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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75964 
Subject: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/21/26 8:42 PM
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_...

ICE agents told they can enter homes without judge’s warrant, report says

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are being authorized to forcefully enter homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an ICE memo obtained by the Associated Press, pushing the boundaries of government searches and civil rights as protests against President Donald Trump’s use of federal immigration agents in cities throughout the U.S. continue.

The memo authorizes federal immigration officials to forcefully enter residences based on a “narrow administrative warrant,” the Associated Press reported, noting advocates’ view that the approach “collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities.”


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-agents-told-...

What is an "administrative warrant"? from the net sifter:

An administrative warrant is an internal document, often used in immigration (ICE) or regulatory contexts, that authorizes an agency to take action, like arresting someone for immigration violations or inspecting for public health/safety, but it differs from a judicial warrant because it's not signed by a judge and generally does not grant authority to forcibly enter a private home without consent, unlike a criminal warrant. These are civil, not criminal, documents used to enforce agency rules, not criminal laws.

Key Characteristics

Issuer: Issued by an administrative agency or official (e.g., an ICE officer or immigration judge), not a federal judge.

Purpose: To enforce administrative regulations (like immigration or health codes) for civil matters.

Authority: Authorizes arrest or inspection but not forcible entry into private property (like a home) without consent or a judicial warrant.

Standard: Requires a lower standard of proof (probable cause) than a criminal warrant.


Am I reading that right? A ICE officer can write his own warrant, on the spot, to beat down my door and drag me through the snow?

Steve




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Author: jerryab   😊 😞
Number: of 75964 
Subject: Re: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/21/26 8:48 PM
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Standard: Requires a lower standard of proof (probable cause) than a criminal warrant.

Name yourself an ICE agent ("lower standard", remember?) and break into THEIR houses with a battering ram. Perfectly legal.

Suspected health code violations <-- Why the door-breeches/battering rams are necessary.
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Author: wzambon 🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 75964 
Subject: Re: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/21/26 10:04 PM
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Am I reading that right? A ICE officer can write his own warrant, on the spot, to beat down my door and drag me through the snow?

As your copied text suggests- not without consent
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Author: wzambon 🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 75964 
Subject: Re: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/22/26 1:02 AM
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More on ICE agents being taught to ignore the 4th Amendment:

https://youtu.be/TsZYz_pQKYA?si=_wlPRPqRDq02l4kp
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75964 
Subject: Re: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/22/26 1:35 AM
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As your copied text suggests- not without consent

The net sifter piece on "administrative warrants" say entry cannot be by force, but the linked article says the intent is to use the "administrative warrants" for forcible entry.

Steve
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Author: wzambon 🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 75964 
Subject: Re: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/22/26 2:00 AM
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The net sifter piece on "administrative warrants" say entry cannot be by force, but the linked article says the intent is to use the "administrative warrants" for forcible entry.

Take a look at video link I included in post just above yours.

Looks like an internal memo was sent, guiding instructors to inform new recruits that they didn’t need a judicial warrant- that an administrative warrant was sufficient for forced entry. And in the process- please disregard all previous instruction on the matter.

So now it’s with Congress. Will Congress do its job?

Bueller?
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75964 
Subject: Re: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/22/26 2:05 AM
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Take a look at video link I included in post just above yours.

I did, after replying to your first post. Check out my post about the new DHS threat assessment names US Citizens as a threat.

Steve
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 75964 
Subject: Re: what 4th Amendment?
Date: 01/22/26 9:04 AM
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So now it’s with Congress. Will Congress do its job?

Not as long as it is controlled by Quislings.
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