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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 1:05 PM
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Fox news has plenty of examples, a few of which have been discussed here. Here is the latest,

ChatGPT was asked "Assassination Attempt Donald Trump?"

Chat GPT answer, "There have been several documented incidents involving threats or attempt on Donald Trump's Life" then citing 2016 Las Vegas Rally, 2018 Mail Bombing Incident, 2020 Ricin Package.

Seems like the Butler incident would be more noteworthy than any of the examples given since Trump was actually shot!

My assertion is that the explanations offered, errors, algorithms, etc would be more believable if the errors were random and went in both directions. But they apparently only go in one direction only - against information favorable to the conservative position.

Now, being open minded as I am, I admit I don't watch CNN, MSNBC, etc. So I may be missing regular reporting by those sources about how a liberal position has been suppressed by big tech. So, can any of you well informed liberals cite an example or two?


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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 2:18 PM
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So, can any of you well informed liberals cite an example or two?

Mike, you didn’t state where you got this information. Did you search ChatGPT? Or did you get it from another source?

I actually went to ChatGPT, logged in, and put in the exact message you cited.

It came up with a 3 paragraph answer focused entirely on the Butler assassination attempt. It cited Wikipedia, the FBI, and NewscastStudio and appeared to be an accurate account.

Just curious where you got your information from.
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Author: ptheland 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 2:30 PM
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He's already pull this cr@p once and got beat down on it.

https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=369221148&wholeThre...

But just like every stupid trumpist idea, you keep braying it until people start believing it.

It's the same formula Dope uses that I've been pounding him on. Words don't have meaning - they only get sorted into "good" and "bad". Good words are used for the cult members, bad words are used about those outside the cult. Truth is irrelevant.

It's all just a show to protect fragile egos, from Trump on down to the lowliest peons in the trenches. It's a way to avoid dealing with reality, where everyone is imperfect and life isn't always fair.

--Peter
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 2:55 PM
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Just curious where you got your information from. - AW

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Fox news of course. Despite this example, there are others that have been discussed on this forum.

My question remains, "Are there any examples of Big Tech suppressing a liberal leaning search result". I don't watch CNN etc so if you guys are seeing reports of Big Tech liberal suppression on liberal media, any please cite at least one.

It seems entirely logical if these were simple errors (ie, not bias) then the errors would occur in each direction in more or less equal numbers.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 3:01 PM
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It's all just a show to protect fragile egos, from Trump on down to the lowliest peons in the trenches. It's a way to avoid dealing with reality, where everyone is imperfect and life isn't always fair.

--Peter


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Still no example of liberal results being suppressed from search results. If these were errors as explained by big tech, then they would go each direction. Show me one was all I asked.
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 3:03 PM
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Big Tech always had this bias - out and proud but of course, Conservatives love helping corporations with tax policy, Right to Work, Free Trade, monopoly protection.


Mind you, Conservatives love "Israel!" despite it hurting them - not helping them - politically.

I know, I know. "My principles! My convictions!" yeah they said that on trade before Trump came along.

Pray Blue States don't open up a can of whoop ass on Red one day.

Conservatives in America - the forgiving victims of domestic violence. Used and abused to perfection.
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 3:06 PM
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Fox news of course.

I’ve got 787,500,000 reasons not to believe anything Fox News says. I assume it’s fake or misleading. I’m not going to waste my time researching anything they say.

When you get a reliable news source, give me a call.
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Author: ptheland 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 3:34 PM
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Still no example of liberal results being suppressed from search results.

Because the answer won't matter. You'll find a way to dismiss it because your fragile self-worth depends on you being right all of the time. You have to win, facts be damned.

I gave you a shot in a previous thread, but you're back to the Trump-bot mantra. I won't make that mistake again.

But I will make a prediction. You will reply with something that puts me down, because that is the only way you know to build yourself up, by putting others down. It's all the Trump-bots know how to do.

--Peter
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 3:43 PM
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Still no example of liberal results being suppressed from search results. If these were errors as explained by big tech, then they would go each direction. Show me one was all I asked.

Show us one from a reliable source first.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 3:51 PM
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Still no example of liberal results being suppressed from search results. If these were errors as explained by big tech, then they would go each direction. Show me one was all I asked.

You're not going to get one. They're basically rolling over and showing us their bellies because they're pretty much refusing to do much of anything.

Can you blame them? They don't know how to approach a reality where a democrat win isn't the default option and as you can see it's screwing with their minds. So now they're down to the Shut up, he explained school of debating where you're allowed to debate if and only if

-You talk about what they want to talk about
-You pull from the same biased sources they read
-You take positions they give you (made up in their minds)
-You more or less agree to argue using the parameters they give you

...in other words, they're telling you they're too weak to think. That's a them problem, not an us thing. It's been true of the hardest of the hardcore proggie librul set from PA since forever...what's new this time is then signaling surrender this early in an election cycle.

Shoot, I've gone easy on Harris so far. She has such a long list of stupid statements, whackadoodle positions and bad policy ideas that it's almost too easy.
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Author: ptheland 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:00 PM
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Show us one from a reliable source first.

Hey! I found some institutional Tech bias.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-ne...

White Dudes for Harris has their X account suspended with no explanation.

--Peter
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:02 PM
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I’ve got 787,500,000 reasons not to believe anything Fox News says. I assume it’s fake or misleading. I’m not going to waste my time researching anything they say.

When you get a reliable news source, give me a call. - AW


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Using that to sidestep the central question huh.

Simple errors would go in both directions but apparently there are no examples of liberal suppression by Big Tech.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:08 PM
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But I will make a prediction. You will reply with something that puts me down, because that is the only way you know to build yourself up, by putting others down. It's all the Trump-bots know how to do.

--Peter


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Still no example. It is OK if there aren't any. I didn't think so either but at least asked admitting I don't follow the sources the well informed liberals on this forum do. It is a fair question.
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:18 PM
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You're not going to get one. They're basically rolling over and showing us their bellies because they're pretty much refusing to do much of anything.

Actually, I logged into ChatGPT, entered what Mike wrote, and got an accurate description of the Butler assassination attempt, not the results “reported” by a news source that settled a $787.5 million claim for lying.

I’d say you’ve lost your credibility, but you can’t lose something you never had in the first place.

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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:24 PM
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Using that to sidestep the central question huh.

No, and you know it.

I actually put the exact words in ChatGPT. I got completely different results than Fox did.

Have you logged into ChatGPT and tried it?

You’re the one that’s trying to move the goalposts.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:39 PM
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Actually, I logged into ChatGPT, entered what Mike wrote, and got an accurate description of the Butler assassination attempt, not the results “reported” by a news source that settled a $787.5 million claim for lying.

I’d say you’ve lost your credibility, but you can’t lose something you never had in the first place.


You understand that software can be updated, right? Maybe not.
I don't take "credibility" commentary from folks here.

Come on, man. At least try when you put these on the 'net. You don't want to become boring, do you?
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Author: Lambo   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:42 PM
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Here, so now you have a couple of examples, BHM.


Twitter admits bias in algorithm for rightwing politicians and news outlets
This article is more than 2 years old

Home feed promotes rightwing tweets over those from the left, internal research finds
Dan Milmo Global technology editor
Fri 22 Oct 2021 08.04 EDT
Last modified on Mon 25 Oct 2021 05.26 EDT

Twitter has admitted it amplifies more tweets from rightwing politicians and news outlets than content from leftwing sources.

The social media platform examined tweets from elected officials in seven countries – the UK, US, Canada, France, Germany, Spain and Japan. It also studied whether political content from news organisations was amplified on Twitter, focusing primarily on US news sources such as Fox News, the New York Times and BuzzFeed.

The study compared Twitter’s “Home” timeline – the default way its 200 million users are served tweets, in which an algorithm tailors what users see – with the traditional chronological timeline where the most recent tweets are ranked first.

The research found that in six out of seven countries, apart from Germany, tweets from rightwing politicians received more amplification from the algorithm than those from the left; right-leaning news organisations were more amplified than those on the left; and generally politicians’ tweets were more amplified by an algorithmic timeline than by the chronological timeline.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22...
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 4:55 PM
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Hey! I found some institutional Tech bias.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-ne...

White Dudes for Harris has their X account suspended with no explanation.

--Peter


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Thanks Peter. Yours is a good example. I read the link and it seems like simple advocating for your candidate is no reason for their account to be suspended. I am curious if Musk ever blames the algorithms or provides some sort of an explanation. I
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 5:22 PM
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Twitter admits bias in algorithm for rightwing politicians and news outlets
This article is more than 2 years old


The eternal victims on the right will never believe it.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 5:50 PM
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Here, so now you have a couple of examples, BHM. - Lambo

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Another reasonable example. Thanks Lambo. I will say that at least twitter called it bias (what it is/was) rather than blaming some innocent error in the algorithm.
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Author: ptheland 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 5:56 PM
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Here's a second take on the White Dudes for Harris X account

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/x-allegedly-s...

Hamill, commenting on the seeming suspension, wrote, “In a little over 3 hours, the @dudes4harris Zoom call triggered $4M in donations for @KamalaHarris. Apparently, someone else was triggered, too. 🤣”

--Peter
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Author: ptheland 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 6:01 PM
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I will say that at least twitter called it bias (what it is/was) rather than blaming some innocent error in the algorithm.

Keep in mind, when I blamed it on an innocent error in the algorithm, that's the generous interpretation. The more likely interpretation is that Fox News is outright lying - they made up the incident.

There are 785,000,000 reasons to think that Fox News lies to it's viewers/readers. While that may not be the case here, there is zero reason to trust anything Fox says any longer. Everything they say needs to be independently verified.

--Peter
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 9:18 PM
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...in other words, they're telling you they're too weak to think. That's a them problem, not an us thing.

LOL... there it is. the "us good, them bad" schtick.

absurdus rectumus.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Big Tech Unidirectional Bias
Date: 07/31/2024 9:20 PM
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Using that to sidestep the central question huh.

sidestepping by accusing of sidestepping.

Classic
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