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But Trump has 91 felony charges.

Pretty easy to choose the better man, isn't it? Unless you're in the cult.

But Trump has 91 felony charges.

Pretty easy to choose the better man, isn't it? Unless you're in the cult.

The world knows the 91 unproven felony charges are the result of the left’s
relentless witch hunt.

Being the age 81 is not a problem (you probably know that).
Being 81 and suffering with dementia though is a problem.

Therefore Biden is a problem.

The world knows the 91 unproven felony charges are the result of the left’s relentless witch hunt.

Hardly. He's already been found guilty of some charges. Albaby could probably give more detail, but Trump and/or his organization was found guilty in a summary judgment (which apparently only happens when the evidence is so overwhelming there is no point in continuing). In Colorado, the judge said that the evidence was clear and convincing, but then punted it to a higher court to rule on his ineligibility to be on the ballot. Etc.

It's not left or right. His businesses are likely done. Tax (and other) fraud, huge fines. GA (that bastion of blueness!!) has filings that are so damning, he'll almost certainly be convicted (I've read excerpts, and others have posted them here as well). He can't get away from that, since a POTUS can't pardon for state crimes. Meanwhile, all his lawyers and advisers are pleading down their charges, and agreeing to testify against the Don (sort of ironic that is his name since he appears to be the inept head of a crime family).

Compare and contrast to the half-dozen hearings about Bengazi...that was a witch-hunt. Headed by Republicans, they came up empty every time.

Ironically, if Trump were to die of a heart attack, for example, the Reps would be in a much better position next fall. Dems and independents wouldn't be as motivated to come out against him, and Haley or DeSantis would have a real shot. Red voters should stop their support of the criminal Don, and pivot to someone else. It's frightening that he still has so much support given his breathtaking deficiencies, and anti-democratic rhetoric. I don't understand it, but I do see now how people like Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, Putin, etc, manage to get power.

If Biden is replaced on the ticket....

You'll spend a whopping 1 minute mourning it.

LOL

And once you spend 1 minute on crocodile tears for Biden....

You would say or do squat as the Dems find a face saving way to replace the "Woman of Color" with yet another white male on top of ticket.

Club 401K rides again

And once you spend 1 minute on crocodile tears for Biden....

You would say or do squat as the Dems find a face saving way to replace the "Woman of Color" with yet another white male on top of ticket.

They'd get behind a Newsom/Buttigieg ticket so fast you'd see a vapor trail behind their keyboards.

For the record, I have no interest in seeing Trump win the election. However,

Do you actually believe that Trump is sitting in front of Judges that are fair and impartial?

I am sure he will be convicted of several things. However, I find it hard to believe that he is getting impartial judges. There are far too many biasses in the system now to conclude that any convictions are based on the facts of the case.

The NY AG case is silly. Trump is accused of overvaluing his personal assets. First of all, appraisals are estimates. They can vary significantly based on assumptions. Also, it is the responsibility of the LENDER to come up with their own appraisal or evaluations and make decision in their own best interest. Why wouldn't a borrower exaggerate their view of the assumptions. They all do this. Is it their responsibility to provide conservative assumptions? Of course not. The bank or lender has final say on the valuations for the loans. Not the Borrower! The fact that a public AG is involved just demonstrates how biased the process is.

I will add that the convictions related to the Jan 6 "insurrection" are equally ridiculous.

The whole legal system has become a political circus.

Personally, I think we all should fear being paraded in front of a judge representing a party that we don't support.

Gator1984: The NY AG case is silly. Trump is accused of overvaluing his personal assets. First of all, appraisals are estimates.

Well, sure, who among us hasn't overestimated the square footage of our residences by 175%?

Although his Trump Tower triplex is 10,996 square feet -- which he documented previously -- on financial statements that were given to banks, insurers and others to make deals and secure loans, he claimed it was 30,000 square feet.

And that's just one instance of his fraud.


Gator1984: I will add that the convictions related to the Jan 6 "insurrection" are equally ridiculous.

He wasn't charged with insurrection, or is that why you've put the word in quotes?

So you don't think Trump tried to rig the outcome of the election to falsely claim victory? No fake electors? Or that he didn't try to get his vice president to overturn the election? Or that Trump didn't try to convince members of Congress to delay the certification?

What about the corrupt obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiracy to commit that crime?

I notice you didn't mention the documents case. So he didn't take top secret documents that he admitted taking but said it was okay because he was president and they belonged to him?

And you didn't mention Georgia. So, nothing wrong with telling the Georgia republican secretary of state he could be in legal jeopardy if he didn't find him 11,780 votes, just enough votes for him to win the battleground state?

Or that Trump didn't harass an election worker who faced false claims of fraud? And didn't attempt to persuade Georgia lawmakers to ignore the will of voters and appoint a new slate of electoral college electors favorable to Trump?

Yeah, sure... must be all the unfair judges.

If Trump overstated the size and the bank made a loan and did not verify the information with public records, which do exist, then the bank should be up for fraud. Not the borrower. It is the responsibility of the bank to conduct proper due diligence. They are the regulated entity in this equation.

Why isn't the AG charging the bank employees for anything?

Because it is not about the specifics of the transaction. It is about attacking Trump.

Welcome to the new America.

If Trump overstated the size and the bank made a loan and did not verify the information with public records, which do exist, then the bank should be up for fraud. Not the borrower. It is the responsibility of the bank to conduct proper due diligence. They are the regulated entity in this equation.

Why isn't the AG charging the bank employees for anything?

Because it is not about the specifics of the transaction. It is about attacking Trump.

Welcome to the new America. - Gator

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The bank lost no money despite them not doing their due diligence. Everybody got paid. So who exactly is the aggrieved party?

Besides that, the loan documents submitted by Trump included verbiage to the effect that estimates are not to be relied on for underwriting and potential lenders should do their own due diligence.

New York Attorney General Letitia James ran on convicting Trump of something, anything, and she kept her promise. Words that will come back to haunt her I hope.

Nice job filleting that gator. LOL

Gator1984: If Trump overstated the size and the bank made a loan and did not verify the information with public records, which do exist, then the bank should be up for fraud.

The majority of the Trump Organization's financial statements are not public records; his is a private company. Bottom line: Trump and his company committed years of fraud by exaggerating the value of Trump’s assets and net worth on the financial statements he gave to banks, insurers and others to make deals and secure loans.

Allen Weisselberg acknowledged in testimony that information in the financial statements wasn’t always accurate.

And disclaimers on the documents are not "get out of jail free" cards. As Engoron wrote the disclaimer on the financial statements "makes abundantly clear that Mr. Trump was fully responsible for the information contained within" them and that "allowing blanket disclaimers to insulate liars from liability would completely undercut" the "important function" that such statements serve "in the real world."

As judge Engoron wrote in his 35-page ruling: "In defendants' world: rent regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air; a disclaimer by one party casting responsibility on another party exonerates the other party’s lies. That is a fantasy world, not the real world."

Yep, in the real world each of us is legally responsible for providing accurate information to banks, insurers, and other financial institutions... unless our name is Donald John Trump, in which case rules don't apply.

The Trump Organization was convicted of tax fraud last year in an unrelated criminal case for helping executives dodge taxes on extravagant perks such as Manhattan apartments and luxury cars.

Was that a bogus lawsuit as well?



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/judge-rules-...

bighairymike: The bank lost no money despite them not doing their due diligence.

Umm, yeah they did. The losses were between $85 million and $150 million on loans based on the interest rate savings the Trump Organization realized because of its misleading financial statements.

https://qz.com/how-donald-trump-got-his-deutsche-b...

The bank lost no money despite them not doing their due diligence. Everybody got paid. So who exactly is the aggrieved party?

I robbed a bank so I could buy a nice new car, but I paid it back with interest a few months later. So, everyone got paid, and there is no aggrieved party, right? Therefore, robbing the bank was not a crime. I'm afraid that argument won't stand up in court.

BHM The bank lost no money despite them not doing their due diligence. Everybody got paid. So who exactly is the aggrieved party?

Isn't Deutschbank testifying? So Trump made misrepresentations to a bank for a loan, and the bankk is a bad guy for not doing due diligence. Yes, the bank should do due diligence, but they're not the bad guy and that is just a distraction and whataboutism. Both can be very effective so this will make some headway, but not enough to sway those who have their doubts aboutTtrump.

Besides that, the loan documents submitted by Trump included verbiage to the effect that estimates are not to be relied on for underwriting and potential lenders should do their own due diligence.

So let me see, someone thinks you can submit financial statements to a bank for them to rely on for a loan and stick a disclaimer on them that they shouldn't be relied upon,, and that flies.

They'd get behind a Newsom/Buttigieg ticket so fast you'd see a vapor trail behind their keyboards.

Oh great prognosticator of prognosticators... were it not for your advanced age and declining memory, you'd fit right in with Ryan Fournier's group, Radical Alert.

"Fournier now leads the group Radical Alert, which aims to expose "radicals" and their "hate" who have "taken over American college campuses."

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/29/1215793840/ryan-fou...

Do you actually believe that Trump is sitting in front of Judges that are fair and impartial?

They are no less fair or impartial than the incompetent, clearly dishonest judges appointed by Trump and the right wing admins that preceded him.

Why wouldn't a borrower exaggerate their view of the assumptions. They all do this.

I declined a mortgage loan guy who wanted me to falsify my loan app to get a higher loan because it would get him a higher commission. I didn't want any grief from falsified documents down the road, so told him to take a hike.

So, no. No, they all don't. Even if 'they all do this" they would all be lying. You approve of that? I do not.

Those that do cheat on loan apps run the risk of getting busted when the tax considerations amount to blatant falsification.

I could not afford to get caught. The angst, the cost of audits, the litigation... that's a miserable way to live. Trump has always been miserable, so he accepts it as normal.

So let me see, someone thinks you can submit financial statements to a bank for them to rely on for a loan and stick a disclaimer on them that they shouldn't be relied upon,, and that flies. - Lapsody

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On Multi-Billion dollar transactions, big businesses have cadres of lawyers and accountants and underwriters to vet each loan application. Certainly scrutinized to a much higher degree than my Credit Union does when I apply for a car loan.

Real estate valuations are subjective, so who is to say what a given property is worth. That is why the lender should do their own due diligence, eg get an outside appraisal and not rely on Trumps estimate. I'll bet your bank did exactly that when you got your last home loan.

This whole prosecution is a result of an ambition Attorney General seeking office on the promise to get Trump and relying on enough TDS infected voters to get elected on that oromise alone.

bighairymike: Real estate valuations are subjective, so who is to say what a given property is worth.

A few years ago the Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valued the Mar-a-Lago property to be between $18 million and $28 million. In the latest tax rolls, Mar-a-Lago generated a property tax obligation of $599,234, based on its "taxable value" of $33.34 million.

Orange Jesus said Mar-a-Lago was worth about $1.8 billion.

Well, sure, subjective.

A few years ago the Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valued the Mar-a-Lago property to be between $18 million and $28 million. In the latest tax rolls, Mar-a-Lago generated a property tax obligation of $599,234, based on its "taxable value" of $33.34 million.

Orange Jesus said Mar-a-Lago was worth about $1.8 billion.

Well, sure, subjective. - CO

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You should get a job at the bank as you apparently know how to access information unavailable to Trumps lender.

bighairymike: You should get a job at the bank as you apparently know how to access information unavailable to Trumps lender.

Property assessments and taxes are public records, available in many states in an online database.

The funny thing about the Mar-a-Lago valuation is that tax representatives acting on behalf of Trump’s property ownership entities filed petitions this year to the state-authorized Value Adjustment Board challenging the valuations assigned to Mar-a-Lago and the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, claiming his properties were overvalued.

The cult is big stupid.


https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/story/news/2020...

GDo you actually believe that Trump is sitting in front of Judges that are fair and impartial?

What I believe is that the guy who it doesn't even occur to be fair and impartial is complaining the judge isn't fair and impartial.


Why wouldn't a borrower exaggerate their view of the assumptions. They all do this.

No, they do not. Everyone has the normal amount of mistakes, and then there are those that bending things a little is part of life, but there are those with complete disregard. Many people who've come into contact with Trump have had their lives ruined and some suicided. Getting you to take 50 cents or 30 cents on the dollar is a way of life for Trump. He doesn't want to stiff a bank, so he'll stiff you, bankrupt you, launder money, throw you into the long litigation route, etc. Is there a norm he hasn't violated?

I don't do it and I've had the chance. I've lived my life one way and I'm not going to change. Sano walked away from that too.

So is Mar-A-Lago only worth $18 million?

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