Be kinde to folk. This changeth the whole habitat.
- Manlobbi
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Other reports say that China back-channeled to Iran and told them to take the deal.
Why? It was squeezing their economy.
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Iran says it has "forced" the US to accept its "10-point plan" which includes the following terms:
1. Commitment to non-aggression
2. Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz
3. Acceptance of Iran's uranium enrichment
4. Lifting of all primary sanctions
5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions
6. Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
7. Termination of all Board of Governors resolutions
8. Paying compensation to Iran
9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
10. Cessation of war on all fronts, including in Lebanon
Trump says this plan is "a workable basis." #WINNING!
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Dope1: Iran's foreign minister says passage through the Strait of Hormuz will be allowed for next two weeks under Iranian military management.
The art of the deal: Pedo Don wound up giving Iran massively more control over the global energy market than it had before he started the war.
You trumpers are morons.
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I see some goobs weighing in.
First off, lol.
Second off. The Straits of Hormuz are international waters. There's no scenario where the Iranians get to "control" it. If the French want to pay, great. Let them. But nobody else will.
It seems our local chatbots need another firmware download.
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Oh - also hardest hit are the French. Cut that side deal with the IRGC for French passage and threw what was left of their national honor away...for nothing.
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The art of the deal: Pedo Don wound up giving Iran massively more control over the global energy market than it had before he started the war.The "arty deal" (of course, he claims he won)
Trump agrees to 2-week ceasefire deal with Iran after threatening to wipe out its 'whole civilization.' How we got here, and what could happen next.
“The reason for doing so is that we have already met and exceeded all Military objectives, and are very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East,” Trump wrote. “We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate.”
Iran’s foreign minister confirmed in a statement that the Iranians would “cease their defensive operation” and that “for a period of two weeks, safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz will be possible.”https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/world/article...The question is, will Trump the Conqueror negotiate in good faith, for a change? Or will he act like a "JC"; make lots of promises, then stab Iran in the back, again.
Steve
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The question is, will Trump the Conqueror negotiate in good faith, for a change? Or will he act like a "JC"; make lots of promises, then stab Iran in the back, again.
"Stab Iran in the back"? How would he do that?
There's fake news reporting that Trump agreed to Iran's 10 point plan. That's not correct. Trump said their plan was the basis of negotiations. There's no universe where they get to keep their nuke programs, are gifted control of international waters, have sanctions lifted, yadda yadda yadda. Not happening.
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Wow, if true this certainly looks like a Taco by Trump. Doesn't appear to be a victory. Russia and Iran now have money. Trump folk haven't shown themselves to be good negotiators. I'll just hope something good comes out of all this.
1. Commitment to non-aggression
2. Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz
3. Acceptance of Iran's uranium enrichment
4. Lifting of all primary sanctions
5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions
6. Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
7. Termination of all Board of Governors resolutions
8. Paying compensation to Iran
9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
10. Cessation of war on all fronts, including in Lebanon
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"Stab Iran in the back"? How would he do that?
He has attacked Iran, while in the middle of negotiating a peaceful settlement, twice, in the space of less than a year.
There's fake news reporting that Trump agreed to Iran's 10 point plan. That's not correct.
You are correct. He said the 10 point proposal was "workable", meaning it is a starting point to negotiate precise provisions of a final agreement.
Negotiations were making progress in February too. The Omani mediator said Iran was offering more than it offered in the JCPOA. Another meeting was scheduled for a few days later, but Trump attacked in the interim.
Meanwhile, that second assault ship full of Marines draws closer to the Persian Gulf. The first assault ship arrived March 27. The second, USS Boxer, stopped at Hawaii on March 31. At her cruising speed of 18kts, she could make the trip from Hawaii to the Persian Gulf in 21-23 days, according to the net sifter, ie about two weeks from now.
Steve
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Meanwhile, that second assault ship full of Marines draws closer to the Persian Gulf. The first assault ship arrived March 27. The second, USS Boxer, stopped at Hawaii on March 31. At her cruising speed of 18kts, she could make the trip from Hawaii to the Persian Gulf in 21-23 days, according to the net sifter, ie about two weeks from now.
All that’s been agreed to is a pause. As things stand now, the demands each side has do not look acceptable to counter-parties.
Looks like the pause that refreshes (missile and drone inventories)
And there are reports that both Iran and Israel carried out attacks after cease fire was announced.
Anyone want to bet on how long this thing holds? Or whether it will immediately be followed by boots on Kharg Island?
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And there are reports that both Iran and Israel carried out attacks after cease fire was announced.It's possible that not all Iranian units have received cease fire orders, yet.
Or
The Paki mediators say the cease fire covers not only Iran, but also Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon.
The Israelis say it does not cover Lebanon, and they are continuing that war.
Netanyahu: Ceasefire doesn’t cover Lebanon, US told Israel it’s committed to achieving our shared goals in talks with Iran
Four hours after US President Donald Trump’s announcement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office issues a statement welcoming the ceasefire between the US and Iran, while stressing that it does not cover Lebanon despite Pakistani mediators’ claims to the contrary.https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netan...Of course, the Israelis are notorious for ignoring cease fire agreements, that they are a direct party to. There has been a cease fire in Gaza since last October, but, since then, the Israelis have killed between 400 and 700 people in Gaza. Israel signed a cease fire agreement in Lebanon in the fall of 24. Hezbollah held it's fire, until Iran was attacked. Israel never stopped shooting, attacking Lebanon nearly every day, killing some 300 people.
Steve
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Anyone want to bet on how long this thing holds?
From CNN
Israeli officials are concerned about the temporary ceasefire agreement the US has reached with Iran, an Israeli source familiar with the matter said.
The source said Israel will abide by the ceasefire, following US President Donald Trump’s lead.
But Israel is doing so reluctantly: Israel still has more targets on its list and more goals it would like to achieve through military action in Iran, the source said. …
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"I see some goobs weighing in.
First off, lol.
Second off. The Straits of Hormuz are international waters. There's no scenario where the Iranians get to "control" it. If the French want to pay, great. Let them. But nobody else will.
It seems our local chatbots need another firmware download." - Dumbass Dope
First of all, Dumbass Dope calling others goobs?!?!?! That is hilarious.
Second of all, how does Dumbass Dope think there is no scenario where the Iranians get control of the Straits of Hormuz and that no one else will pay? Reality has shown that what the U.S. is currently doing won't prevent Iran from stopping shipping in the Straits of Hormuz. The only way to guarantee Iran won't continue to control who goes through the Straits is to either get Iran to agree to peace (which means making big concessions to Iran) or to put boots on the ground to takeover at least the coast of Iran.
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"There's fake news reporting that Trump agreed to Iran's 10 point plan. That's not correct. Trump said their plan was the basis of negotiations." - Dumbass Dope
Every news report I have seen correctly stated that Trump said the Iranian 10 point plan was the basis of negotiations. So I think Dumbass Dope is just playing the whiny victim like he always does with his fake news comment.
That said, He somehow thinks using the Iranian 10-point plan as basis for negotiation is somehow ok. That is insane. As has been posted in this thread numerous times here is the summary of Iran's plan:
1. Commitment to non-aggression
2. Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz
3. Acceptance of Iran's uranium enrichment
4. Lifting of all primary sanctions
5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions
6. Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
7. Termination of all Board of Governors resolutions
8. Paying compensation to Iran
9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
10. Cessation of war on all fronts, including in Lebanon
Other than #1 and #10 (which is the whole point of the cease fire), numbers 2 through 9 are unacceptable to everyone and would be a major disaster from where Iran was just 10 years ago. Even saying that this plan is the basis of negotiation on Trump's part is a major failure for him. If Obama had ever made a comment like that, Dumbass Dope would have rightfully been all over Obama for giving in to Iran. But since it is Trump, Dumbass keeps his mouth shut and does more turd polishing.
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The [Pakistani] mediators say the cease fire covers not only Iran, but also Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon.Steve, the original word you used in the above sentence is a racial slur. I doubt very much that you intended it as such.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur)
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That said, He somehow thinks using the Iranian 10-point plan as basis for negotiation is somehow ok. That is insane. As has been posted in this thread numerous times here is the summary of Iran's plan:
1. Commitment to non-aggression
2. Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz
3. Acceptance of Iran's uranium enrichment
4. Lifting of all primary sanctions
5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions
6. Termination of all UN Security Council resolutions
7. Termination of all Board of Governors resolutions
8. Paying compensation to Iran
9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
10. Cessation of war on all fronts, including in LebanonWhere are you guys getting this plan?
Here's a different plan:
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/middle-...The BBC, citing an Iranian state broadcaster, reports the following 10-point proposal
1. Complete cessation of the war on Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen
2. Complete and permanent cessation of the war on Iran with no time limit
3. Ending all conflicts in the region in their entirety
4. Reopening the Strait of Hormuz
5. Establishing a protocol and conditions to ensure freedom and security of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz
6. Full payment of compensation for reconstruction costs to Iran
7. Full commitment to lifting sanctions on Iran
8. Release of Iranian funds and frozen assets held by the United States
9. Iran fully commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons
10. Immediate ceasefire takes effect on all fronts immediately upon approval of the above conditions
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Morons or Putin bots?
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Iran says it has "forced" the US to accept its "10-point plan" which includes the following terms:
The art of the deal!
5D chess...he's brilliant!
FOX 'news' will be shouting his praises.
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Steve, the original word you used in the above sentence is a racial slur. I doubt very much that you intended it as such.
You are correct. Apologies.
Steve
