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Author: Uwharrie   😊 😞
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Subject: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 11:17 AM
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Jim,
Thankfully, over the years you have pointed out a couple of interesting strategies involving buying stock groupings based on various criteria. I seem to recall one or two strategies involving buying stocks with some sort of Value Line ranking criteria. My thinking it was a basket of 30 stocks that are changed every month (or is it every quarter) according to a particular Value Line ranking criteria you named.

I may have all of this recollection completely wrong. I do recall an issue many respondents made to this investment process was related to the paying of short term income taxes. The reason this is being asked is that while my long-term buy and hold process has done well over the years, I'm now looking to put some side money to work and it would be interesting to have this as an additional portfolio strategy running parallel to our larger buy and hold assets.

Anything you can lay out for us is appreciated.

Uwharrie
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝 BRONZE
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 12:11 PM
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I've suggested a LOT of things over the years, not all of them smart : )

This is probably the one you're thinking of
http://www.datahelper.com/mi/search.phtml?nofool=y...

tl;dr You can stack the deck a bit in your favour while having very low risk by sticking with cash-rich high-ROE firms that pay a dividend, tilted somewhat towards large caps.
I think the reason this works is that you don't really have to pick winners: if you merely pick somewhat fewer big losers than the average fellow, you'll do quite a bit better over time.

Since that post, the precise method outlined in the post (the variant requiring a dividend) has outperformed the S&P 500 nicely.
In the 4.2 years after the post:
S&P 500 total return 18.94%/year
Portfolio as recommended, after trading costs: 24.58%/year
That advantage is actually a little better than what I would normally expect over time, but it's nice to see it didn't immediately fall on its face.

I have real money allocated to this strategy at the moment, with only the tiniest of tweaks added. I benchmark it against RSP, the S&P 500 Equal Weight total return. It has been outperforming modestly since I started the real money portfolio with it early this year, about 3%/year advantage at the moment. I'm tracking it with my total portfolio balance of a separate account dedicated to this, so my personal result includes a bit of a drag from the small cash allocation, and the 30% tax I pay on dividends received.

Jim
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Author: AdrianC   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 12:33 PM
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Here's another thread from a year ago discussing the same strategy:

https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=944914128

Back then I tried it using the free version of VL from my library.
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Author: Philly Tide   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 2:07 PM
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Back then I tried it using the free version of VL from my library.

If you don't mind, how did you reproduce the list with the free version? I have access to it as well.

Were the results similar to the paid?
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Author: rayvt 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 2:47 PM
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It's not the free version.

It is the library version, which they paid for. The use of it is free to him because it is included in his library card.
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Author: AdrianC   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 3:07 PM
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If you don't mind, how did you reproduce the list with the free version? I have access to it as well.

Were the results similar to the paid?


These are the notes from a year ago. Apologies if it makes no sense.

https://research-valueline-com.oh0144.oplin.org/se...
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Screener

Ranks & Ratings Timeliness - All 5 # Stocks 1457
Annual Ratios Dividend Yield 0% or above # Stocks 965
Annual Ratios % Return on Shareholder's Equity Top 30% # Stocks 292

Make these any:
Balance Sheet
Cash & Market Securities # Stocks 269
Long Term Debt - From 0 # Stocks 250
No Long Term Debt # Stocks 19

Display 500
Sort by Name - IMPORTANT!
Copy header and drag down

In Excel:
Paste Special Unicode Text
Sort by names to remove spaces
Fix the units for Long Term Debt
Add column 'Cash - LTD'
Sort by 'Cash - LTD'

IIRC you do this twice, once for 'Long Term Debt - From 0' and once for 'No Long Term Debt'.

This produced a list similar to Jim's but not the same.
The top 32 of the 40 stocks were the same as Jim's with one exception, and it was clearly an error in the data.
The 8 missing stocks didn't make my list of 269 stocks.

Good luck!
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Author: AdrianC   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 3:29 PM
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I just tried it.

Didn't need to "Fix the units for Long Term Debt".

This is the top 40, provided for entertainment purposes only:
Alphabet Inc. GOOG
Microsoft Corporation MSFT
Meta Platforms META
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd TSM
Cisco Systems Inc CSCO
NVIDIA Corp NVDA
Costco Wholesale Corporation COST
Apollo Global Mgmt APO
Accenture Plc New ACN
Ares Management ARES
Equitable Holdings EQH
Tenaris S.A. ADS TS
STMicroelectronics STM
ASML Holding N.V. ASML
Infosys Limited INFY
Ross Stores Inc ROST
Ameriprise Financial Inc AMP
Nike Inc NKE
EOG Resources Inc EOG
Expeditors International of Washington Inc EXPD
Novo Nordisk NVO
Applied Materials Inc AMAT
Mueller Industries Inc MLI
Williams Sonoma WSM
NetApp Inc NTAP
Logitech International SA LOGI
Monolithic Power Sys. MPWR
InterDigital Inc IDCC
SEI Investments Company SEIC
EMCOR Group Inc EME
West Pharmaceutical Services Inc WST
Robert Half Inc. RHI
Cal Maine Foods Inc CALM
Ryanair Hldgs plc ADS RYAAY
ABB Ltd ABBNY
Graco Inc GGG
Boise Cascade BCC
Landstar System LSTR
PBF Energy PBF
Nucor Corporation NUE

Looks like 21 stocks are carried over from a year ago.

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Author: Philly Tide   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 3:40 PM
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OK, I was able to do everything except the cash column. Where does that data come from?

Add column 'Cash - LTD'
Sort by 'Cash - LTD'
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Author: AdrianC   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 4:08 PM
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It's the "Cash & Market Securities".
I just abbreviated to Cash.
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Author: Philly Tide   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 4:09 PM
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Got it, for some reason it wasn't showing, but I got it to refresh somehow and it appeared.

Thanks!!
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Author: AdrianC   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 4:10 PM
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Sorry, so the column you add is 'Cash & Market Securities' minus 'Long Term Debt' and sort on it. Largest to smallest.
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Author: Philly Tide   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Question for Mungofitch
Date: 07/18/2024 4:26 PM
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Got it, I was able to replicate your list. Thanks!
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