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Author: commonone 🐝🐝 BRONZE
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Subject: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 11:25 AM
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Lin-Manuel Miranda has canceled the entire Kennedy Center run of Hamilton, originally scheduled from March 3 to April 26, 2026.

The Trumpedo administration is threatening to sue artists who cancel performances, forgetting that this is America and performers are not required to sing and dance at the State's command.

Rhiannon Giddens, Chuck Redd, Kristy, Lee, Peter Wolf, Low Cut Connie, Issa Rae, and the Gay Men’s Chorus of Washington, D.C., have also canceled.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 11:51 AM
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The Trumpedo administration is threatening to sue artists who cancel performances, forgetting that this is America and performers are not required to sing and dance at the State's command.

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And CO and the performers are forgetting that this is America and they are required to meet contractual obligations.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 11:56 AM
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And CO and the performers are forgetting that this is America and they are required to meet contractual obligations.

Throw em in jail. That will look good for the Kennedy Center.

Especially if Trump leads the charge, mouthing words about “contractual obligations”.

I think he’d rather say “fk those woke bstrds”.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:00 PM
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...and the performers are forgetting that this is America and they are required to meet contractual obligations.

Though perhaps not if the contracts were made with the Kennedy Center, as opposed to the Trump-Kennedy Center! 😉
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:07 PM
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Throw em in jail. That will look good for the Kennedy Center. - bill

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Civil matter, no jail....
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Author: commonone 🐝🐝 BRONZE
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:09 PM
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bighairymike: And CO and the performers are forgetting that this is America and they are required to meet contractual obligations.

Yeah, I'm sure those performers -- and their attorneys -- never thought of that.

Standard contracts have a morals clause that would enable cancellation if the venue’s actions bring public controversy or association would harm the artist’s reputation, or even if the venue engages in conduct “inconsistent with the values” of the artist or production.

Contracts usually have a materials change clause as well, allowing cancellation if the venue undergoes a fundamental change in identity, leadership, or mission.

Care to try again?

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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:17 PM
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Civil matter, no jail....

Very simple. You sign a contract to perform, you perform. But nooo. Gotta make a political statement.

Not unlike when Trump won the first time and Pence is in the audience. They stopped the performance to lecture the man when he just wants to enjoy the show. Insufferable doesn’t begin to describe this kind narcissism.
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Author: wzambon 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:22 PM
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Very simple. You sign a contract to perform, you perform. But nooo. Gotta make a political statement.

The arts have always had a major role in making political statements.

And authoritarian regimes have always attempted to shut them up or co-opt them.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:24 PM
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Standard contracts have a morals clause

Of course, his nibs insists he is brilliant, perfect, wonderful, and always right. So they go to court again, and his nibs has all the resources of the US government, to force his will on people.

Steve
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Author: ptheland 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:39 PM
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they are required to meet contractual obligations.

No one is required to meet contractual obligations. Usually. In rare instances - most often in contracts to buy and sell real estate - specific performance can be ordered by a court.

More typically, failing to meet contractual obligations simply means you become subject to the penalty clauses in the contract. I’m quite sure those cancelling performances in protest of the name change are well aware of that.

—Peter
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:45 PM
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The arts have always had a major role in making political statements.

And authoritarian regimes have always attempted to shut them up or co-opt them.


You understand that the “authoritarian regime” actually wants them to perform, right?
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Author: commonone 🐝🐝 BRONZE
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:46 PM
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Dope1: You sign a contract to perform, you perform.

Well, yeah, sure, kinda' like when Hitler took over the Berlin State Opera and Deutsches Theater except in America artists still have legal recourse.

They do today, anyway.

Maybe you can get Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, Jon Voight, Sylvester Stallone, James Woods, and Roseanne Barr to perform in place of the cast of Hamilton.


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Author: AlphaWolf 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 12:53 PM
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Very simple. You sign a contract to perform, you perform. But nooo. Gotta make a political statement.

Actually, the contract was for performing at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. It was Trump who breached the contract by changing the name to the Infantile Moron Donald Trump and John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.

Miranda should sue Trump for billions for lying about the name on the original contract.

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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 1:07 PM
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reaching across the aisle with MAGA, i agree that trump's word\bond\contracts all have the same value.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 1:14 PM
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Very simple. You sign a contract to perform, you perform.

I have read that, when "1776" was released, there was one song that Nixon didn't like, so it was cut from the film.

If the show is supposed to be selections from "Hamilton", maybe they can sneak that one from "1776" in?

Fortunately, the song was restored for video and TV releases, after Nixon was gone.

1776 - "Cool, Considerate Men" (1972 Film Clip)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxaAw2viEIQ

Here's another cheery little ditty they could sneak in to a "selections from Hamilton" performance, for the King of grifters.

1776 - Molasses To Rum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeuaTpH6Ck0

for the folks who almost recognize him, that piece is performed by John Cullum, who, some years later, played Holling, on "Northern Exposure".

Steve

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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 1:31 PM
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Civil matter, no jail....

Very simple. You sign a contract to perform, you perform. But nooo. Gotta make a political statement.


It's the American Way Dope. Watch what you want - they can also change the performance so it becomes highly critical of Trump. Take your choice.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 1:52 PM
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And CO and the performers are forgetting that this is America and they are required to meet contractual obligations.

The nature of the venue has substantially changed. The contract was breached when a narcissistic lying fascist rapist pedophile racist took over the venue.

An artist ought not be compelled to perform for a narcissistic lying fascist rapist pedophile racist.
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 2:11 PM
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An artist ought not be compelled to perform for a narcissistic lying fascist rapist pedophile racist.

A fat man with an orange face appears on stage with a crown, fires a gun in the air, another man fires, dealing a mortal blow, for the rest of the play the orange man lies in bed firing off missives about how persecuted he is by the woke, how stupid his enemies are, all funds in blue states are frozen and transferred to red states, illegals may be shot on sight, while directing Venezuela and Iran be bombed, and a court jester is prepped to take the crown. The curtain comes down. Tickets are sold out.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 2:22 PM
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for the rest of the play the orange man lies in bed firing off missives

You forgot one: he has decreed that he, and he alone, decides what are "legal" votes and voting procedures, and which are "illegal" in all the states and territories. Thoughts of "free and fair" elections in Shinyland, going forward, are quaint.

Steve
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 2:25 PM
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It's the American Way Dope. Watch what you want - they can also change the performance so it becomes highly critical of Trump. Take your choice.

LOL. They already do that, hence my Pence example.

As long as there are Republicans and conservatives in this country, we'll have free speech. liberals can say all the stupid things they want.

If R's and C's didn't exist...well. Free speech would have the shelf life of a 3-week old banana. It'll be gone and the left will cheer as it dies.

For all the howlers who don't believe that:

I.
Don't.
Care.

...because all I need do is point to europe.
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 2:59 PM
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You forgot one: he has decreed that he, and he alone, decides what are "legal" votes and voting procedures,

If an I is not dotted, or a T is not crossed on a Dem vote or tabulation, all blue votes cast are illegal, but if a MAGA forgets how to write his signature, or doesn't match the voter ID, that's the hallmark of authenticity.

Plus, he is the greatest President of all time, from Trump Canada, to Trump Iceland, to the Trump Pacific and the Gulf of Trump.

By yiminy, I say Steve's got it!
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 3:42 PM
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As long as there are Republicans and conservatives in this country, we'll have free speech.

Very dubious, highly unlikely. We have free speech because it was being discussed in Paris while Jefferson was there, and Jefferson wrote Madison about it, suggesting the amendment.

Nefster:

"According to Thomas Jefferson, those most likely to suppress free speech and a free press are the
government or public officials who fear investigation of their actions."

Who fears investigation of their actions? Trump at the moment - afraid of the Epstein papers. And because Freedom of Speech exists in tension with other rights that protect reputations against injurious falsehoods, for one, Trump sues, not protect his sordid reputation, but to suppress other's speech.

And you praise that Dope, you exalt it. Goebbels would be proud.

Release the Epstein documents in full with only victims redacted, and release the videotape of Jack Smith's testimony in full.

Free speech.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 7:27 PM
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bighairymike

If the leftist who cancelled is sued, he has a great defense--his stuff is absolutely worthless in the first place.

So, maybe it's worth a dollar in court?


LOL.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 7:35 PM
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As long as there are Republicans and conservatives in this country, we'll have free speech.

That's hilarious given what Trump is trying to do to the media. And what he has already done.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 8:13 PM
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Propagandists push narratives.

And you praise that Dope, you exalt it. Goebbels w

Only one side on this board does that…and it’s not mine.

That’s twice you’ve done this. Strike 3 means the Kraken gets unleashed.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 8:16 PM
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Personally, I find “Hamilton” and the people who produce it amusing.

On the one hand they’re some of the wokest of the woke. Lin Manuel Miranda (or whatever his name is) literally stopped a show because Mike Pence was sitting there and he wanted to be able to launch into a stupid lecture.

These same people would blow a gasket if some white dude dressed up like another race but here we are with a bunch of libs cosplaying as wig-wearing Founding Fathers.

Whatever. Hypocrisy is one the Four Horsemen of Progressivism so it’s not really a surprise.
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And you praise that Dope, you exalt it. Goebbels w

Only one side on this board does that…and it’s not mine.

That’s twice you’ve done this. Strike 3 means the Kraken gets unleashed.


Goebbels it is Dope. Release your Kraken threat. And I have no idea what you mean with "twice", that's ambiguous, maybe you should explain what "this" is.


Me: Who fears investigation of their actions? Trump at the moment - afraid of the Epstein papers. And because Freedom of Speech exists in tension with other rights that protect reputations against injurious falsehoods, for one, Trump sues, not protect his sordid reputation, but to suppress other's speech.

And you praise that Dope, you exalt it. Goebbels would be proud.


Are you trying to tell me that the Dems and liberals on this board are praising Trump for suing to suppress people's speech? Don't think anyone buys that. You have praised and were happy with Trump's suits against others. The only thing you ever showed hesitancy on was tariffs, and you abandoned that hesitancy.

We do praise people like E Jean Carrol, because that really took a lot for her to be willing to go through that against a powerful and popular person like Trump. Central Park 5? About time. NYT, etc.? Have at it. BBC? The overwhelming legal opinion is that it's another meritless case. And you're out here arguing that Trump's attempt to overturn the election was justified using hyperbolic mischaracterization(s) about some clerical procedural errors? Screw you and your Kraken threats. Free Speech.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 9:07 PM
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Screw you

And there’s the emotional instability for all to see. Do they only give you the scissors with the rounded tips?
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Author: commonone 🐝🐝 BRONZE
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 9:27 PM
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Dope1: On the one hand they’re some of the wokest of the woke. Lin Manuel Miranda (or whatever his name is) literally stopped a show because Mike Pence was sitting there and he wanted to be able to launch into a stupid lecture.

As usual, you're full of shit.

At the end of the show, after the curtain came down, cast member Brandon Victor Dixon (not Miranda himself) delivered a brief statement from the stage directed at Pence.

The statement welcomed Pence and expressed hope that the incoming administration would “uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us.”

Here is the speech in its entirety: Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at "Hamilton: An American Musical." We really do. We, sir, are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us - all of us. Thank you truly for seeing this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men, women of different colors, creeds and orientations.

Boo f*cking hoo, snowflake.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/29/25 10:44 PM
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Dope1: On the one hand they’re some of the wokest of the woke. Lin Manuel Miranda (or whatever his name is) literally stopped a show because Mike Pence was sitting there and he wanted to be able to launch into a stupid lecture.


Dope gets his 'facts' from RW media which means he is usually wrong.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/30/25 12:15 AM
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"Very simple. You sign a contract to perform, you perform. But nooo. Gotta make a political statement." - Dumbass Dope

Is there anything more ironic than a Trump supporter saying this?

Unintentional irony is still the best form of humor and Dumbass Dope is sure one funny guy.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/30/25 2:16 AM
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"And CO and the performers are forgetting that this is America and they are required to meet contractual obligations." - BHM

Another Trump nutter displaying the unintentional irony that always gets him laughed at.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/30/25 2:18 AM
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"And CO and the performers are forgetting that this is America and they are required to meet contractual obligations." - BHM

One quick question though before I go back to laughing at you.

Why are you only outraged at CO and the performers meeting their contractual obligations? Why have you never gotten outraged at Trump constantly breaking his contractual obligations?

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Date: 12/30/25 11:07 AM
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Insufferable doesn’t begin to describe this kind [of] narcissism.

That's rich, coming from a Trump apologizer. Open your eyes.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/30/25 12:31 PM
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If the leftist who cancelled is sued, he has a great defense--his stuff is absolutely worthless in the first place.

The play Hamilton has earned over $1 billion in gross revenue just from Broadway alone. And they did it quicker than any other play.

To the best of my knowledge, Lin-Manuel Miranda has not bankrupted small family businesses by not paying them for work they performed, wasn’t convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, and was at no time considered to be the best friend of a convicted pedophile.

Lin-Manuel Miranda also earns significant royalties, estimated at 7% of weekly gross, from his “worthless” play.

It’s a shame that in the semiquincentennial celebration of our country’s creation, we won’t get to see Hamilton played in our nation’s capital thanks to an insecure, infantile, demented, sad excuse for a human being who thinks putting his name on a building makes him important.

I’m sure Lin-Manuel Miranda is crying all the way to the bank.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/30/25 12:40 PM
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It’s a shame that in the semiquincentennial celebration of our country’s creation, we won’t get to see Hamilton played in our nation’s capital thanks to an insecure, infantile, demented, sad excuse for a human being who thinks putting his name on a building makes him important.

It could still be performed at a venue in DC. Actually, it would make a statement to perform it at another D.C. venue; just not one bearing the name of a racist pedophile.

I have heard some folks talking about holding national honors events at the Dorothy Chandler or Hollywood Bowl (in Los Angeles) as long as the orange asshole is associated with the Kennedy Center in any way, shape or form. No reason it needs to be staged in D.C.
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/30/25 12:53 PM
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We saw it in Cincinnati last week. Great play.

"Immigrants, we get the job done!".
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Subject: Re: No 'Hamilton' at the Kennedy Center
Date: 12/31/25 9:20 AM
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Trump routinely appropriates musicians’ work illegally without consent, yet paradoxically expects those same artists to "honor their contracts" and grace the stage at the Kennedy Center.

Ok.

"Smart people don't like me!" ~Trump The Pedo

Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he’s definitely no stranger to cease-and-desists...

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles...
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