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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 8:33 AM
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Marth White, granddaughter of Charlotte's Web author E.B. White, is not happy with the Nazification (my word, not hers) of book title by the Trump admin.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/16/us/operation-charlo...

In the popular children’s book “Charlotte’s Web,” the title character, a spider, uses her web as an instrument of good to help secure the freedom of Wilbur, a pig on her farm.

Federal immigration officials used the book’s title to name their latest crackdown, in Charlotte, North Carolina, Operation Charlotte’s Web.

The author’s granddaughter drew a sharp contrast Sunday between the federal raids and the ideals E.B. White highlighted in the beloved book, in a statement Martha White shared with CNN.

Her grandfather “certainly didn’t believe in masked men, in unmarked cars, raiding people’s homes and workplaces without IDs or summons,” said White, who is also her grandfather’s literary executor, in the statement. “He didn’t condone fearmongering.”
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 9:34 AM
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The national network news covered this incident in Charlotte yesterday, including video of agents breaking the window of his truck:

Willy Aceituno, a 46-year-old Honduran-born US citizen, told The Associated Press (AP) news agency that he was on his way to work on Saturday when he saw “a lot of Latinos running”, chased by “a lot of Border Patrol agents”.

Aceituno said he himself was stopped – twice – by Border Patrol agents. During the second encounter, they forced him from his vehicle after breaking the window and threw him to the ground.

“I told them, ‘I’m an American citizen,'” he told the AP. “They wanted to know where I was born, or they didn’t believe I was an American citizen.”

After being forcibly taken into a Border Patrol vehicle, Aceituno said, he was finally released after showing documents proving his citizenship. He had to walk some distance back to his car and later filed a police report over the broken glass.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/15/us-immig...

Fortunately, Aceituno had his papers with him. Briefly detained twice, broken window on his truck, he's skinned up. No charges filed against him. Just rousted. It will be interesting if his complaint to the local police results in any redress.

film at 11:00

Man films Border Patrol agents smashing his car window in Charlotte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkWcibsWD8g&list=R...

US citizen says CBP smashed window during Charlotte immigration arrests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoYvXwJWJlk

This is what people voted for. Buckle up.

Steve
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Author: Banksy 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 9:46 AM
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This is what people voted for. Buckle up. ~Steve

To reiterate a very important point:
There was only one demographic Trump actually won, uneducated men...

Trump lost college educated women 61% to 37%.
Trump lost non college educated women 53% to 45%.
Trump lost college educated men 49% to 48%.
Trump won non college educated men 61% to 37%. (MAGA)

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be." ~Thomas Jefferson

"Smart people don't like me!" ~Trump

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/pol...

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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 9:50 AM
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Steve, I'm exploring another thought. It seems Ice agents have Federal immunity under the Supremacy Clause which, among other things, protects them from suits from locals as long as they are reasonably acting within the bounds of the law in per3formance of their duties. It's like qualified immunity, but also protects them from state suits. But there are some articles that seem to think Fed courts treat it as more powerful than than qualified immunity in Fed courts and allow ICE to essentially violate people's rights.

So the upshot that I'm trying to see if it's genuine, is that some journos think we aren't seeing rights violations suits on ICE because its interpreted to fall under their Federal immunity protection, whereas state and local police don't have that Federal immunity, so we see the rights violations much more against state and local police, but are rarer for Ice police. Can't seem to verify it though.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 9:58 AM
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To reiterate a very important point:
There was only one demographic Trump actually won, uneducated men...


Thing is, bigoted goobers have the same number of votes as anyone else, one.

As I was saying, on the Fool, a year ago "buckle up"

Steve
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 10:05 AM
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If E.B. White didn't condone fearmongering, why are falsely misrepresenting what his granddaughter actually said (you inserted "Nazification") which is you fearmongering (again)?

Cause F*ckSpool is a hypocrite.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 10:11 AM
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Steve,

Again, you're just reciting MSM stories pushing a particular narrative.

Anytime I have ever been approached by law enforcement, i.e. a traffic stop, I roll my window down.

Never had a law enforcement officer smash my car window.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 10:18 AM
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Anytime I have ever been approached by law enforcement, i.e. a traffic stop, I roll my window down.

What were *you* doing that attracted their attention? Naughty, naughty. :)

I saw a policeman pull over a car with a black man at the wheel. The driver immediately opened the window and held both open hands out the window, so he didn't get shot.

Fear makes people do funny things.

Steve
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 10:20 AM
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Lambo,

The only way not to illegally discriminate is to be indiscriminate.

For DUI checkpoints, that means if the cops don't want to stop every single vehicle at the checkpoint, they have to stop say every third vehicle.

If ICE is doing a raid or operation in an area or at a business, the safest way they have to not be accused of illegal discrimination is to stop all vehicles.

As far as I am aware anyone in a vehicle, when stopped by police (even if it later turns out there was no legal justification for the initial stop), has to cooperate. This is for the police officer's safety.

So we are getting stories of people who claim they were mistreated by ICE. Then when we are provided with further details, there is ALWAYS more to the story. Usually involving lack of cooperation with the ICE agents at the initial stop or active resistance.

If you or I or anyone else regardless of citizenship, race, nationality, are stopped by police while we are driving a vehicle, we have to cooperate. We don't necessarily have to say anything,as there is a right against self-incrimination.

But if you are stopped by police at a routine traffic stop and you refuse to identify yourself, refuse to roll down your window, refuse to provide I.D.,refuse to provide driver's license, insurance, registration, the cop can certainly take further steps including up to detention and arrest.

Not sure why everyone seems to think that federal ICE agents should have LESS authority under federal law than a local cop has under state law.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 10:24 AM
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Steve,

The person you are responding to talking about "uneducated men" is just a ProGlib snob.

Not going to college doesn't mean the same thing as "uneducated." what a ridiculous take.

And actually, let's see someone breakdown in finer grain how the college educated actually voted, by major.

Something tells me if you looked at how STEM degree holders voted vs. liberal arts basket weavers the numbers might look very different.
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 11:20 AM
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Thing is, bigoted goobers have the same number of votes as anyone else, one.

As I was saying, on the Fool, a year ago "buckle up"


We aren't even done with the first year. I'm still wondering what the tipping point will look like, or if it will happen.
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 11:27 AM
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If E.B. White didn't condone fearmongering, why are falsely misrepresenting what his granddaughter actually said (you inserted "Nazification") which is you fearmongering (again)?

Cause F*ckSpool is a hypocrite.


Calm down. Reread again, and interpret favorably to the post writer.
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 11:34 AM
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I saw a policeman pull over a car with a black man at the wheel. The driver immediately opened the window and held both open hands out the window, so he didn't get shot.


I did that one time. Turns out that is the "Compton response", and he was surprised to see it.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 11:38 AM
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No need to re-read a post by someone who deliberately completely fabricated a "Nazification" characterization which was neither that of the granddaughter of E.B. White or that of E.B. White himself, once the fabrication has been pointed out.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 11:39 AM
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To reiterate a very important point:
There was only one demographic Trump actually won, uneducated men...

Trump lost college educated women 61% to 37%.
Trump lost non college educated women 53% to 45%.
Trump lost college educated men 49% to 48%.
Trump won non college educated men 61% to 37%. (MAGA) - Banksy


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Plumbers, electricians, welders, mechanics, and so on are not uneducated, they just know different stuff, stuff more likely to them being able to earn more, support themselves, and raise a family than say an art history grad. When the plumber hires a helper or takes on an apprentice, he is also providing jobs to others, something else the Art History major is not prepared to do.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 12:03 PM
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A lot of college-"educated" ProGlibs who snobbily think they are "better" than people in the trades are amongst the most ignorant, stupid, most mentally-disturbed, people that exist. (Democrats, obv.)

They think that going $200,000 into debt for a worthless liberal arts degree makes them superior to tradesmen (I was going to say tradespeople but let's face it--most are men).

They also think that having a college degree, however worthless it might actually be, makes up for their multiple personality disorders.

I'm still waiting for one of these smug ProGlibs to give us the breakdown of how college-educated voters break down by major, i.e. STEM vs. liberal arts.

Clearly, the liberal arts majors voted overwhelmingly Democrat. How could it be otherwise? So if 80-90% or more of liberal arts majors are voting Democrat, if not more, that implies that STEM majors lean more conservative.

Can one of you ProGlib know it alls try to break this down for us dummies?


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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 12:33 PM
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So if 80-90% or more of liberal arts majors are voting Democrat, if not more, that implies that STEM majors lean more conservative.

But scientists themselves are more liberal, so go figure.
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Author: Banksy 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 2:07 PM
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But scientists themselves are more liberal, so go figure.

Yes and by a wide margin.
Of course todays MAGA party has become hostile to science almost across the board...climate change, evolution, vaccinations and on and on.

"Scientists who donate to federal candidates and parties are far more likely to support Democrats than Republicans, in fact, they do so dramatically,
with less than 10% of donations going to Republicans in recent years.
The same pattern holds true for employees of the academic sector generally, and for scientists employed in the energy sector. This was not always the case:
Before 2000, political contributions were more evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans."

"Most American scientists identify as Democrats (55%), while 32% identify as independents and just 6% say they are Republicans.
When the leanings of independents are considered, fully 81% identify as Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party, compared with 12% who either identify as Republicans or lean toward the GOP. Among the public, there are far fewer self-described Democrats (35%) and far more Republicans (23%).
Overall, 52% of the public identifies as Democratic or leans Democratic, while 35% identifies as Republican or leans Republican."

I don't know a single MAGA who actually understands the world they live in. Do you?

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2020/12/10/american...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01382-3
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 2:47 PM
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So, what percent of all those Democrat-contributing scientists can help Ketanji figure out the difference between a man and a woman?
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 3:07 PM
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So, what percent of all those Democrat-contributing scientists can help Ketanji figure out the difference between a man and a woman?

How many of them would it take to help you figure out that your meme is horseshit?

Lots more, I would guess.
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 3:11 PM
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Mr. W. Zamboni,

Doesn't a "meme" have a picture or image?

I don't think I posted any "memes" today.

Ride on, keep that ice smooth.
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Some Pigs
Date: 11/17/25 3:50 PM
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Doesn't a "meme" have a picture or image?

Not in Dawkins original meaning and a piece of text can be a meme.
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