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StatusKuo:
"The $1.5 billion (yes, billion) defamation lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News has now reached a critical stage, with the parties both filing for summary judgment in advance of trial.Anybody know who/what the judge is?
https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/did-fox-news-act-...
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Albaby would probably know. But I don't think he migrated here.
As I recall, Fox actually said "no one takes Carlson seriously...it's just for show" early on in this process. I don't think that defense was accepted, and there are now staring down a barrel that (hopefully) will destroy them.
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that (hopefully) will destroy them. - 1pg
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Thus returning the airwaves to 99% progressive idealogy the way God intended....
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sano:
Anybody know who/what the judge is?Looks like Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric M. Davis.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/15/1156610403/dominion...bighairymike:
Thus returning the airwaves to 99% progressive idealogy [sic] the way God intended....Are The American Conservative, The American Spectator, Breitbart, The Blaze, CBN, Daily Caller, Daily Mail, the Daily Wire, the Federalist, National Review, the New York Post, Newsmax, the Washington Free Beacon, OAN, The Dispatch, The Epoch Times, The Post Millennial, reason, Axios, BBC, the Christian Science Monitor, Forbes, News nation, Newsweek, Reuters, the WSJ, and the Washington Times going out of business?
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they are now staring down a barrel that (hopefully) will destroy them. It's unconscionable that management would knowingly allow their pundits to promote lies just to prevent the trump cult from moving to stations that also have no scruples
"It reveals that Fox News hosts and executives seemed to understand the various 'stolen election' claims being promoted by Donald Trump and his team were false or baseless, and privately derided them.
But they largely declined to say that on the air, worrying that doing so ' and alienating Trump and viewers ' would be bad for business. It is one of the most revealing looks at what happened behind the scenes at the country's highest-rated cable news channel and most important conservative media outlet."https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/17...
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>>bighairymike: Thus returning the airwaves to 99% progressive idealogy [sic] the way God intended....VV
Are The American Conservative, The American Spectator, Breitbart, The Blaze, CBN, Daily Caller, Daily Mail, the Daily Wire, the Federalist, National Review, the New York Post, Newsmax, the Washington Free Beacon, OAN, The Dispatch, The Epoch Times, The Post Millennial, reason, Axios, BBC, the Christian Science Monitor, Forbes, News nation, Newsweek, Reuters, the WSJ, and the Washington Times going out of business? - commonone
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Are any of The American Conservative, The American Spectator, Breitbart, The Blaze, CBN, Daily Caller, Daily Mail, the Daily Wire, the Federalist, National Review, the New York Post, Newsmax, the Washington Free Beacon, OAN, The Dispatch, The Epoch Times, The Post Millennial, reason, Axios, BBC, the Christian Science Monitor, Forbes, News nation, Newsweek, Reuters, the WSJ, and the Washington Times in the TV business?
The BBC is but they are not US based of course.
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The Dominion filing is a remarkable document. Here's how Sidney Powell explained via email to Bartiromo how her lone source for her Dominion claims gathered her information via time-travel in a semi-conscious state:
No such doubt ever existed, though, because Powell sent Bartiromo an email prior to the interview with the subject line Election Fraud Info which Bartiromo forwarded to Grossberg with information from a woman claiming Dominion's software flips votes from Trump to Biden and tying Dominion to a conspiracy theory involving Nancy Pelosi and Senator Dianne Feinstein. Ex.154. In the same email, Powell's singular source explained that Roger Ailes (who, as previously noted, had died years ago) "huddles" everyday with Rupert Murdoch about airing anti-Trump material, and that Justice Scalia was killed in a "human hunting expedition." Id.at FNN001_00000010. Powell's source also explained that she gets her information from experiencing something like time-travel in a semi-conscious state, "allowing her to see what others don't see, and hear what others don't hear," and she received messages from the wind. Id. at FNN001_00000011. Bartiromo read this email at the time: she responded to Powell saying she had shared this "very imp[ortant]info" with Eric Trump. Ex.259. Powell provided Bartiromo with no other evidence for her claims about Dominion.https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-do...
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I haven't watched TV news (cable or otherwise) for a long time. But as I recall, the big 3 network news's were pretty conservative. Jennings, Brokaw, Koppel, etc. MSNBC seems to have some progressive hosts (from what I am told). Maybe that's what you're referring to.
But Fox is reaping what they have sown. They told lies, and spewed propaganda, and Dominion is calling them on it. No sympathy from me. (And I would say the same thing for any "news" outlet that engaged in that behavior, no matter their alleged political leanings.)
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I haven't watched TV news (cable or otherwise) for a long time. But as I recall, the big 3 network news's were pretty conservative. - 1pg
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Yes it is quite apparent you haven't watched in a long time. Sometimes it's more about what they don't report. Just one example.
"A new study found that mainstream news networks have largely avoided the continuing crisis on the U.S.-Mexico border despite new footage revealing the crisis is not losing steam.
A DHS source recently told Fox News that there were 208,887 encounters in August, only a 2% drop over more than 212,000 encounters in July.
But the crisis was noticeably absent from the airwaves on the Big Three networks. Broadcast evening news coverage in August totaled just 6 minutes, 28 seconds on NBC, CBS and ABC during the month of August, according to a NewsBusters study. "
And it's not just Border Crisis that gets scant coverage on the big three
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bighairymike: But the crisis was noticeably absent from the airwaves on the Big Three networks. Broadcast evening news coverage in August totaled just 6 minutes, 28 seconds on NBC, CBS and ABC during the month of August, according to a NewsBusters study.
Hhmmm. Does that count the endless chatter from republicans on THE BORDER CRISIS!!! whenever they're on the air? Why does the evening news have to spend time on a story that everyone has heard a million times already? When there's new information (like the ruling by the Supreme Court that directed the Biden administration to reinstate President Trump's 'remain in Mexico' policy), it's reported. Plus every republican politician's social media feed is filled with border crisis messaging.
And Newsbusters? From Media Bias Fact Check: Overall, we rate Newsbusters Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the right. We also rate them borderline questionable due to the use of poor sources and numerous failed fact checks. One additional failed fact check will push this source by default onto the Questionable list.
bighairymike: Thus returning the airwaves to 99% progressive ... Are any of...in the TV business?
Airways? Sorry, missed that. Okay, conservatives control 99% of talk radio: the late Rush Limbaugh attracted a cumulative weekly audience of 15.5 million listeners. Other conservative hosts include Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, Ben Shapiro, Sean Hannity, Charlie Kirk, Michael Savage, Larry Elder, Dennis Prager, Jim Quinn, Lars Larson, Joe Pags, Bill O'Reilly, Laura Ingraham, Michael Medved, Oliver North, Dan Bongino, Ken Matthews, and Jerry Doyle.
NPR is center-left. The major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) are pretty much center, center-right. CNN has made a hard shift to the right. MSBNC is about it for major liberal entertainment outlets.
Fox is pure far right propaganda. This Dominion filing looks really, really awful for Fox. Not only did Fox lie, Fox knew it was lying. And Fox lied with malice. They knew it was damaging Dominion, knew its lies were damaging the country.
Pure evil.
Can anyone read this filing and find otherwise?
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But is it a crisis? Both left and right publications/broadcasts use that word to inflame. It's seldom actually a crisis. The Cuban Missile Crisis was a real crisis...being days away from Armageddon. Katrina (where thousands of people were in peril) would qualify. Etc.
Is apprehending tens of thousands of illegal border crossers a crisis? I wouldn't say so. After all, we're supposed to be apprehending them. ("Encounters" means they were caught.) I don't intend to minimize the problem on our southern border, but it's far deeper than just trying to prevent people from crossing, and the solution isn't to "build a wall" (just ask the Chinese...didn't work for them either).
I think "crisis" really became the news term du-jour during the Iran Hostage "Crisis", where we were bombarded every night by Koppel going on about the crisis. Sure it was a bad situation, but a crisis? Don't think so. But now everything the news reports is either a "Gate" or a "crisis", and it's complete crap.
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NYT also has an article regarding how Fox management knew it was BS, but they continued to broadcast it anyway.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/business/media/...The hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, as well as others at the company, repeatedly insulted and mocked Trump advisers, including Sidney Powell and Rudolph W. Giuliani, in text messages with each other in the weeks after the election, according to a legal filing on Thursday by Dominion Voting Systems. Dominion is suing Fox for defamation in a case that poses considerable financial and reputational risk for the country's most-watched cable news network.
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But is it a crisis?....Is apprehending tens of thousands of illegal border crossers a crisis? I wouldn't say so. After all, we're supposed to be apprehending them. ("Encounters" means they were caught.) I don't intend to minimize the problem on our southern border, but it's far deeper than just trying to prevent people from crossing, and the solution isn't to "build a wall" (just ask the Chinese...didn't work for them either).
My view is that it IS a crisis.....but not for us. The crisis characterizes the conditions of life that are so threatening to such vast numbers of people in Central and South America that they are willing to face the dangers of trekking to and entering the U.S., and then hopefully the unknowns and fears of trying to establish safer, more secure and sustaining lives here.
For us, it is a high-impact problem, a combination of the vast numbers of people hoping to enter and create lives here, and our broken system for handling anything but the most minimal demands. I can't even remember now the number of presidential administrations during which there have been loud calls for the need to create fair and workable regulations, adequate temporary facilities run with safety and dignity, provide sufficient legal personnel, etc. And the $$ has to be found to enable this to become reality.
Those many loud voices who are convinced that the solution is throttling the numbers of immigrants so they don't dilute our culture don't seem to remember that all of us here....except for indigenous Americans....are either immigrants or descended from immigrants. New ingredients are enriching. And these naysayers also forget that immigrants to one degree or another also absorb aspects of the culture they find here. It's a 2-way street.
What these naysayers also forget is that a significant part of the culture in the U.S. is offering our country as a safe haven for the persecuted. And you can't do that if you refuse to let them in.
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Yes, I was talking about "not for us". Very ethno-centric of me. There are crises involved, but they're not north of the border. Venezuela is in crisis. Last I knew basic infrastructure was breaking down, rampant inflation, people beginning to starve. That's a crisis, for sure. Not that most news outlets are reporting on it. And the gangs in El Salvador and Honduras that impress youth to "join or die" (much like the British navy of 300 years ago). Yeah. And those affect what we call the "crisis" of migrants trying to cross the border illegally and/or claim asylum.
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In that same vein, we Central CA Coasters ought to get hero medals for surviving the BOMB CYCLONE that passed through in January.
I personally had to use a 5 gallon wet/dry ShopVac to deal with the flooding on our patio!! Congressional Medal of honor time for sano.
Cliff, you ought to be taking me to lunch, taking selfies with me and our dog who, with 6" legs, survived the deluge of THE BBBBBOMB! Heroic stuff!
Some folks in our community couldn't get home one of the nights when the offramp flooded, had to stay in hotels or with friends.
..but... we survived the crisis; BOMB CYCLONE! Amazing, iconic, heroic.
Now we must again face the drought crisis that is, somehow, the libs fault.
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"Thus returning the airwaves to 99% progressive idealogy the way God intended...."
LOL.
Ignoring your hyperbole, your point doesn't work. There are still plenty of other conservative news outlets.
But that is besides the point.
The first point is should Fox be held to the same laws as everyone else in this country? If Fox news libels Dominion, shouldn't Dominion be able to sue and collect damages in a court of law?
Of course I think so. Do you disagree?
Fact of the matter is, Dominion has lost business in the nuttiest parts of MAGA country partly because Fox deliberately allowed things they knew not to be true to be said (unchallenged and uncorrected) about Dominion on the airwaves they controlled.
The greater point though is given all of the information that is coming out about Fox in this lawsuit, why would anyone sane watch them? I don't think they should go out of business (unless they cannot afford to pay the legal penalties that their business model creates), I just think in an ideal world where people are looking for information no sane person would pay attention to Fox and they be some small crazy TV channel with a couple thousand viewers.
I have often said that people who watch Fox are not looking to be educated or informed. They are looking to have their already pre-existing beliefs confirmed through emotion. But now that is not just me saying this, it is literally Fox themselves. There are all sorts of crazy emails coming out from Fox executives talking about how they cannot tell the truth on the air because they will lose viewers. There are Fox on air personalities testifying under oath that they did not believe the very things they were saying on the air. They had to tell their viewers what they wanted to hear or their viewers would go elsewhere. Their business model is not to inform, it is to cause emotional attachment (either through causing outrage at some perceived enemy or through emotion reinforcement).
Given all of this, why would any sane person watch Fox to be informed. They are literally telling you that they will lie to you to keep you as a viewer.
So bigharrymike, given what Fox news execs say in their emails and what on air personalities are testifying, why do you ever watch Fox news?
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"And it's not just Border Crisis that gets scant coverage on the big three"
That is wrong and silly on so many levels.
For one, literally everyone in this country knows there is a problem with people illegally crossing the southern border, no matter what their information sources are. The only question is how big of a problem do they think it is?
For two, whenever something major happens at the southern border it is covered by all the networks. Sure the non-conservative, non-crazy networks don't have a scrolling chryon declaring it a CRISIS!!!!! every 1/2 hour of every day, but that is because those networks don't have a business model that relies on scaring their uninformed viewers, because in reality it isn't really a crisis. We have had a problem with people illegally entering the country for more than 50 years. Over that time the severity of the problem ebbs and flows like the tides, mostly based on economic forces, but it has been happening for 50 years and mostly worse in the past than it is now, yet despite going on for more than 50 years, the country has still survived and even thrived. That can only be described as a crisis by someone who is trying to scare you. Prey on your ignorance.
For three, I am willing to bet that there are quite a few posters (probably even most posters) here who are far more knowledgeable about many of the real issues surrounding immigration that you are despite the fact they get their information from sources that don't have a have a scrolling chryon declaring it a CRISIS!!!!! every 1/2 hour of every day. For example, do you know that one of the biggest problems with people illegally in this country is that the legal process for dealing with them is very slow. It is slow because it is overwhelmed. Not enough resources have been dedicated to the legal processing of potential illegals. Congress never appropriates enough funds to hire enough people to help speed up the legal process. Furthermore, I will give you one guess which political party keeps trying to shortchange the legal process by cutting the budgets? Yep, it is the Republicans.
You see, many Republicans don't really want to solve the problem of people entering the country illegally. They just want to scare you and use it as a political hammer to hit their opposition with because it is politically beneficial to them.
Three things are a good indication that you are not well informed about illegal immigration and instead are reacting to being fed propaganda by poor sources of information that take advantage of the fact that you will listen uncritically:
1. You cite Newsbusters as a source (LOL).
2. You refer to it as a crisis.
3. You honestly think non-nutty news sources don't report on what happens at the border.
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There are all sorts of crazy emails coming out from Fox executives talking about how they cannot tell the truth on the air because they will lose viewers. There are Fox on air personalities testifying under oath that they did not believe the very things they were saying on the air. - Umm
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Fascinating. I would like to read up on this. Can you post a couple of links.
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192 pages of allegations. Thanks, I think.
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More than allegations. There are depositions in there. But here's a very recent story about how Fox perpetrated a lie that they knew was a lie:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/feb/17/fox-...You can find many more if you look. I got this one in less than 10 seconds, and there were pages of hits.
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I'm not sure about the allegations, but the important part is the discovery data.
It includes texts and Emails of Fox news personnel. I prefer to go to primary sources when they are available, and avoid the partisan interpretation of a news outlet. It is pretty easy to take excerpts from a long document like this to tell any story you want. I have often seen news outlets link to primary sources, and that source says something quite different than the news story.
Alan
