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- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
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Most human beings - if they are being honest - have prejudices. No, doesn't mean they want to tie people to a tree or refuse to hire someone - - it just means, human beings, have prejudices. Whether you se a young black man in a hoodie, or a fat white doude with a cowboy hat and pick up truck.....most humans, do --- to an extend - pre-judge.
But why does ONE group "need a homeland"?
Why don't black people kick someone out of somewhere and claim it as their country? One might argue they've been treated a bit poorly.
Why won't Christian people have that?
Why don't Hindus have an exclusive country just for their religion?
And buddhists?
Sure, many countries have huge majorities of a religion.....but those countries don't exist for the sole purpose of protecting and promoting their DNA.
ONE ENTITY....has to have that.
Why.
Why the need?
Why thru history has one group - -had an issue, with, uh, mostly everybody?
HERE'S TO THE WOKE LEFT.....AND THE SQUAD......TALK HARD.
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But why does ONE group "need a homeland"?
Because they were driven out of their homeland, and therefore they deserve to have at least a portion of their homeland back. One where they can control their own destiny and have autonomy.
That's what makes the situation in the Middle East so fraught. There is a general recognition that the Palestinians do need a homeland, as most other groups have. Japan for the Japanese, France for the French, Egypt for the Egyptians, and on down the line - virtually every square inch of the planet is allocated to the homeland of one group or another. There's no reason why the Palestinians should be different. And without a homeland, their lives are both fraught and entirely dependent on the suffrage of other groups.
So that's the need. They can't continue to live in refugee camps, either within the old Mandate borders or in Jordan and Lebanon. They have to have a homeland at some point. Accommodating that, though, is incredibly complicated.
Albaby
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That's what makes the situation in the Middle East so fraught. There is a general recognition that the Palestinians do need a homeland, as most other groups have. Japan for the Japanese, France for the French, Egypt for the Egyptians, and on down the line - virtually every square inch of the planet is allocated to the homeland of one group or another. There's no reason why the Palestinians should be different. And without a homeland, their lives are both fraught and entirely dependent on the suffrage of other groups.
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There is a reason why Palestinians are different.
Israel, and its American backers.
Palestinians get far less money and military aid .
And are the homelands of France, Egypt, etc- based on religion or nationality?
Be it the Red, White and blue.....the Red Sun of Japan's flag......the wheel in the Indian Flag...not sure if they are about Krishna, Buddha, or Christ. They are not.
Luckily, those who take umbrage, are speaking up.
In the end - they will prevail. Another generation to go.
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And are the homelands of France, Egypt, etc- based on religion or nationality?
Depending on the specific homeland, it can be a mix of both (many nations have official religions) - and other things besides. So too with groups. For example, the Turkish people - whose homeland is Turkey - are a linguistic group (they are Turkish speakers), an ethnic group (they share common Turkish geneology, culture, and ancestry), and as of 1923 are the citizenry of the then-created country of Turkey.
What denotes the people of a homeland can be a complicated question - especially since it took several centuries for the Westphalian system (1648), which formalized the modern concept of "nation-states" and citizenship, to spread into areas outside of Europe.
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But why does ONE group "need a homeland"?
Because over the course of literally millennia ONE GROUP has been consistently chased, harassed, beaten up, forced to live as second class citizens or been subject to organized murder over and over again.
I don't blame them for saying "screw the rest of you, we're building a camp right here".
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Because over the course of literally millennia ONE GROUP has been consistently chased, harassed, beaten up, forced to live as second class citizens or been subject to organized murder over and over again.
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Of all the people in the world.....why does this group consistently get that treatment?
Is someone just plain unlucky?
I mean, if I am getting picked on at school, and I change schools, and I'm picked on again.....and this happens to ME, in every single school..... then in the end, is it maybe - my aftershave that is the problem?
Here's to Woke Leftism.
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I mean, if I am getting picked on at school, and I change schools, and I'm picked on again.....and this happens to ME, in every single school..... then in the end, is it maybe - my aftershave that is the problem?
Welp, if you're a part of that group, pretty soon you enroll in MMA class and learn how to beat the ever loving sh1t out of your tormentors.
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Depending on the specific homeland, it can be a mix of both (many nations have official religions) - and other things besides. So too with groups. For example, the Turkish people - whose homeland is Turkey - are a linguistic group (they are Turkish speakers), an ethnic group (they share common Turkish geneology, culture, and ancestry), and as of 1923 are the citizenry of the then-created country of Turkey.
Interesting you should mention Turkey...that brings up another "lost tribe": the Kurds. They have no homeland, but claim some territory from several nations (including Turkey and Iraq).
A little closer to home, how about the Seminoles? Their homeland was Oklahoma. No more. All of the native Americans were displaced, and put on the crappiest land the US government could find. They have no hope of achieving recovery of their land (i.e. the whole of the continental US, and at least parts of Canada).
At some point, the homeland is lost. You have to move on or perish. I'm not saying that is the case here, but at what point will it be the case?
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"But why does ONE group "need a homeland"?"
Holocaust guilt.
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I mean, if I am getting picked on at school, and I change schools, and I'm picked on again.....and this happens to ME, in every single school..... then in the end, is it maybe - my aftershave that is the problem?
Wait - are you saying that the Jews have brought this on themselves? That they are the reason why anti-semitism has existed for millennia?
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I mean, if I am getting picked on at school, and I change schools, and I'm picked on again.....and this happens to ME, in every single school..... then in the end, is it maybe - my aftershave that is the problem?
Welp, if you're a part of that group, pretty soon you enroll in MMA class and learn how to beat the ever loving sh1t out of your tormentors.
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Absolutely right. BUT I'd also have to politically organize and manipulate the hell out of the stronger school across town and make sure their principal, admins, and key levers of their school - would blindly support me. And people would be right to call me out for time and again manipulating and sucking like a vulture.
But, while I'm in MMA, and engaged in a forever war...... shouldn't I at least wonder - why me, every single time, every single place, from every single group?
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shouldn't I at least wonder - why me, every single time, every single place, from every single group?
Not if you know anything about history or human nature.
Persecution of minority groups within a society - especially religious minorities - is so ridiculously prevalent in human history as to be basically a universal constant of human society. If you are a religious minority you would expect that every single time, every single place, you run the risk of being persecuted at some point. Any minority that attempts to maintain its own separate religious, cultural, or ethnic identity faces that.
Jews aren't unique in facing such persecution. Whether the Yazidis, the Huguenots, the Romani, Zoroastarians....countless groups across the eons and across the miles have been persecuted. Many of those groups simply get destroyed, like the smaller "heretic" religious groups that the formal Church just slaughtered all their adherents, or all of the pagan religions that were stamped out of existence over centuries through the more "civilized" mechanism of tormenting them until their adherents just gave up.
The Jews are "special" solely by dint of our longevity and geographical dispersion. We're one of the oldest religious minorities. While many religious minorities were also universally persecuted, they just didn't survive. Related to that, we've gone through numerous expulsions which dispersed us throughout the globe - the Babylonian captivity, the expulsion by the Romans from Judea, the expulsion from England in 1290, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, the forced relocation to the Pale of Settlement in the 1700's...all the way through the mass expulsion of most Jewish communities from north Africa and the Middle east in the 1940's. Because we got around more than the Zoroastrians or the Yazidi, we've just encountered more majority populations to persecute us.
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Interesting you should mention Turkey...that brings up another "lost tribe": the Kurds. They have no homeland, but claim some territory from several nations (including Turkey and Iraq).
A little closer to home, how about the Seminoles? Their homeland was Oklahoma. No more. All of the native Americans were displaced, and put on the crappiest land the US government could find. They have no hope of achieving recovery of their land (i.e. the whole of the continental US, and at least parts of Canada).
At some point, the homeland is lost. You have to move on or perish. I'm not saying that is the case here, but at what point will it be the case? - 1pg
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Well Put!
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Most human beings - if they are being honest - have prejudices. No, doesn't mean they want to tie people to a tree or refuse to hire someone - - it just means, human beings, have prejudices. Whether you se a young black man in a hoodie, or a fat white doude with a cowboy hat and pick up truck.....most humans, do --- to an extend - pre-judge.
We have preferences also, which is different.
Why don't black people kick someone out of somewhere and claim it as their country? One might argue they've been treated a bit poorly.
Rwandan genocide anyone? Besides, you don't have to look far at all to find countries where the inhabitants are mostly black.
Why won't Christian people have that? Vatican city? Huegenots?
Why don't Hindus have an exclusive country just for their religion? No one has exclusive - but Nepal, India. Israel isn't exclusive - 74% Jewish.
And buddhists? Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar, etc.
Sure, many countries have huge majorities of a religion.....but those countries don't exist for the sole purpose of protecting and promoting their DNA.
ONE ENTITY....has to have that.
Why.
Why the need?
Ok, you should answer this yourself. The persecution of the Jews is a couple of thousand years old. You find Antisemitism in literature - Shakespeare - pound of flesh? Islam existed peacefully with Muslims until they didn't. It doesn't seem you've figured out that the reason why Jews are being expelled from countries is that people want those countries for their religion/ethnicity - are ya blind to that?
Why thru history has one group - -had an issue, with, uh, mostly everybody?
Classic blame the victim. . Take a look at our recent history. Popery is slavery ring a bell? Why did the Puritans leave Britain? What was Pennsylvania's origin? What was Rhode Island's origin? What were the Quakers? Pennsylvania Dutch? The Amish. Were the Founding Fathers familiar with the Huguenots?
Tired, but chores await.
