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The more I see..body cams..videos, etc..

I am thinking..inside job..if you get my drift.

The more I see..body cams..videos, etc..

I am thinking..inside job..if you get my drift.

Aaaah, conspiracy theorist. Welcome to Occam's Razor.

I am thinking..inside job..if you get my drift.

A conspiracy? Nah.
I think it's more a case of Malevolent Indifference. Meaning, enough higher-ups don't want something bad to happen to Trump (as they'll be blamed) but wouldn't shed any tears if something did.

In other words they'll do exactly what's required of them up to the letter of the law but put not an ounce more into it.

The more I see..body cams..videos, etc..

I am thinking..inside job..if you get my drift.

How MAGA of you. Ignore facts, go with your gut and the conspiracy theory of your choice.

In other words they'll do exactly what's required of them up to the letter of the law but put not an ounce more into it.

This is going to shock some of you, but I'm not going to disagree with Dope on this one. I'm not going to say that it IS the exact answer, but it's definitely a possibility that needs to be investigated. I might be more inclined to call in Benign Neglect, but there is no practical difference between that and Malevolent Indifference. They both involve following the letter of your job description, putting in the hours, but not giving it your best - just your good enough.

I'll go a step further and say that the insider LM is looking for might be wearing orange bronzer and have a bleach blond bad combover. Again, nothing definite of course, just a possibility to look into.

Let's start with history. We already know that the combover guy has had some run ins with Secret Service over his protection. We've got sworn testimony that he wanted to let people into a rally without going through metal detectors. And that he wanted Secret Service to take him to the Capital to join the march there. These are on-the-record bits of testimony, not some hearsay or wild guesses. These things happened.

Of course, in these two examples, Mr. Combover was the sitting President, with the best agents assigned to his protection. They refused to do what he asked.

But let's fast forward three years. He's no longer the sitting President, now a former President. He still gets protection, of course, but not nearly as big a detail. And the best agents are all with the sitting President's detail. Our protectee has been running his detail ragged with a hefty travel schedule, multiple trips in and out of known locations (like courthouses) on a regular basis, which in itself is a security risk - being in a known public place at a known time with those set well in advance. Then he adds the pressure of another campaign for President. He's been chewing up a lot of time from his detail. And he's not the nicest guy to work for, as has been well-documented. (The nicest guy to protect would probably be the old guy in Georgia who goes nowhere anymore and is basically waiting for the inevitable.)

My possibility here - not exactly a conspiracy theory, but something plausible that should be included in an investigation - is that this behavior towards Secret Service protection has continued after the end of his Presidency. Agents will tell him that there is some risk here or there and that he shouldn't continue his event until that risk is eliminated. But he pushes back and the events go on against the better judgement of the agents. And they go on time and again with no problems. Until one day there IS a problem.

The problem I have with this scenario is that it will take someone on the inside to confirm it - and by doing so basically admit to a failure to diligently do their job. And since agents are there to protect their protectee, I find it highly unlikely anyone would admit that these kinds of conversations were happening. That's not protecting, that's tossing them under the bus. The most likely source for background incidents (times this has happened with no adverse consequences), is someone who is not an agent, perhaps a member of the campaign staff, or someone who just happened to be in the room when the discussion was happening, much like the testimony we have about the January 6 incidents.

Again, I don't want this to be a conspiracy theory. It's not known to be true, and I don't want to imply that it is. At best, this is a possibility that should be run down in the investigation. And even if true, it's not likely that it will be uncovered in the current investigation. People will remain quiet and loyal for years or even decades.

But it could make a good movie. Think this post will suffice for a copyright protection claim? ;-)

--Peter

And since agents are there to protect their protectee, I find it highly unlikely anyone would admit that these kinds of conversations were happening. - pete

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I agree with you as far as the hands on agents are concerned. They play the hand they are dealt by their leadership. The many failures that day are failures of leadership. The decision to place "mystery agent" as the agent in charge, an agent known to be inexperienced and a poor performer may not be a conspiracy but still represents a diminished concern for Trumps safety. That present leadership failed to suspend this person is another failure of leadership. That this person failed to design an adequate plan is a failure of leadership. The fact this person, with questionable judgement, is still out there protecting someone means that someone is getting inadequate protection. An outcome present leadership is defending. We were even told that any disciplinary action was taken, it would be confidential and the severity or even that it happened was none of our business.

Apart from all that, there is the failure of leadership that on the one hand claims they lack resources but on the other hand allocates 70% of their sizable staff to the more glamorous activity of investigations rather than the harder job of protection is a failure of leadership. The lack of the making full use of technology to support the mission is a failure of leadership. Arrogantly turning down the offer of a drone from the locals was a decision made by leadership, not the agents on the roofs, working the crowds, or surrounding the president.

But wait, at least leadership has efficiently and bravely identified the root cause, inadequacies of the procedure manual. I sure feel better and I am sure the protectees do too.

PS - It would make a good movie and if you see to it that it is made, i will definitely watch the movie. But only after to comes to cable, I won't pay $16 to watch it in some noisy theater.

I've not been watching in detail but even America's Government - which is usually stupid people - can't be as dumb as letting an assassin VISIBLY get into position while regular average schlepps are pointing him out.

This is after Trump was spied on by Obama years ago.

And now it comes out Tulsi is spied on.


Like I said for years - these people deserve punishment. Within Europe, a certain element is at work and they successfully cancelled a few concerts (of an American superstar- France or Vienna don't have anything like that anymore lol()

Here at home, let them bring on WW3, and the blowback that will eventually come from their interventions. And the blowback targets? Are they rural areas in podunk? Or are they major urban centers?

It's time Club 401K continue to feel more and more of what they have brought on.

Draft their kids into the wars, and gut the SP500.

Today they look like an empire.

What happens to empires?

"The more I see..body cams..videos, etc..

I am thinking..inside job..if you get my drift."
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Do you ever think about how good it might feel to get your mind back under your own control?

In other words they'll do exactly what's required of them up to the letter of the law but put not an ounce more into it.

Well, maybe so. The whole keystone Kop operation failure probably can be traced back to the
Jill (wanna be queen) Biden.

“Secret Service Director Kim Cheatle landed job after push by Jill Biden’s office, sources say”

The FBI were uncertain about what they were suppose to do and uncertain how to do it.

Apparently Elder abuser Dr.Jill browbeated her dementia husband to do her bidding selecting the incompetent Kim Cheatle.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/15/us-news/secret-servi...

The whole keystone Kop operation failure probably can be traced back to the
Jill (wanna be queen) Biden.

That’s just pure BS.

If you genuinely believe this, you’re a fool.

If you don’t believe it, you are a liar trying to lead others astray.

"Apparently Elder abuser Dr.Jill browbeated her dementia husband to do her bidding selecting the incompetent Kim Cheatle."
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What demon inhabits your brain?!

Oh WOW! I ducked and covered in the nick of time being shot with a barrage of spit balls from the
Board’s screeching banshee....LOL!

"Oh WOW! I ducked and covered in the nick of time being shot with a barrage of spit balls from the
Board’s screeching banshee....LOL!"
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Your vocabulary needs some work. "Screeching banshee" is far more accurate when it comes to your descriptions of any politicians who are not the Orange Donald or his team. Acknowledging reality is what you should be calling my responses to your MAGA assertions.

Your vocabulary needs some work. "Screeching banshee" is far more accurate when it comes to your descriptions of any politicians who are not the Orange Donald or his team.

I attack public figures. I do not attack fellow posters.
Most times I ignore personal attacks and think it’s all that poster has,
and I go on my merry way.

Sometimes though I reserve the right to pay back in kind when I am followed around by, lets say,
a screeching banshee....

I do not attack fellow posters.

You can’t even tell the truth about yourself. The perfect little MAGA disciple.

I do not attack fellow posters.

No. You fabricate lies about other posters.

The perfect little MAGA disciple.

Well thank you, I always try to do my best. 😇

Well thank you, I always try to do my best.

That was not a compliment.

That was not a compliment.

Oh shucky darn.. sniff..🥲😞

You treat spreading lies like it is a joke. It's not. People take these lies seriously and end up ruining their own lives and the lives of others. We're approaching 1000 people convicted for the January 6 coup attempt. Most of those convicted are facing serious prison time - 20 years in one of the most recent cases. And this guy wasn't a leader, just an ordinary follower of Trump's lies.

Even for those who get shorter sentences, they're now convicted felons, which is going to stay with them forever. Their families are paying a price as well, children growing up missing a parent, spouses left to handle everything on their own - with some probably seeking a divorce. Parents seeing their children in prison. These are lives wrecked because someone lied to them and they believed it.

And you just laugh.

--Peter

And you just laugh.

--Peter

I feel your pain.
Hopefully all will be okay when President Trump is reelected again and he will pardon all the wrongly accused by the left’s kangaroo court.

I feel your pain.

And again, you have to lie. You don't feel my pain. You laugh at it.

Is this all a joke to you?

--Peter

>>Well thank you, I always try to do my best. <<

That was not a compliment. = pete

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Weak humor gene on display.

LM was "obviously" being sarcastic.

>>That was not a compliment. - pete<<

Oh shucky darn.. sniff..🥲😞 - LM

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Note to Pete, just in case,

LM again is being humorous, she really is not on the verge of crying at the realization it was not a compliment.

And again, you have to lie. You don't feel my pain. You laugh at it.

Is this all a joke to you?

Did you ever listen to the RUsh Limbaugh radio program?

It dawned on me that the internet gave a voice to Rush wannabes.

Dope is the prototypical Limbaugh wannabe.

He won't respond to a direct question; he pivots, distracts, ad homs and projects.

He craves the attention to do that ad nauseum. Strange way to live, but that's what it is.

Heck, it got Rush a Medal of Freedom. All it will ever get Dope is negative attention. That's more than he gets IRL or he wouldn't be posting incessantly.

"he perfect little MAGA disciple.

Well thank you, I always try to do my best. 😇"
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Mortification.....😭.....would be far more appropriate.

LM again is being humorous,

Yep, better than swapping personal insults.

"Yep, better than swapping personal insults."
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Stop embracing destructive conspiracy theories and drop the smug sense of superiority with which you embrace them.....and what you take as personal insults will also stop.

"Strange way to live"

Weird even...

Yep, better than swapping personal insults.

So now you're going to try calling personal insults humor?

You're just like that other guy, what's his name? When your detractors do exactly what you do, you can't admit that is what is happening. You have to rationalize things so that what you are saying is somehow different and inoffensive, while what the other person is saying offensive.

It's so transparent.

--Peter

Did you ever listen to the RUsh Limbaugh radio program?

I was subjected to a bit of him many years ago when a contractor on my house insisted on listening to him while he worked. He was BSC even then (early 2000s).

Dope is the ...

I agree with everything you wrote. Except that I was talking to LM, not dope. Just substitute one for the other and it all still works perfectly, though.

--Peter

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