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“NYC Mayor Eric Adams to stop giving migrants FREE pre-paid cards worth $18,500 a year
to migrants over backlash to multi-million scheme”
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“New York City is ending its controversial scheme that gave migrant families prepaid debit cards worth a total of $18,500 each. City Hall made the announcement Thursday, as Mayor Eric Adams has finally listened to critics of the Big Apple's migrant policies and Adams himself has become friendlier with Donald Trump, who plans massive reforms to the immigration system. William Fowler, a spokesperson for City Hall, says the program will expire at the end of the year after handing out a total of $3.2 million in cash value for 2,600 families to buy necessities.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14058345/...

An interesting thought....President Elect Trump and his new found friend Mayor Adams may be in cohoots together to begin solving the illegal alien crisis in NYC.
Trump can now protect Mayor Adams from Biden and his made up charges over Adams’ illegal alien complaints.

President Elect Donald Trump is already issuing orders to stop the flow of illegal aliens.

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“No less at stake in this fresh northward moving caravan challenge is whether hundreds of thousands more pooled up behind them in southern Mexico — with thousands more a day crossing into Mexico from Guatemala — will observe an unimpeded passage for this vanguard and follow it in a massive human swell that would presumably last until Donald Trump is sworn in January 20.

But Trump isn’t waiting. Just a day before the caravans launched and he won his election, Trump threatened massive, debilitating tariffs on Mexican exports if Sheinbaum lets caravans make it to the border before he gets into office.

“I’m going to inform [Mexico’s president] on day one or sooner that if they don’t stop this onslaught of criminals and drugs coming into our country, I’m going to immediately impose a 25% tariff on everything they send into the United States of America,” Trump declared at his Raleigh, NC, rally on Monday.

“If that doesn’t work,” he added, “I’ll make it 50, and if that doesn’t work, I’ll make it 75. Then I’ll make it 100.”
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https://nypost.com/2024/11/07/opinion/even-before-...

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“Trump’s tariff threat is not an idle one. Mexico’s economy utterly depends on its US exports. In 2023 and 2024, Mexico overtook China as the US’s largest trading partner, with exports from Mexico reaching their highest in the history of both countries to nearly $379 billion in 2024, increasing another 6.5% in the last quarter. Revenue from Mexican exports to the US totaled a record $593 billion last year.”

But Trump isn’t waiting. Just a day before the caravans launched and he won his election, Trump threatened massive,

Funny how all of these ‘caravans’ get ready to head north, just as Donny Convict needs them for his political purposes…..

“If that doesn’t work,” he added, “I’ll make it 50, and if that doesn’t work, I’ll make it 75. Then I’ll make it 100.”

And Mexico will pay for those tariffs, just as they paid for that Great Big Beautiful Wall, right?

Truth and objective reality have a weight that can only be denied for so long

If Trump succeeds in implementing his tariffs, objective reality is going to destroy the carefully constructed Right Wing Propaganda Machine in which so many right wingers have encased their brains.

Data Point #1 (there will be many more)

One of the old justifications for tariffs was that they would bring factories home, but when the $3 billion shoe company Steve Madden announced yesterday it would reduce its imports from China by half to avoid Trump-promised tariffs, it said it will shift production not to the U.S., but to Cambodia, Vietnam, Mexico, and Brazil. 

https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson...

And contrary to the religiously held belief that the cost of tarrifs imposed is paid by the country upon which the tarrifs are imposed, the cost is actually paid by American consumers. So get ready for a steady uptick in inflation, reversing the trend of decreasing inflation that has been in place for the last 2 1/2 years.

Many Americans voted for Trump because the price of everyday items and food has gone up. We should now get ready for steep price increases across the board in imported goods, or products containing parts made overseas.

My suggestion to Democratic lawmakers, as if any of them are listening:

At every step of Trump’s expanding autocracy and policy irrationality, warn Americans of the consequences, then…. Step out of the way and let America get what she voted for.

Most of the government will now be in Trump’s hands, anyway.Allow the will of the majority to hold sway.

Warn the American public about what is coming. Protect the rights of the minority when possible, especially at the state level. But other than that, get out of the way.

Reality, and not Trump, will have its way. And let’s hope there are pieces to pick up when Trump is gone and the American people are picking themselves up from the floor after being mugged by reality.

SOMEONE ...... DOES THIS SOUND LIKE PUNISHMENT? :):):)


My suggestion to Democratic lawmakers, as if any of them are listening:

At every step of Trump’s expanding autocracy and policy irrationality, warn Americans of the consequences, then…. Step out of the way and let America get what she voted for.

Most of the government will now be in Trump’s hands, anyway.Allow the will of the majority to hold sway.

Warn the American public about what is coming. Protect the rights of the minority when possible, especially at the state level. But other than that, get out of the way.

Reality, and not Trump, will have its way. And let’s hope there are pieces to pick up when Trump is gone and the American people are picking themselves up from the floor after being mugged by reality.
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Pedro is learning!

I like it. The best part: Whether it's Trumpism or HarrisIsm....Punishment is here. And gonna get more severe.

Welcome!

Swear to my pet dog, Jedi…. I was thinking of you when I posted that.

But I differ with you on a few major points:

1. Punishment will be inflicted by reality, not by me or you.

2. There’s a major division of responsibility for the disaster, if it comes. Harris was only a Vice President while Trump WAS a president and is about to be president again, and it will be his authoritarian rule that does America in- as not only a political power, but as a military and economic power as well.

The seduction of “Only I Can Fix It” never ends well.

You see that as an incidental issue, preferring to highlight “culture” as the main issue.

I also see culture as an issue, but it’s not the main issue.

The main issue, now metastasized over most of the Western world- is an authoritarianism that emphasizes culture as much as you do- and then imposes their culture on everybody else- not simply “political culture”, We in the modern era saw this in spades for the first time in Europe during the Bosnian Civil War. We shouldn’t have been surprised, because two generations before, we defeated the same sort of cultural purity” model in Nazi Germany.

You’d think we’d take the warning to heart. But apparently the Slobodans of the world, as well as the Putins, Orbans and Trumps (and mullahs, the Bibis and the Grand Emirs of the Islamic State-can always find a following to enforce their regimes of cultural “purity”

It’s an old, old fiction, and a deadly one at that.

But, that’s what we just voted for, so for the foreseeable future, that’s the road we will be traveling.

Trump won with a majority of votes. The speed at which that majority disappears depends upon the speed at which Trump’s fever dreams descend upon the heads of those who voted for him.


We’re already hearing “I didn’t know that we’d end up paying for Trump’s tarrifs!”

May their numbers increase.

The main issue, now metastasized over most of the Western world- is an authoritarianism that emphasizes culture as much as you do- and then imposes their culture on everybody else- not simply “political culture”, We in the modern era saw this in spades for the first time in Europe during the Bosnian Civil War. We shouldn’t have been surprised, because two generations before, we defeated the same sort of cultural purity” model in Nazi Germany.
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Yeah, it did spread all around the West - didn't it.

I'd have never ever ever guessed it would.

"If Trump succeeds in implementing his tariffs,"

just curious, you know that cheap garbage that Trump has been hawking ? The shoes, the bible,
the coins,......., I'm guessing that at least some of it is made in China.
Will Trump tariffs be placed on the cheap Chyna manufactured stuff that Trump Inc imports ?

I think the Trump daughter ( Ivanka, Ivana, I forget her name ) has some trade agreements
with ChYna, will the Trump Tariffs be applied to Trump Family members who peddle all
kinds of cheap junk imported from ChYna ???

I'd have never ever ever guessed it would.

You’ve seen the problem clearly as well, but your solution to the problem seems to be ‘more cultural purity’.

That solution never seems to work out well.

An interesting fact I just stumbled across today- they’ve done some genetic trsting on bone and teeth fragments found entombed by the lava in Pompeii. Remember- Pompeii was sort of “The Hamptons” for rich Romans.

The eruption occured in 79 C.E. Roman power was still acending. The most expansive borders of the Empire would not be reached for almost a hundred years, about 165 C.E. If memory serves. And of course, the final collapse of empire didn’t happen for another few centuries.

So the eruption of Vesuvius in 79 occurred at the apogee of Imperial power. And here’s the interesting thing about that genetic testing I mentioned.

Genetic markers from all over the Mediterranean world were found at Pompeii. From North Africa, Spain, Greece, Asia Minor, Germanic- from everwhere the Empire had reached.

At the time of Jesus (seven decades prior) Rome was already a clash and blending of ancient cultures and religions, philosophies and ideas. But far from being a hindrance, such diversity proved to be rocket fuel for the flourishing of the arts and sciences, and for Rome’s expansion as well.

It wasn’t the barbarians that did in Rome, it was Romans themselves….too much wealth to the oligarchy, too many taxes on the small land owners who simply defected, one by one up and down the Italian peninsula. Many of these actually sided with the “barbarians” because Rome was already “dead to them”. By the time the first “barbarians” (many of whom were already pledged vassals of Rome), Rome itself was a dead man walking.

It wasn’t the cultural diversity that killed Rome. It was the economics of Empire.


Great cautionary tale. But unfortunately folks often have diametrically opposed notions as to why it is a cautionary tale,

And Mexico will pay for those tariffs, just as they paid for that Great Big Beautiful Wall, right?

The bottom line is,
‘Mexico’s economy utterly depends on its US exports’.

‘Mexico’s economy utterly depends on its US exports’.

I haven't checked it, but I'll assume that true for now.

So the next question after your bottom line is: Will USians, pay more for those imports from Mexico after a tariff makes them more expensive? My guess is that they will. We are addicted to cheap crap whether it comes from China, Mexico, or wherever.

Maybe we'll buy a bit less. (I'm still a believer in Microeconomics, so adding a tariff should reduce the volume of goods sold by a bit.) That would cut into Mexico's exports and also make the goods more expensive in the US. But Americans would still be paying some part (probably a not insignificant part) of the tariff, because we'd keep buying the stuff even if it costs more.

So Mexico is worse off because they sell a bit less. And the US is worse off because we pay more for fewer goods. It's the perfect lose-lose scenario.

--Peter

>And Mexico will pay for those tariffs, just as they paid for that Great Big Beautiful Wall, right?<<

The bottom line is,
‘Mexico’s economy utterly depends on its US exports’. = LM

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Also lost on the liberal doomsayers is the tariff ideally will not be necessary at all or beyond the first tranche. The idea is that Mexico WILL change behavior making further escalation unnecessary. The important thing that Mexico will understand is that Trump has no problem doing it so they will avoid taking the hit. Another element could be USA providing a few billion in aid AFTER Mexico closes their southern border. That is a lot of money but for the USA far cheaper than providing millions of illegals with food, shelter, education, and medical care.

At every step of Trump’s expanding autocracy and policy irrationality, warn Americans of the consequences, then…. Step out of the way and let America get what she voted for.
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Paging families, living in generational poverty in America's inner cities and bad public schools: The above quote is for you, regarding voting in favor of Liberals.

Paging people in NYC, Sweden, Paris: The above quote is for you, when you support leaders and vote for entities that are *not* of the Viktor Orban or Le Pen persuasion. Ditto the 'romance' victims in Sweden.

Too bad Liberals embraced George W Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act or such "explosive" advice would be also relevant vis a vis consequences.

Paging Club 401K who created the inner city generational problems, poverty, and resentment. Who peddle bad culture. Darn right, step out of the way when Detroit finds Bloomfield Hills and when Baltimore visits Bethesda.

*giggle* punishment. I fully agree, everyone deserves what they voted for.

I'm glad to see, I'm not the only one now.

Baaaaaaaaaaa

Reality, and not Trump, will have its way. And let’s hope there are pieces to pick up when Trump is gone and the American people are picking themselves up from the floor after being mugged by reality.

After President Elect Donald Trump’s four year term is up he will in essence still be there when JD Vance is elected not once but twice as President of the United States.

We will have four years of President Trump followed with eight years of JD Vance Making America Great Again.

That is the reality of America’s future.

Reality, and not Trump, will have its way. And let’s hope there are pieces to pick up when Trump is gone and the American people are picking themselves up from the floor after being mugged by reality

It's already been rationalized by the cult:

"If the Dems hadn't let it go so far this wouldn't be necessary, wouldn't have happened, but it had to happen."

Will USians, pay more for those imports from Mexico after a tariff makes them more expensive? My guess is that they will. We are addicted to cheap crap whether it comes from China, Mexico, or wherever.

Maybe we'll buy a bit less. (I'm still a believer in Microeconomics, so adding a tariff should reduce the volume of goods sold by a bit.) That would cut into Mexico's exports and also make the goods more expensive in the US. But Americans would still be paying some part (probably a not insignificant part) of the tariff, because we'd keep buying the stuff even if it costs more.

The US imports a tremendous amount of fresh and prepared food from 'down south.'

I now live in the heart of California avocado country.

Costco and the major supermarkets sell imported Mexican avocados, an industry heavily impacted by Mexican cartels. About $1.75 to 3.00 apiece.

A few years ago I began buying avos direct from an avo farm a mile away with 500 acres of trees for about $1.00. Every time the majors raised their prices on Mexicados, the local growers raised in step with majors. Now the 500 acre farm charges $1.75/avo with no intention of rolling back the cost.

I'd expect local farms will raise their direct sales price to stay just under whatever the majors charge if tariffs are imposed whether it's 25/50/75%. Why would they not?

Same for everything other imported product. Local producers will match the increase caused by tariffs.

Another element could be USA providing a few billion in aid AFTER Mexico closes their southern border.

Aid...like the $600 dollar checks Trump signed for COvid?


That is a lot of money but for the USA far cheaper than providing millions of illegals with food, shelter, education, and medical care.

Can you show me some maths to illustrate that .. or is it a WAG?

Another element could be USA providing a few billion in aid AFTER Mexico closes their southern border.

How closed do you want it?

Southwest border encounters by the U.S. Border Patrol were (per month):
20k January 2017
130k May 2019
40k November 2019
250k December 2023
60k August 2024

Really, anything more than 50k is a failure. That's over half a million encounters a year. Just as a reference point, 8 million people left Venezuela in the last 10 years.

>>Another element could be USA providing a few billion in aid AFTER Mexico closes their southern border.<<<

How closed do you want it?

Southwest border encounters by the U.S. Border Patrol were (per month):
20k January 2017
130k May 2019
40k November 2019
250k December 2023
60k August 2024

Really, anything more than 50k is a failure. That's over half a million encounters a year. Just as a reference point, 8 million people left Venezuela in the last 10 years. - lizdgal>/I>

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You are missing the pint that the incentive/reward is for Mexico to close its southern border. Immigrants stopped before entering Mexico are immigrants we will never see.

That said, it is NOT a question of how many encounters are experienced on our southern border, but rather which side of the border do they end up on after the encounter. Right now, 95+% of them are welcomed onto the US side. Under Trump, only those who obtained a visa before showing up should be let in. And the insane policy of flying un-vetted immigrants over the border and not counting them as encounters at all has to come to an end.

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That is the reality of America’s future.

The everlasting rule of Republicans has been predicted many times.

But never have I witnessed the Republican prediction of their 1000 year Reich begin to fray so immediately.

Already, we’re seeing buyers’ remorse (Gosh! I didn’t realize that American consumers would pay for Trump’s tariffs!)

Just five days after election day. He hasn’t even been sworn in and already the coming layoffs and price hikes are being announced-and the CEOs are pinning them directly on Trump’s coming tariffs.

Just five days after election day. He hasn’t even been sworn in and already the coming layoffs and price hikes are being announced-and the CEOs are pinning them directly on Trump’s coming tariffs.

sez who?

Reactionaries.

This time, it's the other side of the Sheeplery whining about forever-rule.

Hint: You Sheeple are tribals now. And culture means your electorate will NOT EVER be content.

Point, they'll take it out at the ballot box and power shifts will be frequent other than SCOTUS, which Smug Out of Touch Bubble Sheeple gave away.

Nobody is going to rule forever.

Not Karl Rove's Republican Supermajority. Not Obama's coalition of hyphenated-American-Sheeple-Slaves.

What is certain?

Punishment. Even Sheeple can see it. ]

Also, tribalism.

*And* power sharing. 2 parties is not enough for a tribal society and in coming cycles you'll see this become more official. It'll be yet another thing The Leader was ahead of the game on.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/08/economy/steve-m...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/10/30...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/trumps-tariffs...

That’s who…

That’s who…

Yep, these are the ones who moved their companys to China for the cheap labor and are getting rich, richer and more richer instead of ‘made in America’ goods paying American workers a decent wage.

Yep, these are the ones who moved their companys to China for the cheap labor and are getting rich, richer and more richer instead of ‘made in America’ goods paying American workers a decent wage.
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Club 401K likes their stock market profits.

And they want "$15 an hour!" for non Club 401K'ers and non coastal.

They want all of us in one giant national housing project and all that comes with it.

We've seen how that works out.

I for one don't want to go that way.

They want all of us in one giant national housing project and all that comes with it.

Hell yes this is the plan. Go talk to a lot of the "urban planner" types that infest the coastal cities. They really, really hate home ownership in the traditional "2 cars in every garage" sense: they'd rather pack you in with 500 of your neighbors in one building, then have you take the crowded, meth-filled bus everywhere.

Yep, these are the ones who moved their companys[sic] to China for the cheap labor and are getting rich, richer and more richer instead of ‘made in America’ goods paying American workers a decent wage.

Everybody else did so they had to compete, and still do. Did you notice they're just shifting countries, and not returning to the US? Americans want the cheaper price. I just finished ordering shoes from SAS, San Antonio Shoes. American made. Comfortable. Take a look.

Yep, these are the ones who moved their companys to China for the cheap labor and are getting rich, richer and more richer instead of ‘made in America’ goods paying American workers a decent wage.

All true. But it doesn’t help to yell at them.

Get ready fir rising prices and layoffs

Get ready fir rising prices and layoffs

Why?
Biden left Trump's tariffs in place and firms are already moving to Vietnam and the Philippines to get away from China. That was work that started in Trump's first term and will continue in his second.

Hell yes this is the plan. Go talk to a lot of the "urban planner" types that infest the coastal cities. They really, really hate home ownership in the traditional "2 cars in every garage" sense: they'd rather pack you in with 500 of your neighbors in one building, then have you take the crowded, meth-filled bus everywhere.

I live in our house on 2 acres in the country and love it. But my tastes and yours are not everyone’s. Many people live in cities and choose apartment living. You know- markets and all that.

Why do you hate capitalism?

Why?

Because companies are announcing that this is what they are doing.

I live in our house on 2 acres in the country and love it. But my tastes and yours are not everyone’s. Many people live in cities and choose apartment living. You know- markets and all that.

Why do you hate capitalism?

NOBODY chooses to live the way the "urban planners" want. That's why every time they get developers to build homes without ANY parking spots - insisting that the new residents will just take public transit - people insist on buying cars.

What the left does is to try and subvert capitalism by putting its thumb on the scale to force people into things they don't want.

Because companies are announcing that this is what they are doing.

LOL. Trump isn't President yet. Every layoff for a while is charged to Team Biden.

LOL. Trump isn't President yet. Every layoff for a while is charged to Team Biden.

Not when the CEOs themselves are citing Tump’s promised tariffs as the reason.

What the left does is to try and subvert capitalism by putting its thumb on the scale to force people into things they don't want.

Sounds like shades of Pruitt Igoe, which as an old St. Louis boy yourself, you may know what I’m talking about…. the first big public housing project in the nation- followed soon after by Cabrini-Green in Chicago. Both of them monstrous utter failures. They became warnings and lessons on how “not to do it” to urban planners. Apparently urban planners in the NW didn’t get the message?

Urban planning without input from potential residents and stakeholders usually ends up like that. That’s not a right/left thing. Thats a stupidity thing, although most of the urban planners out there in your neck of the woulds are probably liberals.

Not when the CEOs themselves are citing Tump’s promised tariffs as the reason.

They're laying off people now when nothing has been announced, much yet implemented? Sure.

They're laying off people now when nothing has been announced, much yet implemented? Sure.
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Remember, to Club 401K, their CEO's are 100% right on, and 100% honest all the time.

The Left has come a long way :)

IN the meantime - why is it that higher prices are ok when we shout "$15 an hour!" - but higher prices are *not* ok in the name of preserving middle class jobs, black jobs, hispanic jobs, single mom jobs OR keeping illegals out of our country?

Answer: 1 is doled out by Club 401K Liberals and gives the middle class a permanent mediocrity of "$15 an hour!" ---and it lets Liberals keep the multicultural polyglot while also getting their organic veggies picked for cheap.

Greedy Sheeple Pigs and country destroyers.

I wonder if it was Kruschev who grew Liberals in a test tube and sent them to us. Wasn't it him who predicted we'd defeat ourselves from within?

They really, really hate home ownership in the traditional "2 cars in every garage"

I'm sorry, but the 50s is the model, and we had one car and one income. Later, two incomes came in so you could afford the house, and "starter" houses fell out of vogue. Just jump straight into the larger house. Now if you look at Singapore, the gov helps couples get into flats, and they are nice flats, but you need the incomes and it's designed so kids have a place to play, but the rest of what you need may be some distance - once it's built. So you have to marry and plan - learn to get along while living with your relatives. Now there are plenty of well adjusted blue collar work types that could do this - it would be tough while you're learning a trade, but your income comes up and life becomes stressful in new and different ways.

NOBODY chooses to live the way the "urban planners" want.

I think urban planners also designed the suburbs that all of the white folk fled to from the city. But the key to that one working was that black folks weren't allowed to own one. That made it more attractive to the white folks.

Hell yes this is the plan. Go talk to a lot of the "urban planner" types that infest the coastal cities. They really, really hate home ownership in the traditional "2 cars in every garage" sense: they'd rather pack you in with 500 of your neighbors in one building, then have you take the crowded, meth-filled bus everywhere.

Glad to see you are amongst those not in favor of continued population growth.

"I'm sorry, but the 50s is the model, and we had one car and one income. Later, two incomes came in so you could afford the house, and "starter" houses fell out of vogue. Just jump straight into the larger house"

CULTURE? THE BEAVER CLEAVER 50'S? The hell you say.

"Now if you look at Singapore, the gov helps couples get into flats, and they are nice flats, but you need the incomes and it's designed so kids"

How much money did Singapore send to Ukraine? How much did they send to Israel? Also how much does Singapore spend on prisons, welfare, and other issues related to illegal immigration?

Also, Singapore culture: Would shoplifting rings last long there?

In Singapore, how many babies are born out of wedlock versus in America?

Culture - it can allow you to redirect resources to productive things - OR suck resources from productive things.

They're laying off people now when nothing has been announced, much yet implemented? Sure.

And buying months/years worth of inventory ahead of expected tarrifs.

One even gathered employees, announced layoffs, larger inventory purchases, and cited those these steps as taken to deal with expected tariffs, and then announced to employees that because of these unexpected expenses, there would be no Christmas bonuses.

Happy Holidays!

Remember, to Club 401K, their CEO's are 100% right on, and 100% honest all the time

Remember that you’re full of shit.

I just finished ordering shoes from SAS, San Antonio Shoes. American made. Comfortable. Take a look.

Okay, looking.

"Made In USA of Global Materials"

I'd imagine they source the major components from Asia and assemble the components in Texas.

I remember threads at TMF on the pros and cons of offshored production and the impact of massive retailers killing mom n' pop businesses as a necessary evolution so the hard-workin' American could get a better price on a 5 gallon jar of pickles.

No worries, mate. Trump will fix it.

DopeBiden left Trump's tariffs in place and firms are already moving to Vietnam and the Philippines to get away from China.

How is that putting America first, bringing jobs home to make America great again?

they'd rather pack you in with 500 of your neighbors in one building, then have you take the crowded, meth-filled bus everywhere.

Somebody seems to have forgotten this is how the Trump empire began <ignore the discrimination lawsuits he and his daddy battled renting out those high capctiy buildings> , and that building vertical is the PrezElects specialty.

, looking.

"Made In USA of Global Materials"

I'd imagine they source the major components from Asia and assemble the components in Texas.

Please don't trivialize "American Made". I buy them because they're comfortable. I'm just pointing out to LM that you can buy American Made, but people want the cheaper prices. LM will most likely go for the cheaper prices. I pay a little more, but they're comfortable. I don't buy them because they're American made. I buy them for the comfort and non-slip tread. Those old leather sole shoes are too slippery.

Please don't trivialize "American Made".

Trivializing 'American Made' was not my intent.

I've looked into companies that tout 'made in usa' only to discover that they import most of their stuff.

So, I'm suspicious when a conspicuous claim like 'made in usa of global materials,' is made by a company without clarification of the phrase.

I'm also happy to support American made shoes. I've spent most of my adult life in Rainbow's...bought straight from the factory since it's in the heart of San Clemente surfing 'jungle.'

https://www.rainbowsandals.com/rainbow-story/histo...

I'm just pointing out to LM that you can buy American Made, but people want the cheaper prices. LM will most likely go for the cheaper prices. I pay a little more, but they're comfortable.

lol, did your statement make you feel more superior?

As for the shoes you are bragging about are merely assembled in America.
Apparently all materials used are imported.

“Our shoes . . .

are proudly made in the USA from global materials. While our styles have changed with the times, our commitment to a higher standard of shoe making has not. Our shoes and lasts are handcrafted in the spirit of our early days, compromising on nothing, focusing on quality, and committing ourselves to making the most comfortable shoe we can make. We invite you to come see for yourself what 40 years of shoe making feels like.”

https://mysasshoes.com/about-sas-shoes#:~:text=are....

lol, did your statement make you feel more superior?

As for the shoes you are bragging about are merely assembled in America.

Which statement? That you would buy cheap foreign goods rather that American made? I still think that's likely to be true of you. You stole Sano's response rather than think for yourself, didn't you?

It is American Made. Full stop. Look at the video of the factory, see anyone that looks illegal? No. And see how many women are employed in the company that is run by a woman. I don't know any shoes made by American labor with American materials, except for the moccasin type shoes I bought on an Indian Reservation in my 30s. The Indians used to use brains to cure hide.

There are a few small American shoemakers left. If you want to keep the company profitable, and keep control of how the shoes are made, your going to need a source of materials reasonably priced or your shoe will be too expensive.

And look at the video - they aren't assembled, look at those processes. They're *made* you unthinking pre-Cambrian haploid.

And look at the video - they aren't assembled, look at those processes. They're *made* you unthinking pre-Cambrian haploid.

Based on that video.. I stand corrected.

What's going to happen to the price of those shoes when their global supply line gets Trump-tariffed?

What's going to happen to the price of those shoes when their global supply line gets Trump-tariffed?

Well, it's going to be leather and the poly soles. For all I know both of those are coming from Mexico. But I did find this:

SNIP United States imports most of its Unfinished Leather from Uruguay, India, and Brazil. SNIP

https://www.volza.com/p/unfinished-leather/import/...

So I think they're fine.

I think the love story will work out.

Gabbard wil now start a war of choice that you CORRECTLY oppose. A war that kills many Americans, many Iraqis, and costs trillions and results in America getting its ass kicked by Zarqawi and his gangs, while Liberals give Zarqawi aid and comfort and ratchet up political pressure on the President. Kinda like Vietnam. Kinda like Iraq in the 2000s.

Gabbard will benefit from zillions in weapons purchases and o on to be CEO of Halliburton.

Gabbard's kids will join Congress and genuflect for the War Party from Tel Aviv to Kiev to Northrop to Lockheed Martin.

There will be whole movies made about Gabbard being the antichrist and evil and usurping power.

BUT THEN.......

YEARS FROM NOW.........

Gabbard will speak against a candidate you dont like and endorse the one you've been told to like,

And then you can call her a patriot and defender of democracy.

IN the meantime, make sure Club 401K Kids, starting at the most elite Liberalcolleges get drafted in case WW3 happens. How do you DECID WHICH COLLEGES ARE THE MOST LIBERAL?

Easy - find which ones knew bout harassment of Jewish students and staff and did little about it and do a search and find the campuses you said little about.

*THose* are the campuses that are Liberal.

See? One stop shop.

Romance. History. Optimism. And suggestions win how to identify Liberal elite campuses.

Which statement? That you would buy cheap foreign goods rather that American made? I still think that's likely to be true of you. You stole Sano's response rather than think for yourself, didn't you?

Your assumptions are just that, assumptions. I have no idea who you are, never heard of you till this Board. I don’t even know if you are a fe/male. So likewise, you have no idea what I can afford or not.It’s easy on cyber boards to insult a poster for an answer, instead of attacking the content of a post.
Sano? no, I read the company’s website and it clearly stated their materials are imported and assembled in the U.S.

And look at the video - they aren't assembled, look at those processes. They're *made* you unthinking pre-Cambrian haploid.

This ‘unthinking pre-Cambrian haploid’ has enough smarts to look up the meaning of the word assemble.

“fit together the separate component parts of (a machine or other object).
"a factory that assembled parts for trucks" (or shoes)

the fitting together of manufactured parts into a complete machine, structure, or unit of a machine the assembly of an automobile, (or shoes)
b: a collection of parts so assembled”

Looking again at the website, each person had a task to complete, kinda like an assembly line.

I think the love story will work out.

Gabbard wil now start a war of choice that you CORRECTLY oppose. A war that kills many Americans, many Iraqis, and costs trillions and results in America getting its ass kicked by Zarqawi and his gangs, while Liberals give Zarqawi aid and comfort and ratchet up political pressure on the President. Kinda like Vietnam. Kinda like Iraq in the 2000s.

Gabbard will benefit from zillions in weapons purchases and o on to be CEO of Halliburton.

Gabbard's kids will join Congress and genuflect for the War Party from Tel Aviv to Kiev to Northrop to Lockheed Martin.

There will be whole movies made about Gabbard being the antichrist and evil and usurping power.

BUT THEN.......

YEARS FROM NOW.........

Gabbard will speak against a candidate you dont like and endorse the one you've been told to like,

And then you can call her a patriot and defender of democracy.

IN the meantime, make sure Club 401K Kids, starting at the most elite Liberalcolleges get drafted in case WW3 happens. How do you DECID WHICH COLLEGES ARE THE MOST LIBERAL?

Easy - find which ones knew bout harassment of Jewish students and staff and did little about it and do a search and find the campuses you said little about.

*THose* are the campuses that are Liberal.

See? One stop shop.

Romance. History. Optimism. And suggestions win how to identify Liberal elite campuses.

Dear Jedi,

It’s quite alright to feel the need to defend Tulsi Gabbard, but you projectile vomited your response straight into the wrong thread.

Cleanup on aisle WTF!!

Which statement? That you would buy cheap foreign goods rather that American made? I still think that's likely to be true of you. You stole Sano's response rather than think for yourself, didn't you?

Your assumptions are just that, assumptions. I have no idea who you are, never heard of you till this Board.

That's understandable, my name was totolapse and I didn't post on boards your frequented. It was the climate board for a while until I went to the Philippines and pretty much stopped posting. But what I said is true, isn't it?

And you're a little on the challenged side, Sano agreed they were "made". There are 150 processes and they take leather and soles and make a shoe. But you understand it's made if you looked, your challenge is with honesty, and you lied when you said you didn't steal from Sano, didn't you?

And you're a little on the challenged side, Sano agreed they were "made"

I'd be surprised if the poly soles were made in the USA. Most urethane stuff is offshored because the labor is cheaper, health and safety regs are more or less non-existent. Poor bastards. The largest maker of foam surfboard blanks closed his shop in Orange County after he was inspected and found to be running a chemical hellhole. Rather than bringing it up to code, he demolished the factory leaving the surfboard industry in a panic.

No worries, within a few months there were foam blank makers in Asia and Mexico happily filling orders for American surfboard makers. Then the surfboard shops in the USA realized that Asian blank factories could make perfect surfboards faster and cheaper.

There are still custom boards being made in the US but most surfboards and standup paddleboards are 100% made in Asia.

Even the great American guitar makers have less expensive lines made in Asia; Fenders are made in Mexico and Asia. Martin, Gibson, they all have Asian production lines. Custom shop instruments are still available at premium prices. Those are made in America on production lines; one guy glues, one guy sands.

Clearly the LM doesn't understand Henry Ford's radical production line concept.

I'd be surprised if the poly soles were made in the USA.

I just assumed they weren't made in the USA, thanks for the surfboard story. Yep, I have a Martin D35 and all the rosewood is imported for guitars - think mostly from India.

You're right, it looks like she's trying to make it fit into assembly, when it doesn't. :) I'm happy to see American labor in non-keyboard work. I made my living at the keyboard. It was interesting that the video emphasized only a few people could consistently do the hand stitching of shoes correctly. Who'd a thunk?

Yep, I have a Martin D35 and all the rosewood is imported for guitars - think mostly from India.

Probably. My D28 has Brazilian, pretty scarce these days.

I recall Gibson got into hot water for importing finished components of some restricted exotic woods; necks? fretboards? bridges? something like that.

Gibson alleged it was a political hit instigated by Martin, IIRC.

Found it!

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/gibson-guitar-corp-...

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