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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 2:20 PM
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In the debate about the impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden, I just heard Jerry Nadler state that even if all the accusations about Biden's corrupt actions as Vice President were completely, incontrovertibly, true, that would still not be grounds for impeachment for "high crimes and misdemeanors" committed as President!
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Date: 12/13/2023 2:26 PM
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In the debate about the impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden, I just heard Jerry Nadler state that even if all the accusations about Biden's corrupt actions as Vice President were completely, incontrovertibly, true, that would still not be grounds for impeachment for "high crimes and misdemeanors" committed as President!

Likely very true.
You can't Impeach somebody out of a job they don't hold anymore.
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Author: Boater   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 2:40 PM
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Impeachment is a political exercise not a criminal punishment as Pelosi so clearly demonstrated. In fact, according to her precedent one can be indicted and impeached within a week if the politicians so desire.
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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 3:54 PM
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Impeachment is a political exercise not a criminal punishment as Pelosi so clearly demonstrated. In fact, according to her precedent one can be indicted and impeached within a week if the politicians so desire.

Well, sure, but the "high" crimes still have to have been committed while currently in the office as pres or veep, right?

But as usual, it seems that the Constitution isn't really clear about that:

Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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Author: Boater   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 4:06 PM
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"Well, sure, but the "high" crimes still have to have been committed while currently in the office as pres or veep, right?"

No, But then there is also the issue of the apparently stolen classified documents Joe had from his VP days.
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Subject: Re: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 4:29 PM
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Well, sure, but the "high" crimes still have to have been committed while currently in the office as pres or veep, right?

I don't think the Constitution requires that. If a public official commits an act of public corruption while holding federal office, and then assumes a different federal office, I think the Congress would probably be able to impeach them. I think that's consistent with the provision that allows them to impose a prohibition on the person holding any federal office, not just the specific federal office they were impeached from.
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Subject: Re: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 4:51 PM
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If a public official commits an act of public corruption while holding federal office, and then assumes a different federal office, I think the Congress would probably be able to impeach them.

So, if it is found by the special counsel investigation that Biden committed some crime related to his holding classified documents in his private residences as veep, those could be impeachable offenses now as pres?

[ BTW - when the hell is that investigation going to conclude? ]
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Author: Boater   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 5:07 PM
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High crimes and misdemeanors is defined by the House of Representatives.
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Subject: Re: How true is this?
Date: 12/13/2023 5:14 PM
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So, if it is found by the special counsel investigation that Biden committed some crime related to his holding classified documents in his private residences as veep, those could be impeachable offenses now as pres?

I mean - maybe? The Constitution doesn't say that every crime is an impeachable offense - only "high crimes and misdemeanors." So it would probably depend greatly on whether Congress felt any specific crime meets that standard.
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