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Despite not being on the ballot in the New Hampshire primary, not visiting the state to campaign, and not running any campaign ads there, president Biden has won more votes than president Obama did in his reelection campaign in 2012 when Obama was the only democrat on the ballot. And Obama was actually on the ballot.

In 2012, Obama won 49,080 votes. In 2024, president Biden has won 61,152 write-in votes with 13,000 write-in votes yet to be counted (and president Biden will get most of those).

In December, the Dean Phillips campaign said his target was 42% of the vote in the New Hampshire primary, about the same percentage that Eugene McCarthy received in 1968 to force LBJ out of the race. Phillips is currently at 19%.

But no one wants Biden, amirite?

And I'm beginning to wonder what Trump's winning percentage would have been if DeSantis had stayed in the race. He endorsed Trump and clearly most of his supporters would have switched their votes to Trump. With DeSantis still in the race, Trump's 12% margin of victory (really pretty bad when you think about it) might have been single digits.

So what's the final takeaway from New Hampshire? Well, Trump's overall support is declining but the supporters who remain are more fervent than ever.

For Biden, it seems his support is stronger than polls indicate.

But sure, there's still a long, long way to go.

For Biden, it seems his support is stronger than polls indicate.

But sure, there's still a long, long way to go.

The Koch Brothers think Biden is ahead in key areas and likely to will win. What Dope and BHM will see, is that we slowly walk right past Trump to November and beat Trump in a fair and free election. What do they get to do? They get to pretend all over again that it was rigged and stolen, then we convict Trump and he gets prison time. Ahhh, the pwning the libs.

What do they get to do?

Evidently...live in your heads rent free, that's what we get to do :).

I live in NH. But I live in the affluent section in the southeast corner, near the beach. Over here, the wealthy white collar Indies and Dems dutifully marched into the Pub primary and voted for Nikki in the #ABT way. 100% of them (I hesitate to say "us") will vote for Biden in November.

Most of the rest of the state - further than 35 miles west and 40 miles north - went for tRump. But worse, even the two cities - Manchester and Nashua - went for him. Maine - poorer than NH - and VT probably will too in the meaningless primaries.

What I wish the message could get to these deluded people would be "WHAT HAS HE EVER DONE FOR YOU?!"

Why these people have latched on to this lying corrupt sexist racist disgusting phony narcissistic delusional fascist bootlicking charlatan partially-brilliant tariff-worshipping knuckledragging moron pig ... is beyond me.

The only thing I can suss out from briefly listening to intelligent neighbors who should know a whole he11 of a lot better is, it's just about anti-progressivism, anti protected liberal Democrat(ic) treating these people like a low caste - when all they want is some respect, some hope of improving their situation through better education, better paying jobs, better opportunities to not live on the edge of poverty, better health care access, access to cheaper college options - WITHOUT being told they're "deplorables" by the very party that SHOULD be lining up to help them and get their votes!

Instead, they get preyed upon by conspiracy-promoting circus barkers on right wing media playing cruelly on their fears and anger for advertising money.

Because tRump hasn't done ANYTHING for them - but neither have the feckless Democratic Senators and Congressmen who somehow keep getting re-elected by talking up veterans benefits and preserving a few hundred jobs at the local shipyard.

You may not be aware that the DNC is so godawfully pompous and vindictive that they've now declared NH's delegates WON'T EVEN COUNT in the convention, because the state decided to move up their primary, ahead of the DNC's imperious and arrogant declaration that the REAL first primary is now Nevada.

It seems to me the DNC is so clueless they're actually DARING people to vote against them.

So maybe these people are just fed up, and Drump is just their middle finger to our screwed up .1%-feeding trough oligarchy of a "system".

Because We The People don't deserve the Trumps or the Bidens or the Viveks or Hillarys or Pelosis and McConnells that our system has vomited up. We deserve and need a he11 of a lot better.

Some of this post (I only scanned it) I agree with.

As I said a day ore two ago here....

The President, has barely started campaigning.

If the THEY/THEM/LGBTQ Taliban doesn't have too visible or vocal a role in the campaign and he campaigns as HIMSELF and not identity politics Hillary........well then this is a coin flip election.


Biden winning - is best for me personally..

If Trump makes it to Election Day...........him winning - man oh man is such a delicious thought for anyone from the Trump Deranged here....and especially the mooch weak racist Europeans abroad.

"" The President, has barely started campaigning."" good morning, do you expect Biden to run a vigorous campaign ? Come on man. We need a serious third party, end of story.

Rigorous? Yes.

Too many in America and the world want their one world order, and march to WW3 and shredding of the Constitution to happen so yes, it'll be rigorous. Win/Lose? Who knows. All depends on if he tells the Progressives to shut up or not.


Dude - I was a teenager who got 5 pages of petitions signed for Ross Perot in 1992. Subsequently actually spent some time with a guy named Tom Wing (Illinois Perot director) and Russ Verney (Perot's political guy). Back when I cared I too wanted a 3rd.

But.


Americans are waaaaaaay too stupid for a 3rd party. It's just plain reality.

"" Rigorous? Yes."" If you think Joe is capable of running a rigorous campaign good luck.

What I wish the message could get to these deluded people would be "WHAT HAS HE EVER DONE FOR YOU?!"

Why these people have latched on to this lying corrupt sexist racist disgusting phony narcissistic delusional fascist bootlicking charlatan partially-brilliant tariff-worshipping knuckledragging moron pig ... is beyond me.

Do you really not know the source of his appeal? They believe he brought them a good economy and a set of federal policies more in line with their values.

The U.S. economy was doing quite well prior to the pandemic, and most Trump supporters think that's attributable to him. Unemployment and inflation were low, interest rates were low, gas prices were low(ish), mortgage rates were low, GDP growth was solid (though not spectacular). They give him a lot of credit for that. Now, they believe things are worse. Unemployment and inflation rates are still low, but interest and mortgage rates and most prices are significantly higher. They give Biden most of the blame for that.

A lot of them like his positions on tariffs and immigration. And crime, though that's dropping in saliency a little bit. Trump offered the answer to What's the Matter with Kansas? - someone who advocated socially conservative views on culture an abortion, without centering cuts to the most popular entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare. They love that Roe was finally overturned, and give Trump (not McConnell) the credit for that.

And finally, in terms of the persona of the candidate, Donald Trump is Al Czervik. Rodney Dangerfield's character from Caddyshack. That movie is structured as a stereotypical "slobs vs. the snobs" comedy, with a huge subtext of class struggle. We're meant to root for the little guy....and yet Dangerfield's character is on the "little guy" team. Despite the fact that he's clearly the wealthiest character in the movie, is coarse and gross and callous and debauched and rude, and is portrayed as being a near criminal, the audience is expected to (and does) root for him. Because he punctures the prissy and self-important "snobs" that are the real antagonists of the movie - the real "elites," despite being less wealthy.

Trump's supporters believe that Democrats think they're also low-class sexist racist disgusting knuckle-dragging pigs. So they delight in seeing one of their own being elevated to a position to stand up for them by pushing back on that characterization. They're the people that Democrats talk about when they say, "This isn't who we are as America" - and they want to elevate Trump as a counterstatement that, "Yes, this is who America is, and it's good."

They love that Roe was finally overturned, and give Trump (not McConnell) the credit for that.

I've seen opinion pieces by clergy that say precisely this.

Rigorous? Yes."" If you think Joe is capable of running a rigorous campaign good luck
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If he can't, that means he beat Trump like a drum in 2020 without getting out of bed.

Rigorous isn't always about physical energy.

Its about strategy, running on records, spin, media favoritism and money.


Oh - Americans are too stupid for a 3rd party.

Rigorous isn't always about physical energy.

Its about strategy, running on records, spin, media favoritism and money.

Biden's strategy is simple: a revamped version of last time.
Stay in the basement, only go in front of the most favorable crowds, howl about 'our democracy is at stake' while simultaneously threatening Trump with this and that. Tout his meh economy and count on his bureaucrats to over-inflate the job numbers to drive news cycles (they can correct them later, they're already doing this. GDP will be next).

Then pray that China doesn't make him look even more feeble by flexing some muscles.

"" Rigorous isn't always about physical energy."" Serious question. If Maddow gave team Biden 15 questions two weeks in advance, and Joe was given all the answers, do you believe Joe could do a one hour Q and A with her and recite the answers, no Q cards? I'm not poking fun, I'm asking a serious question, thank you.

Serious question. If Maddow gave team Biden 15 questions two weeks in advance, and Joe was given all the answers, do you believe Joe could do a one hour Q and A with her and recite the answers, no Q cards? I'm not poking fun, I'm asking a serious question, thank you.

I think Joe would do at least as well, and probably better, than Trump in that scenario (giving Trump a similarly "home field" interlocutor like a Hannity).

Neither is likely to be especially sharp at it. They're both getting on in years. Both have shown a tendency towards malapropism in their public speaking in the current campaign.

But both of them are still capable of sitting down and doing a long-form televised interview. I believe their last ones were Trump's September Meet the Press interview, while Biden did 60 Minutes in October. Both those interviews were.....fine.

"" Rigorous isn't always about physical energy."" Serious question. If Maddow gave team Biden 15 questions two weeks in advance, and Joe was given all the answers, do you believe Joe could do a one hour Q and A with her and recite the answers, no Q cards? I'm not poking fun, I'm asking a serious question, thank you.

Sure. They'd pump him full of Adderall, give him lots of breaks, and selectively edit the sh1t out of it to make him look better.

Dope1: Biden's strategy is simple: a revamped version of last time.
Stay in the basement...

You know why this is such a silly accusation? President Biden's Public Schedule is published, ya' guessed it, every single day.

For example on Thursday, the 18th, "The President delivers remarks on how his Bidenomics and Investing in America Agenda are repairing and rebuilding our infrastructure, lowering costs, supporting a small business boom, and creating good-paying jobs" in Raleigh, North Carolina. On the way back to the airport "The President makes an unscheduled stop at a Cook Out restaurant in Raleigh, NC" and then "The President makes an unscheduled stop at a local resident's home for a campaign visit".

He's in Wisconsin today to talk about rebuilding the Blatnik Bridge, made possible by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.

Dope:...threatening Trump with this and that.

Name one time that president Biden has threatened Dementia Don. I can name you many times that Trump has threatened others, most recently Nikki Haley.

Dope1: ...tout his meh economy...

My, my, how it gnaws at you guys that Biden has created 14 million jobs after Dementia Don lost 2.7 million jobs. Unemployment rate under 4% for a record, what, two years now? Biden actually brought manufacturing jobs back, about 600,000 jobs. GDP grew at an annual pace of 3.3% in October, November, and December (Trump averaged 2.6%). Government spending, business investment and exports all rose in the fourth quarter. Economists forecast a recession for the the past two years but instead, the economy ended last year 3.1% larger than it was 12 months earlier. And core inflation is down to 2-3%.

Dope1: ...count on his bureaucrats to over-inflate the job numbers...

There's bighairymike's derangement syndrome. They're the same bureaucrats who reported Dementia Don's jobs numbers.

There's bighairymike's derangement syndrome. They're the same bureaucrats who reported Dementia Don's jobs numbers. - co

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Yep, Too bad BDS has already been taken as a reference to George the Younger.

I didn't agree with George the Younger on much, but I never leveled accusations against him, though his pronunciation did provide entertainment (nukular). Cheney was the really bad one. I don't think BDS applies to George.

Trump is a whole different beast.

I don't think BDS applies to George. - 1pg

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All that means you weren't afflicted, but many of the liberals of the day were, eg Chimpident.

All that means you weren't afflicted, but many of the liberals of the day were, eg Chimpident.

And Bush was also the OG online Hitler for the nutroots PA set.

All that means you weren't afflicted, but many of the liberals of the day were, eg Chimpident.

What was that you were saying about liberals having no sense of humor?

>>All that means you weren't afflicted, but many of the liberals of the day were, eg Chimpident.<<

What was that you were saying about liberals having no sense of humor? - sano

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OK, I see your point, I am vanquished.

"Americans are waaaaaaay too stupid for a 3rd party. It's just plain reality."

No. People who advocate for 3rd parties just don't understand basic game theory in winner take all elections.

"Serious question. If Maddow gave team Biden 15 questions two weeks in advance, and Joe was given all the answers, do you believe Joe could do a one hour Q and A with her and recite the answers, no Q cards? I'm not poking fun, I'm asking a serious question, thank you."

I know you use sources of information that take advantage of your ignorance, but Biden has recently sat down for a long interview. It couldn't have been more than a few months ago. He was fine.

That was Darth Cheney

I love Caddyshack, and you characterize the movie quite well. But you stumble extending that to Trump. Czervik started from nothing and built his wealth; truly a self-made man. Contrast Trump being born wealthy, and then being so inept that his fortune would have done better in an index fund. Smails is the bigot, and said he "owed it to them", referring to sentencing people to death. That's Trumpian logic.

Trump is not Czervik. Czervik is crude and boorish, which Trump is also. But he's not a bigot, not an inept business man, nor does he crap all over the little guy. That's Smails. So I submit Smails is closer to Trump, and Smails definitely is the bad guy in the movie.

Umm, you are consistent I’ll give you that. Unfortunately 70 percent of the country, Carville, Axelrod, Van Jones etc might agree you are consistently , factually challenged. Have a grand day. https://gazette.com/news/wex/biden-should-stay-hid...

For the usual suspects, did Biden and Trump debate in 2020? How soon you forgot, https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=did%20biden%20an...

"Will you shut up man????"

Oh God that was a highlight of those debates.

Oh and when Trump came on stage and Biden said "Hey bud"....

"Will you shut up man????"

Oh God that was a highlight of those debates.“” To be fair, 4-5 years ago Joe was in much better shape, to be kind. Anyone who doesn’t see a dramatic drop off can not be reasoned with, end of story.

Oh God that was a highlight of those debates.“” To be fair, 4-5 years ago Joe was in much better shape, to be kind. Anyone who doesn’t see a dramatic drop off can not be reasoned with, end of story.
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Huge drop off for sure.

What's next? He gets a 49 state landslide being one of the oldest candidates with possible Alzheimers? That can't happen ever - ask Mondale.

I"m not predicting he'll win.

I'm saying - he hasn't started a campaign yet and remains to be seen.

Also, we dont know how the Establishment may yet try to control things.

" Huge drop off for sure." WHO would meet with world leaders, Harris ? IF Joe refuses , to do the right thing, maybe Kennedy- Manchin will save us with an adult alternative ?

"" Also, we dont know how the Establishment may yet try to control things."" MAY ? IF Jlo knocks on my door I , MAY, invite her in too !

Trump is not Czervik. Czervik is crude and boorish, which Trump is also. But he's not a bigot, not an inept business man, nor does he crap all over the little guy. That's Smails. So I submit Smails is closer to Trump, and Smails definitely is the bad guy in the movie.

Neither is an exact parallel, of course. But Czervik is an excellent illustration of how an exceedingly wealthy person can appeal to the common man. Czervik is boorish, aggressive, inconsiderate, certainly sexist and mean, not above a little rule-breaking, and above all the wealthiest person in the movie. But he's positioned as one of the "good guys" that the audience is expected to root for. Plus, he's transgressive - he's in the chaos agent slot in the narrative, the one who violates the rules of behavior that the folks in charge want to impose.

That's because while Smails is a bigot, he's also an elitist, priggish snob. He holds enormous power in the movie by virtue of his fitting in just so into the classist, elitist structures that govern the club. So the audience roots for Czervik, because Czervik embodies the liberation fantasy against people like that. He's rich enough, and so completely indifferent to the things that Smails values (and can bestow), that Smails has no power over him.

Trump isn't identical to Czervik, but he fulfills that aspect of the role. He's got lowbrow tastes and values, and doesn't care that the people with highbrow tastes and values disdain him for that. He's rich, but isn't snobby. Because he's hated by the folks that many working class people regard as elites, he is seen as being outside of the 'elite' class - even though he's wealthy. He's positioned in opposition to the folks who are telling the working class that they're "bad" for having the tastes and values they have. He punctures the sanctimony and self-righteousness of the elite class in a way that working class voters enjoy.

That's why he's got the support - and the audience - that he has.

"Serious question. If Maddow gave team Biden 15 questions two weeks in advance, and Joe was given all the answers, do you believe Joe could do a one hour Q and A with her and recite the answers, no Q cards? I'm not poking fun, I'm asking a serious question, thank you."

Biden has shown that he can handle interviews.

But let's change the focus of this question and imagine Trump in this same situation....though it would clearly not be with Rachel Maddow. Do you believe that Trump could manage to stick to the question asked? Not lie? Not make egregious mistakes? Not make grandiose claims? Not throw demeaning slime at his opponents?

I see what you're saying, but I think it a stretch. Czervik is on the side of the little guys, tips really well, and likes Danny. And he doesn't appear to be a crook.

Trump stiffs his contractors, is a crook, and craps on the little guy. The only characteristics they share is boorishness, and a violation of the norms of the elite. I wouldn't think that's enough to vote for him. That would be cutting off their collective noses too spite their faces.

A hell of a price to pay for sticking out to the elites.

Ahh, I see one of the reasons you regularly get preyed upon by sources taking advantage of your ignorance, you are unable to tell the difference between an opinion and a fact.

Your link was to an opinion piece and yet you assert I am factually challenged.

Why do you always let people take advantage of you? Why not stand up for yourself and stop letting them make you look so foolish?

Remember, democracy requires a well-informed electorate. By choosing to be ill informed, you are actively hurting America.

Stop ruining my country with your ignorance.

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