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No. of Recommendations: 17
in the Abrego Garcia case.
4th Circuit denied the Trump administration's appeal to them and delivered a well-written opinion - by the most conservative judge on the panel.
I'm sure better people here can find a link to the opinion. For now, here's a video that's mainly just a reading of the opinion. The whole opinion is on screen, so feel free to skip straight to it for your reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS9DsHGhs-8Here's a couple of snippets from the Court's opinion:
While we fully respect the Executive's robust assertion of its Article II powers, we shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine district judge attempting to implement the Supreme Court's recent decision.
...
The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. ... Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia was wrongly or "mistakenly" deported. Why then should it not make what was wrong, right?Dope, can you understand that? This is exactly what I was trying to tell you, but you stubbornly refuse to listen to fact and logic, replacing with your own fatally flawed opinion instead of actual facts.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 6
No. of Recommendations: 3
I don't know about "better" people, but here's a link:
My sneaky mind games worked!!!
More truthfully, I was too lazy to look and knew there were people here who better knew how to get to such things quickly. Thank you for that.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 2
Dope, can you understand that? This is exactly what I was trying to tell you, but you stubbornly refuse to listen to fact and logic, replacing with your own fatally flawed opinion instead of actual facts.
Failure, you are.
Stop making other people the issue. You made a bunch of spurious accusations in the other thread and then ran away.
Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.
1. Nobody said he isn't.
2. He's had 3 cracks up in front of judges.
You've been shown all the court orders. It's on *you* that you're making the choice to not read any of them.
No. of Recommendations: 12
You've been shown all the court orders.
Yep. They're all irrelevant.
He had 3 cracks in front of judges. But there should have been a 4th. He didn't get that and instead got illegally disappeared to another country.
Jump up and down all you want. That is the important fact and the one the 4th Circuit judges honed in on. Even they said it doesn't matter if he's a member of MS-13 or not. It's right in the opinion for you to read. Not my opinion - the unanimous opinion of 3 appellate court judges.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 2
Yep. They're all irrelevant.
Uh. Who is substituting his opinion for actual fact now?
LOL
He had 3 cracks in front of judges.
You should stop there and recognize that your NO DEW PWOCESS argument is kaput, right there.
But there should have been a 4th.
Why? The only reason this is a thing at all is because they sent him to his own country. Had they driven his a$$ across the border and left in Mexico you'd have to find another wife-beater to root for.
No. of Recommendations: 8
I found this article about Mr. Garcia. Some may not like it because it appears to be impartial, or as Joe Friday would say, “Just the facts, ma’am.”
Regardless of whether you think he as innocent as a newborn lamb or guilty as sin (or something in between), when in America, he had the right to due process (regardless of how you spell it) before deportation.
God damn Constitution. What idiots ever thought that would be a good idea? Other than some guys like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hamilton, etc., etc.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno
No. of Recommendations: 17
Dope1: You've been shown all the court orders.
Here are the only relevant court orders:
SUPREME COURT: The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.
THE 4th CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS: The administration is “asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”
As to the “evidence” that Abrego Garcia is a gang member, here's Roger Parloff, Yale Law School graduate and senior editor at Lawfare: “It's double hearsay stemming from a document written by somebody indicted for misconduct.”
Buddy, you have a gift for always being on the wrong side of history.
No. of Recommendations: 13
Uh. Who is substituting his opinion for actual fact now?
Not me. I'm just repeating (and lightly paraphrasing) the opinion of the 4th Circuit Court judges. I already quoted them above if you don't believe me. They are the ones that say the MS-13 stuff is a red herring. Member or not, he needs due process before he can be deported.
You should stop there and recognize that your NO DEW PWOCESS argument is kaput, right there.
Nice diss there, Mr. quite properly named Dope.
Once again, it's not my due process argument. It is Mr. Garcia's due process argument. And the 4th circuit agrees that his right to due process before the actual deportation was violated.
This is pretty simple stuff. That you can't understand this speaks volumes to your willful blindness to the atrocities the Trump administration is committing against people living (now formerly living) in the United States of America.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 1
TRUMP SMACKED DOWN!!!!!
America is in tip top condition.
Problem solved!
No. of Recommendations: 3
The only reason this is a thing at all is because they sent him to his own country.
Still ignoring the law, as usual.
Spankee and his ignorant morots ignored a federal ruling--which they acknowledged was "their error". THAT is what caused the current situation--nothing else.
Whine and complain all you want. It does NOT change the facts they F'd up and now have to pay the penalties for their errors.
It will likely be VERY expensive.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Not me.
lol. Whatevs.
They are the ones that say the MS-13 stuff is a red herring. Member or not, he needs due process before he can be deported.
Failure.
He’s an illegal alien. Fact.
He was here for years and then suddenly decided to apply for amnesty.
The judge DENIED THE PETITION.
See, right there that’s called due process. He asked for a thing and didn’t get the thing.
Now let’s go back to the illegal alien bit. Since his application for amnesty WAS DENIED that means he’s subject to deportation.
The only person engaging in red herring stuff is *you*.
Egads. You libs are so bad at this.
Once again, it's not my due process argument.
No, it’s you sticking your fingers in your ears while somehow simultaneously covering your eyes.
One more time for the slow:
1. He’s an illegal immigrant
2. He applied for but was rejected for amnesty
3. The feds can deport him. Just not to El Salvador.
One of us can’t understand, all right. As I said - go find another wife beating illegal to erect a GoFundMe for. I’m sure the left’s propaganda organs will dig one up forthwith.
No. of Recommendations: 1
No. of Recommendations: 9
No, it’s you sticking your fingers in your ears while somehow simultaneously covering your eyes.
Why is it that every accusation from a MAGAt is actually a confession? It's uncanny how regular a thing that is.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 2
Why is it that every accusation from a MAG
Hmm. You have a third thing - doing what I said all with your head most of the way up your a$$. That takes some real talent!
Congrats. In the meantime, go learn to argue.
No. of Recommendations: 14
That is the important fact and the one the 4th Circuit judges honed in on. Even they said it doesn't matter if he's a member of MS-13 or not. It's right in the opinion for you to read. Not my opinion - the unanimous opinion of 3 appellate court judges. Who wrote the opinion, given unanimous verdict?
Wilkinson, a Reagan appointee who has been on the bench for 41 years, is one of the nation’s most prominent conservative appellate judges. His seven-page opinion is the latest — and most scorching — judicial rebuke of the Trump administration’s aggressive moves to sidestep court orders in high-profile immigration cases. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/17/abrego-ga...
