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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/21/25 12:05 PM
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From reddit...

Get a bronze plan and open a HSA. Drop a few grand in it and lower your MAGI below the 400% federal poverty limit and regain your subsidies. If you're over 55 it's $5400.
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/21/25 12:31 PM
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Get a bronze plan and open a HSA. Drop a few grand in it and lower your MAGI below the 400% federal poverty limit and regain your subsidies. If you're over 55 it's $5400.

That's my plan. Subsidies depend on income and where you live - down to the county.

For my family of 5 the annual subsidy will be $19,932 ($22,176 if enhanced subs were retained) on a MAGI of $150k.
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/23/25 2:15 PM
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That's my plan. Subsidies depend on income and where you live - down to the county.

For my family of 5 the annual subsidy will be $19,932 ($22,176 if enhanced subs were retained) on a MAGI of $150k.


I agree. When I first came back to the states, it was all bewildering, and I chose without realizing I was choosing. I was just getting used to the idea I had cancer in my tonsil and didn't really have a full diagnosis.

Now, you have to be too much on top of things or you'll make a big mistake. I have this nagging thought that I might get the same care for cheaper, but I can't tell even if I look. I have yet to find a place that will tell me what my current medigap would be if I had known about that choice, or if I had that choice still while coming back overseas,and what the differences in care would be. I;m satisfied at the moment and am looking for cheaper car insurance. :)
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 1:14 PM
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Bill Cassidy Touts Plan To Change ACA Subsidies Says Legal Framework Is 'Already In Place'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4rA-qrQSXc

Bronze plan, government gives a subsidy within an HSA account to help pay the deductible.

Doesn't sound so bad, as long as the original subsidies for the premiums are still in place. If no subs for premiums then it will not work.
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 2:07 PM
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Bronze plan, government gives a subsidy within an HSA account to help pay the deductible.

Doesn't sound so bad, as long as the original subsidies for the premiums are still in place. If no subs for premiums then it will not work.


Yes. Maybe they can rename the subsidies to Trump Tariff Aid to help assure survival. :-)
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 3:14 PM
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Adrian C,

Unfortunately, per the interview with Hakeem Jeffries that you posted recently, the Democrat House Caucus is not looking for a compromise.

They are looking to continue their obstruction of a resolution of the ACA dispute, and will never agree to anything that is palatable to House Republicans.

This is to inflict pain on the American people and attempt to hang the blame on the impasse and the pain on the Republicans at the 2026 midterms.

This was the strategy behind the Schumer Shutdown and continues to be the Dem strategy.

They will not compromise.
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 7:01 PM
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“ Unfortunately, per the interview with Hakeem Jeffries that you posted recently, the Democrat House Caucus is not looking for a compromise.

They are looking to continue their obstruction of a resolution of the ACA dispute, and will never agree to anything that is palatable to House Republicans.”

They’d agree to a one year extension while a bipartisan solution is worked out. I’m sure of that.

And no Republican solution is going to be ready for this cycle anyway. We are selecting our insurance plans right now. So a one year extension makes sense.
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 8:08 PM
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They’d agree to a one year extension while a bipartisan solution is worked out. I’m sure of that.

And no Republican solution is going to be ready for this cycle anyway. We are selecting our insurance plans right now. So a one year extension makes sense.


I read that Trump was going to tout a 2 year extension. Sorry you have to deal with that, but there's disunity on the Republican side I've read, so they should extend. If they extend to 2028, it'll likely became an election issue.

Yes, you do have to choose now. My wife is now on my insurance, but I'm not sure if it extends after I die. Have to check. :) I signed both of us up for FEPblue dental insurance, I'm using it to limit treatment as I think there are mercenary dentists around here. One dentist came up with a $12k bill for my teeth. Had a tough time following him, but he seemed to think there were infections at the bottom of every crown, etc., and they would have to pull the crown, drill down and kill the infection, and make a new crown. Dental capitalism. :) My wife's teeth need work. I got a crown, x rays, and laser teeth cleaning in the Phils for $500. No mention of infections everywhere in my mouth.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 8:50 PM
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Hakeem Jeffries in that interview you cited said the Dems would not agree to less than a three year extension.

You have to actually watch the video like I did.
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 8:52 PM
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Hakeem Jeffries is insisting on a three year extension right in an interview that Adrianc linked to but apparently none of you bothered actually watching
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 9:13 PM
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Hakeem Jeffries is insisting on a three year extension right in an interview that Adrianc linked to but apparently none of you bothered actually watching

I read what I stated after Jeffries video. In negotiations you almost never want to lead with your final offer. I figure you know that. So Trump leading with 2 years extension with limits? What are the limits? It'll get interesting near the end of the second week in December, but let's keep the thread alive. :)
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 10:07 PM
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Here it is. Looks like a trial balloon.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House is circulating a proposal that would extend subsidies to help consumers pay for coverage under the Affordable Care Act for two more years, as millions of Americans face spiking health care costs when the current tax credits are set to expire at the end of the year.

The draft plan suggests that President Donald Trump is open to extending a provision of Obamacare as his administration and congressional Republicans search for a broader policy solution to a fight that has long flummoxed the party. The White House stresses that no plan is final until Trump announces it.

The subsidies were at the heart of the Democrats’ demands in the government shutdown fight that ended earlier this month. Most Democratic lawmakers had insisted on a straight extension of the tax credits, which expire at the end of the year as a condition of keeping the government open

Eligibility for the Obamacare subsidies, which were put in place during the COVID-19 pandemic to help people afford health care coverage, would be capped at 700% of the federal poverty level, according to two people with knowledge of the proposal. The people spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss a White House proposal that is in draft form.

The baseline tax credits that were originally part of the Affordable Care Act were capped at 400% of the federal poverty level, but that cut-off was suspended because of the temporary COVID-era credits that allowed middle- and higher-income people to benefit from subsidies too.

The White House would also require those on Obamacare, regardless of the type of coverage, to pay some sort of premium for their Obamacare plans. That would effectively end zero-premium plans for those with lower incomes, addressing a concern from Republicans that the program has enabled fraud. One option is a requirement that everyone pay 2% of their income, or at least $5 per month, for lower-tier plans.

The White House would also require those on Obamacare, regardless of the type of coverage, to pay some sort of premium for their Obamacare plans. That would effectively end zero-premium plans for those with lower incomes, addressing a concern from Republicans that the program has enabled fraud. One option is a requirement that everyone pay 2% of their income, or at least $5 per month, for lower-tier plans.

Even as the White House’s proposal remains in flux, the notion of extending any part of President Barack Obama’s signature legislative achievement is likely to rankle conservatives who have sought to repeal and replace the law for well over a decade.

“Until President Trump makes an announcement himself, any reporting about the administration’s health care positions is mere speculation,” White House spokesman Kush Desai said Monday.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters on Monday afternoon that Trump “is very much involved in these talks” and that he is “focused on unveiling a health care proposal that will fix the system and will bring down costs for consumers.”

But there are signs that parts of the nascent White House plan could get buy-in from Democrats. New Hampshire Sen. Maggie Hassan, one of eight members of the Senate Democratic caucus who voted to reopen the government earlier this month, said it “represents a starting point for serious negotiations.”

“The fact that President Trump is putting forward any offer at all to extend the Affordable Care Act’s tax credits shows that there is a broad understanding that inaction in this regard will cause serious harm to the American people,” Hassan said. (more)

https://apnews.com/article/trump-affordable-care-a...

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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/24/25 10:17 PM
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“The fact that President Trump is putting forward any offer at all to extend the Affordable Care Act’s tax credits shows that there is a broad understanding that inaction in this regard will cause serious harm to the American people,” Hassan said. (more)

Serious harm to his poll numbers. He needs to perform some razzmatazz, that looks like a solution, protects insurance company profits, and throws the Proles under the bus.

Steve
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/25/25 8:22 AM
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Hakeem Jeffries is insisting on a three year extension right in an interview that Adrianc linked to but apparently none of you bothered actually watching

I watched it last night. Jeffries talked about a 1-year extension later in the interview.

Looks like Trump's plan was DOA. Skuttled by the hard-right.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/25/25 9:04 AM
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Again, ProGlibs ignoring reality; lying and denying when confronted with reality; and gaslighting.

Hakeem Jeffries said what he said, repeatedly, in a lengthy interview with Becky Quick, a very polished, no nonsense, knowledgable journalist who gave Jeffries numerous opportunities in a 10+ minute interview to back off or clarify his position.

Jeffries was very clear. He said what he said, repeatedly.

Stop pulling stuff out of your cloaca and then spinning lies.

This is all part of the shutdown strategy--inflict as much pain as possible on the American people leading up to the 2026 midterms, and blame the Republicans for it.

Stop lying though.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/25/25 9:09 AM
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Of course it's a trial balloon. Republicans have been sending up trial balloons from before the shutdown about this.

Republicans' position on the extension of the ACA enhanced subsidies has been very, very clear: willingness to work in a bipartisan fashion to attempt to come to some kind of workable compromise--but NOT in response to the Schumer Shutdown blackmail attempt.

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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/25/25 9:14 AM
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Nah, Jeffries never stated in that interview he had any interest in a 1-year extension. 3 years. He "talked about" a 1-year extension to state that it was completely unacceptable.
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Heaalthcare plan....
Date: 11/25/25 9:39 AM
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Looks like Trump's plan was DOA. Skuttled by the hard-right.

Pity. 1 year makes sense. I wouldn't want to have health care as an issue in 2028 if I was GOP. Big Pharma and Medical Plans should be able to put pressure and bribe, but that isn't evident. We know they need to talk to pass this thing, and it seems that will be in December. I jsut don't want it cut too much.
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