond ladder looks like (all government of one sort or another and mostly "inflation protected" - not that I don't think the government won't try to minimize the reported rate). As in equities, I tend to buy individual bonds rather than funds. On the I-Savings bonds, you can determine the date I bought them by subtracting 30 from their maturity date. The percentage of ownership is based on their market price today (not on either cost nor maturity value).

Jeff

9.10%.....2029.....Treasury TIP
9.73%.....2031.....I Savings Bonds
2.54%.....2032.....I Savings Bonds
23.62%....2032.....Treasury TIP
2.25%.....2033.....I Savings Bonds
1.41%.....2034.....I Savings Bonds
24.43%....2035.....Treasury TIP
2.92%.....2037.....Municipal (assorted school districts)
5.90%.....2039.....FEDERAL HOME LOAN BANK
14.90%....2051.....Treasury TIP
2.09%.....2052.....I Savings Bonds
0.70%.....2053.....I Savings Bonds
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Author: WendyBG   😊 😞
Number: of 2032 
Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/21/2025 10:00 PM
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That's a nice bond ladder.
Be aware that FEDERAL HOME LOAN BANK often calls issues and that may also be true of some of the munis.

Treasury securities of any type are non-callable.
Wendy
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Author: InParadise   😊 😞
Number: of 2032 
Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 4:39 AM
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Savers who like to keep significant liquidity (cash and short-term Treasuries) in banks and money markets will see interest income decline. We have already been through this twice since 2008. It's worth considering an extended bond ladder. If interest rates drop the value of the existing bonds will increase and they can be sold. It's normal for bond yields to fall during a recession which drives bond prices up at the same time that stock prices drop.

The ability to sell the bonds will depend on them continuing to provide a flight to safety. That perception of safety depends on continued faith in the government, a government whose leader you recently referred to as having the style of The Godfather. IMO it's time to re-evaluate just how safe an investment US Gov't bonds are, as well as other truisms such as when rates go down employment goes up and the economy improves. Base assumptions for these truisms may no longer be the same. A paradigm shift may be underway. Be careful of assuming bonds are safe.

IP

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Author: OrmontUS 🐝🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 2032 
Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 7:04 AM
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IP makes a good point. If the finite (but hopefully infinitesimal) possibility of the US dollar losing its value causes you to lose sleep, one strategy is to diversify enough of your holdings out of it (both monetarily and geographically) to afford you significant protection from the event. Whether this is done with stocks, bonds, real estate, cash, gold, cryptocurrency or other means is a matter of personal preference.

Jeff
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Author: Timer321   😊 😞
Number: of 2032 
Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 11:10 AM
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What happens if the US defaults?

That is my central question.
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 12:12 PM
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What happens if the US defaults?
That is my central question.


"Defaults again" might be better phrasing : ) The 1934 Liberty Bond default was massive.
Of course I've just broken a US law by saying that: 4th amendment: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned." Well, I question it.

Since all the debt is issued in US dollars, a normal default as in many other countries--simply not paying the money back--is essentially off the table, since the money can always just be created. The US theoretically could default that way, but it would make no sense since a simple signature makes the problem completely go away.

Consequently the main categories of default for the future are "technical" defaults, like T-bills getting repaid a few days late again because of a debt ceiling showdown, or "repressive" defaults, as in retrospective changes to the terms so that existing holders are limited in some way. e.g., changes to the date that the bonds get redeemed, or restrictions are added which reduce their true value, such as restrictions on transfer. The timely example here is the recently mooted forced conversion of short term debt to infinite term debt for non-US public sector holders. (or other holders as well, nobody knows unless and until it happens)

At the start of this year I owned a lot of T-bills. But, not being American, I don't lend money to the US any more.

Jim
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Author: Timer321   😊 😞
Number: of 2032 
Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 12:54 PM
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At the start of this year, I owned a lot of T-bills. But, not being American, I don't lend money to the US anymore.


Jim,

Feel the global babe that went Ouch! If the US defaults.

What institutions do you trust if the US defaults on the debt? Where?

UK brokerages that won't deal in margin debt and are heavily regulated. But where else? Very few institutions would not cough up some hairballs.
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 3:33 PM
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At the start of this year, I owned a lot of T-bills. But, not being American, I don't lend money to the US anymore.
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What institutions do you trust if the US defaults on the debt? Where?


Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I think there is much default risk visible to me for US government securities, especially for Americans. I'm not particularly worried about a US default. Everything has risks, and those aren't big in the grand scheme of things. As mentioned, the US can never be in a financial situation that they are unable to redeem US dollar denominated bonds, so any default would be purely intentional.

No, I just prefer not to invest much in the US any more because it is now a declared enemy of the West. Siding with Russia and North Korea against erstwhile allies and announcing plans to forcibly annex bits of Latin America, Europe and Canada puts me into the same situation as a Ukrainian considering investing in Russia: fine if you're cool with that sort of thing, but not for me, thanks. So long as there are alternatives, I'll look to those. Some people comment that "it will never happen", but if you're a citizen of one of the countries involved, that dismissal is indescribably offensive. And naďve.

I certainly appreciate that many Americans don't agree with Washington's stance on all such matters, and that's valid and (to some like me) appreciated, in the same sense that I appreciate that there are lots of really nice peaceful folks in Russia. But I also appreciate that neither group's views matter a whit. One deals with the world as it is, not as one wishes it to be.

Jim
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Author: Timer321   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 4:15 PM
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You did not imply it. I am.

The tax base is about to shrink rapidly.
Unemployment is going to spiral.
Housing prices are going to tumble.
Markets will follow.

We are creating over $2 trillion in debt per year.
I had no problem with that, but with the current corporate tax policy, the US economy is underperforming. The tariffs will raise unemployment, and we will economically go over the edge.

The poli theater, as you noted in a recent post, is all about stopping tax hikes. We will hit a wall. The debt won't be manageable.

The hard maths do not add up as this economy falls apart. Short of a steep corporate tax hike, the die is cast.

We know we can act very radically to do things. Kind of ironic because we won't. Paradoxically, because the one change we absolutely need is the radical change we are hiding from.

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Author: Timer321   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Market front-running the Fed agai
Date: 09/22/2025 4:29 PM
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https://www.fastcompany.com/91408269/housing-marke...


Sun Belt housing markets are so weak that homebuilder Lennar’s average home price is down 22%
Lennar spent an average of 14.3% of its final sales price on incentives in Q3 2025. That’s its highest incentive rate since 2009.


I had a headline last week that YoY July prices had declined in 38% of the largest 200 real estate markets in the US. That, of course, does not include markets that currently are falling but did not have a negative YoY July 2025 number.
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