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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/12/2024 10:47 PM
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A fiery president Biden delivered an energetic speech tonight in Detroit, attacking Donald Trump to chants of ‘Lock Him Up.’

In a strange way, maybe this democratic firing squad and media feeding frenzy were exactly what Biden needed to finally get him to call Trump a “convicted criminal” and a “business fraud,” and tell the crowd that Trump raped” the writer E. Jean Carroll.

The president’s defiance, and the crowd’s enthusiastic response, helped give the Biden event at a Detroit high school gym the flavor of a Trump rally at times. When Mr. Biden referred to his political opponent, there were chants of “Lock him up” — which the president did not discourage. When he criticized news media coverage, big cheers followed, with his supporters turning to boo and point fingers at reporters.

Biden showed the crowd that regardless of the hammering he's taken over the past couple of weeks, he doesn't stay down. He brushes himself off and keeps on keeping on.

Yeah he’s older and slower, stutters, and makes verbal gaffes but he's the most legislatively successful president in decades.

And Trump is a felon and a rapist who quotes Hitler, will support a national ban on abortion beginning at conception, said he'll be a dictator, said he'll terminate the Constitution, stole some of the nation's most highly classified documents, wants to take away insurance from millions of Americans, and will strip rights from LGBTQ individuals and families.

So, hey, it's not even the middle of July. There's a long time left in this campaign and anything that can happen, will happen.

Buckle up, buttercups.
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/12/2024 11:20 PM
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Was that last part a variation of a reference to Edward R Rooney, Dean of Students?
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/13/2024 4:25 AM
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Quibble: I don't think convict Trump favors a nationwide ban on abortions from conception. Last I knew, he was saying "leave it to the states".

But otherwise it is good to hear Biden has some fight in him. And he's still not a convict or a rapist, unlike the other guy.
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/13/2024 8:05 AM
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onepoorguy: Quibble: I don't think convict Trump favors a nationwide ban on abortions from conception. Last I knew, he was saying "leave it to the states".

Let's not let ourselves be fooled by the GOP's platform language.

In fact, the GOP platform still endorses “fetal personhood” by way of the 14th Amendment. Fetal personhood is the idea that fetuses have the same constitutional rights as people — a legal defense that, if endorsed by the Supreme Court, would essentially necessitate a national abortion ban, as it would mean that physicians and pregnant people would be committing murder by terminating any pregnancy.

Even if the Supreme Court was to turn aside the theory — doubtful — it is still the GOP's and Trump's position: "We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights."

Effectively, fetal personhood would prevent states that offer abortion services from doing so and I'll respectfully disagree with your quibble.




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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/13/2024 8:54 AM
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Quibble: I don't think convict Trump favors a nationwide ban on abortions from conception. Last I knew, he was saying "leave it to the states".

But otherwise it is good to hear Biden has some fight in him. And he's still not a convict or a rapist, unlike the other guy.


You have to hit him with it anyway as and see if it sticks, and develop other ideas. We have to hit him with everything, see what works and reinforce it. We've only got 3 months left.
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Author: flightdoc 101   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/13/2024 10:56 AM
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It's not just fetal personhood, it's zygote personhood. What's next, gamete personhood?
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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/13/2024 11:29 AM
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What's next, gamete personhood?

Sing along with me:
Every sperm is sacred

https://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk?si=8hDwVD9-mDDWpFVA

—Peter
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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/13/2024 11:57 AM
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Sing along with me: Every sperm is sacred

And if every sperm is a person, then so is every egg, and even more so since sperm outnumber eggs billions to one.

But wait! Those gametes (haploid cells) only have half the DNA that defines a person. By rights, every single somatic cell, each of which has the full complement of DNA that defines a person, should be defined as a person, and have all the same rights. This is the theory of somatic cell personhood.

Since this is obviously absurd, so is the idea of zygote/embryo/fetal personhood. QED.

(PS: Gamete => Zygote => Embryo => Fetus => Infant => Child => Adult)

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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sleepy Joe's Awake Now
Date: 07/13/2024 12:36 PM
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Fetal personhood might backfire. There's a pesky phrase in that Amendment about "forced servitude". If that's not an unwanted pregnancy, I don't what "forced servitude" is. As long as the fetus isn't a person, it doesn't apply. Once it is, I would argue that it does. So then abortion becomes a Constitutional right.

However, the point still stands that convict Trump is not favoring a nationwide ban, even if the Rep platform (which apparently just underwent a major overhaul) does. As albaby says, convict Trump doesn't care what the Rep platform is.
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