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Author: tecmo   😊 😞
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Subject: Earnings Preview
Date: 07/23/2023 11:05 PM
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Google is going to report earnings this week - and I thought I would run through a simple valuation exercise.

Revenue Estimate : $72.75B (+4.39%) ($69.69B)
TTM Revenue : $287B (+0.5%) ($286B)

So the comps are pretty steep now, as we are still comparing to the period where Google was growing much faster (as an example TTM Revenue from this period last year was up 11% YoY).

In terms of valuation; historically PS for TTM has ranged from a high of 8 to a low of 4.5; and we are definately in the low range now - which makes sense as revenue growth is has slowed.

So the base case would be for Google to continue its slow revenue growth - probably hitting $300B towards the end of 2024 (calendar). If we put a 5x multiplier on that we get a market cap of $1.5T - basically flat for the next 6 quarters. However the up-side case would be for revenue growth to return to slightly more historical levels in which case we get to $310B in the same period, and slapping a 7x multiplier on that we get a market cap of $2.1T or so - which would be nice 40% increase from today's levels.

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Author: BenSolar   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Earnings Preview
Date: 07/23/2023 11:40 PM
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So the base case would be for Google to continue its slow revenue growth - probably hitting $300B towards the end of 2024 (calendar). If we put a 5x multiplier on that we get a market cap of $1.5T - basically flat for the next 6 quarters.

Hi Tecmo! Your name reminds me of Tecmo Superbowl on Nintendo. :) Fun game

A quick thought on your valuation comments: if growth stays so anemic as this hypothetical, then I think we'll see that multiplier come down below the 4.5x level instead of climbing back to 5. Google has historically been a phenomenal growth story, so if that growth has dried up, the historic premium people have paid for the stock will eventually come down.

When I bought the stock a year ago or so, I sure wasn't anticipating sub 5% growth for any length of time, though any company can have lulls.
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Author: tecmo   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Earnings Preview
Date: 07/24/2023 12:23 PM
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Hi Tecmo! Your name reminds me of Tecmo Superbowl on Nintendo. :) Fun game

Indeed!

A quick thought on your valuation comments: if growth stays so anemic as this hypothetical, then I think we'll see that multiplier come down below the 4.5x level instead of climbing back to 5.

One thing to remember is that GOOG has tremendous margins, and can swing them by reducing "other bets" investments. I think this essentially puts a floor of 4x on the revenue multiple. On the EPS side there is line of sight to $7.00 and even a multiple of 20x would get us to $140 / share.

That said, in the past both MSFT and AAPL have traded at very low valuations - so anything can happen.
tecmo
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Earnings Preview
Date: 07/24/2023 1:22 PM
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Rather than looking at the multiple of sales, I like to look at the trend of a few of the moving parts separately.

For example, the trend of real sales growth per share has been 17.2%/year 2013-2023(est).
That includes a slightly above-trend starting year and a slightly below-trend ending year, so at least the slope is a conservative one for creating a trend.
Let's say we pencil in inflation + 15%/year for the next few years. I'm an optimist to that extent.
But because the future is uncertain, maybe a gradual slowdown after a while, say growth of inflation + 9% at year 10???
(that 9% figure plucked from a place where the sun does not shine--it is the biggest wild card in this exercise)

Pre-tax profit margin (excluding "extraordinary" items) was in the narrow range 25.1% - 26.7% in the stretch 2014-2020 inclusive.
2021 was unusually good, 2022 was (slightly)unusually bad at 24.6%.
I think one could probably pencil in 25% as "normal" for a while yet.

For tax rates, pencil in whatever you like. But the last three years were fairly steady around the average 16.1%.
The 16.2% of 2020 and 2021 is the highest in the stretch 2017 to (estimated) 2023, so there doesn't seem to be a need to pencil in a higher number, so let's say 16.1%.

Putting all those together, you can create a projection of real earnings per share into the future.

Modify assumptions to suit.

Then it's only a matter of what multiple of trend earnings per share the market might assign.
For conservatism, there is no company I am sufficiently optimistic of, AND sufficiently confident of my projections for, that I would assume a multiple over 20 as far out as 5-10 years from now.
So I usually pencil in 19 as a "terminal" multiple around that time frame, for even the most rapidly growing and powerful firms.


Putting those things together, you can create a table of future revenues, pretax profits, net profits, and future prices in today's dollars.
It sounds like a bad idea to pile to many assumptions on top of each other, but actually I think it makes it easier to see which assumptions seem plausible.

Anyway, here is a possible future table, starting from today with the GOOGL price at about $122 and CPI at 305.11.
Note that the rates of return are after inflation.
So, a projection of 10% in the table with inflation at 4% would mean you're expecting a nominal return of 14%.

years     year     real sales   real    pretax   pretax   tax     net      multiple   real    real
forward ending growth sales margin profit rate profit assumed price cagr
0.5 2023 $24.44 25% $6.11 16.1% $5.13 25.0 $128 11.9%
1.5 2024 16% 28.35 25% 7.09 16.1% 5.95 24.4 145 12.8%
2.5 2025 15% 32.61 25% 8.15 16.1% 6.84 23.8 163 12.5%
3.5 2026 15% 37.50 25% 9.37 16.1% 7.86 23.2 182 12.4%
4.5 2027 15% 43.12 25% 10.78 16.1% 9.04 22.6 204 12.3%
5.5 2028 14% 49.16 25% 12.29 16.1% 10.31 22.0 227 12.1%
6.5 2029 13% 55.55 25% 13.89 16.1% 11.65 21.4 249 11.7%
7.5 2030 12% 62.21 25% 15.55 16.1% 13.05 20.8 271 11.3%
8.5 2031 11% 69.06 25% 17.26 16.1% 14.48 20.2 293 10.9%
9.5 2032 10% 75.96 25% 18.99 16.1% 15.93 19.6 312 10.5%
10.5 2033 9% 82.80 25% 20.70 16.1% 17.37 19.0 330 10.0%

Obviously these numbers will be off, some of them by a mile.
But I think it's a good way to lay out your thinking.
That being said, I think the assumptions are (just) robust enough that a pretty good forward return is pretty likely from here.
If these projections were by chance to be in the right ballpark, a price in the high $160s would be "fair", because it would indicate a return of around inflation + 6.5%/year for a holding period in the 5-10 year range.
A price of $200ish today would not offer an attractive outlook.

Offhand I don't think I'll be closing any of my positions before the next time we see fresh all time highs.
Unless the news, as it comes in, causes me to question materially some of those pencilled-in assumptions.

Jim
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Author: Bluehorseshoe   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Earnings Preview
Date: 07/24/2023 2:29 PM
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Your name reminds me of Tecmo Superbowl on Nintendo. :) Fun game

The Ninja Gaiden library was a great one from Tecmo too. Yes, I was a video game nerd of the late 80s/90s.

Jeff
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Earnings Preview
Date: 07/25/2023 7:28 PM
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The quarterly results are out, and the market is happy. A "beat" on every front, apparently.
Trading at fresh recent highs a little over $130 after hours.

Revenue up 7%, or 9% in constant currency versus the quarter a year ago.
Operating margin up a hair.

Though it's not the first number I usually look at, the "net cash provided by operating activities" in the quarter = $28.7 bn (before capex).
I have a hard time imagining such numbers...that new economy is doing pretty well. One quarter, more than the market cap of Allstate or Corning.

Jim


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Author: WEBspired   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Earnings Preview
Date: 07/25/2023 10:01 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/25/alphabet-googl-q2-...

Yes, very pleased overall and gotta love the balance sheet. Thanks for the projection data and assumptions. Long time owner since Fall '05, adding along the way. I added shares and 6/24 DITM LEAPS all the way down 1st half of '22 and those lots are Finally in the black. Seems like all that AI lovin that MSFT has been receiving has motivated GOOG and made them more lean. I even hear Mr. Google, Sergey Brin, is coming in 3-4 days a week.

So many friends and family use gmail, search, YouTube all the time. Many buddies and I are seriously thinking about buying the NFL Sunday Ticket via YouTube for 'only' $489. Lots of folks are cutting the cord around here.
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