Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 2
Uh oh.
Dems are going to end up regretting this Epstein stuff, big time.
There's a chain of emails from 2014 between Kathryn Ruemmler and Epstein in which she makes multiple references to her "boss." The emails show a fair degree of familiarity between the correspondents.
Who is Ruemmler? Well she was Obama's White House Counsel from 2010 - 2014. I believe she officially left the post sometime in 2014 before this email chain, however--no doubt who she is talking about when she is referencing the "boss," President Obama, who served from 2009 - 2017.
Ruemmler would make a great witness before Congress. She could shed light on how much "the boss" knew about Epstein's shenanigans and what she and her "boss" were actually up to.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Sure. Why not? As proposed, Epstein was running a honey pot for Mossad, that worked both sides of the aisle, to maintain Israeli government leverage over the US, regardless who won elections.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 1
LOL you're BSC Steve.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Ruemmler would make a great witness before Congress.
Fine by me. Let it all come out. Like lancing a boil.
No. of Recommendations: 1
LOL you're BSC Steve.
What will you say if I turn out to be right?
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 1
What the tribal Americans don't realize, because they are busy in their low-grade civil war.....
Is that the ENTIRE ruling class was in it with Epstein. No, that doesn't mean every powerful person was diddling teenagers.
But do we really think that promiment people in the ruling class - did NOT know? C'mon -- they knew. Female Speakerrs of the House, they spent decades in Congress ---they didn't know about interns and pages getting diddles? Stop it, really.
There's Repubs, Democrats, Academics, Lawyers, CEOs, bankers, Royalty ---all of them with something to lose if this stuff comes out.
Funny part is, in this bad-culture short attention span world -- non graphic video material would be forgotten in about a week.
Remember, if a normal guy hures a hooker, bangs her, gets caught - its possible his family gets publicly humiliated.
If the Ruling Class does it -- the DC Madame has a "heart attack" in jail and Epstein does 'suicide'.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Steve, to be fair, in order to determine whether or not you are "right" or "wrong" about a particular topic, you need to make a specific factual assertion that is somehow capable of being framed as a testable hypothesis.
I mean it's like the JFK thing. You can believe whatever you want, and you might even be correct, but saying "what if I am correct?" isn't a persuasive way of making your point.
No. of Recommendations: 13
Dems are going to end up regretting this Epstein stuff, big time.
MAGA folks are, obviously, the most gullible people on the planet.
Do you actually think (I could have ended the sentence here, but I’m not) that if Trump had dirt on Obama he would be fighting to not release it?
Seriously? Are you on drugs?
By the way, just for the record, if Obama is a pedophile he deserves to be sent to jail.
See how easy that was.
No. of Recommendations: 1
As it turns out Wikipedia has a very interesting article about Ruemmler, who was Obama's White House Counsel. Apparently she had numerous and frequent contacts with Epstein while she was White House Counsel.
Yeah...LET'S GO!!!!
No. of Recommendations: 2
Yes but Obama was President and his White House Counsel was in direct and frequent contact with Epstein for an extended period of time. This would have been after his 2009 conviction.
Obviously Epstein was probably trying to angle for a pardon from Obama.
What was Obama hoping to get out of having his White House Counsel in constant contact with a known sex offender?
Obama needs to testify under oath about this.
No. of Recommendations: 3
What does Obama need to fear? Epstein wasn't trafficking little boys.
No. of Recommendations: 1
I don't know what Trump would or wouldn't do in a hypothetical situation.
Ruemmler's long standing and intimate relationship with Epstein, while she was serving as White House Counsel for Obama, is not subject to dispute.
What was Obama hoping to gain from this relationship?
No. of Recommendations: 1
Yeah. I get that LOL.
But you know....the media has been harping on this thing with Acosta being the ADA in 2009 who cut the sweetheart deal with Epstein (supposedly).
Now it turns out that Epstein was sweethearts with Obama's White House Counsel.
Why?
What was Obama's political angle on this?
No. of Recommendations: 2
What was Obama's political angle on this?He probably thought he could blackmail someone, that's about his speed.
Meanwhile, the dems could have had all the files out last night...and they blocked it:
https://x.com/RepTimBurchett/status/19887530741740...I tried to release the Epstein files today. Democrats blocked it.The little d's don't want the files out. They want the headlines and their name calling.
If that's what they want, then I'd like the files out there to prove that Barack Obama wasn't being serviced by Epstein. We already know Bill Clinton was.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Yes but Obama was President and his White House Counsel was in direct and frequent contact with Epstein for an extended period of time. This would have been after his 2009 conviction.
Obviously Epstein was probably trying to angle for a pardon from Obama.
OK, but...then you don't ever get to complain about libs not providing enough "evidence" for our accusations. (Not that that will stop you.)
Libs on this board have stated fairly often that all wrongdoers should get tried and punished if guilty, regardless of party affiliation, regardless of name. I have not seen any on the right say anything similar (although I'm a long way from reading every post on this board, so I easily could have missed it, but based on what I have read I would find that very surprising from most--not all--of our right-wingers.) For the right, this seems to be an entirely political issue, ethics and morals are irrelevant.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Steve, to be fair, in order to determine whether or not you are "right" or "wrong" about a particular topic, you need to make a specific factual assertion that is somehow capable of being framed as a testable hypothesis.
It's early. We old phartz watched Watergate play out over two years. Sometime in 74, I went down to the basement, and dug out my back issues of Newsweek. I found a small item, about a break-in at DNC headquarters. I don't remember that article being more than three or four inches long. But we know what that small incident exposed.
here's what the net sifter says about Epstein, and Ehud Barak:
Jeffrey Epstein had extensive personal and business relationships with former Israeli Prime Minister
Ehud Barak.
Ehud Barak, who served as Israel's Prime Minister from 1999 to 2001 and as Defense Minister from 2007 to 2013, maintained a close association with Epstein for years after Epstein's 2008 conviction for soliciting prostitution with a minor. Key details of their relationship have emerged from leaked emails and recent investigative reports:
Business Dealings: After leaving public office in 2013, Barak partnered with Epstein on various business ventures, including a technology start-up that received a $1 million investment from Epstein. The two also collaborated on brokering international security agreements and selling Israeli surveillance technology to other nations, such as Mongolia and Côte d'Ivoire.
Diplomatic Backchannels: Leaked emails show Epstein helped facilitate covert diplomatic efforts, including a backchannel between Israel and Russia during the Syrian civil war, in an attempt to influence regional politics and promote Israeli national security interests.
Denials and Allegations: Barak has consistently denied any knowledge of Epstein's sexual abuse or criminal activities, describing him as an "enigma". However, leaked emails suggest Barak was alerted to allegations against Epstein years before he claimed to be. Additionally, one of Epstein's primary accusers, Virginia Giuffre, alleged in court filings and her posthumous memoir that she was sexually assaulted by a "well-known Prime Minister," widely believed to be Barak, on Epstein's private island, a claim Barak has repeatedly and categorically denied.
Intelligence Connections: A senior Israeli intelligence officer and longtime aide to Barak, Yoni Koren, stayed at Epstein's Manhattan residence for weeks at a time between 2013 and 2015, helping to coordinate high-level meetings with US officials. These revelations have fueled speculation and unproven theories about Epstein's potential ties to Israeli intelligence agencies, such as Mossad
At this point, it's just really interesting that both of the principles in a sex trafficking operation have connections to Mossad.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 2
Say what?
Liberals provided evidence for what?
We're talking about the Epstein email dump.
Obama and his then White House Counsel are directly implicated. In what?
Why was Obama's then White House Counsel consorting with, advising, and lobbying a convicted sex offender?
Clearly she wasn't doing this without her "boss's" knowledge?
In contrast, there's no evidence at all against Trump.
No. of Recommendations: 1
I apologize Steve, I really don't get how your mind works.
We were talking about what was in the Epstein email dump.
Was there stuff about the Mossad in there?
No. of Recommendations: 4
Clearly she wasn't doing this without her "boss's" knowledge?
Clearly that's all hearsay, which means I heard you say it, so it can't possibly be right.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Was there stuff about the Mossad in there?
iirc, the report I saw last night said there were about 30 e-mails between Epstein and Barak, and others from a couple Mossad people. Keep in mind, Mossad knows it's business. They aren't going to ring up Epstein, and say in plain language "how did the videos of Trump boinking that 14 year old turn out? Ehud is very proud of that new surveillance system you are helping him sell".
I really don't care about new proof of Trump being a pervert. I take that as a well established fact, already. My concern is the US being subverted by Israel.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 2
I really don't care about new proof of Trump being a pervert. I take that as a well established fact, already.
I just want more things a defector from Trump can name as reasons for defecting. I wonder how and when that might happen. Not soon enough for me though.
No. of Recommendations: 2
What was Obama hoping to gain from this relationship?
Is there any definitive proof that Obama knew about this? No. It's all hearsay. :)
No. of Recommendations: 3
No. It's all hearsay. :)
Which makes it more than what you people have on Trump.
No. of Recommendations: 3
I just want more things a defector from Trump can name as reasons for defecting.
Remember what Franklin said? "we must all hang together, or we will hang separately"
Mossad could have easily offed Epstein, if they deemed him unreliable. That is the hazard of dealing with amateurs. Then add Virginia Giuffre's "suicide". Maxwell knows to keep her yap shut, probably a benefit of all those years with her father being a Mossad agent. If she started hinting she would spill the beans, her life would be in grave danger. That no-security prison she's in now, would be easier to penetrate than the jail Epstein was in.
What I see shaping up really isn't about Trump. Trump was just another fool that got played.
Ever see "Tora Tora Tora"? There is a scene where E G Marshall, playing the Army Signal Corps officer involved in the interpretation of Japanese intercepts, has a flock of intercepts spread out on his desk. The picture jells in his mind, and he declares the Japanese will attack that coming Sunday morning. Turned out he was a week early, but he wasn't wrong.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 1
No. It's all hearsay. :)
Which makes it more than what you people have on Trump.
marco insists what we have on Trump is hearsay, so marco disagrees with you.
