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So former president Trump faces major new charges in the documents case. The office of the special counsel accused the former president of seeking to delete security camera footage at Mar-a-Lago and has named a maintenance worker, Carlos De Oliveira, as a new defendant.

The revised indictment also added three serious charges against Mr. Trump ' attempting to "alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal evidence"; inducing someone else to do so; and a new count, the 32nd, under the Espionage Act stemming from a classified national security document he showed to visitors at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J.

And there are two new witnesses, Trump Empoyee 4 and Trump Employee 5.

For Dope1, one of the documents, Document 32, a TOP SECRET//NOFORN document, appears to be the Iran war plan which was retained at Mar-a-Lago but shown to journalists at Bedminster (and which Trump said didn't exist).

Trump directed the destruction of the server with the video footage.

I'll wait for you to be outraged and condemn Trump as often and as vigorously as you attacked Hillary, although it turned out she had three classified documents emailed to her which were not correctly marked as classified.

Three.

To recap:

Illegal activities directed by Trump.

Obstruction.

Concealment.

Consciousness of Guilt.

Signal Chat Group.

National Security.

And that's your leading candidate for the republican presidential nomination.

I'll wait for you to be outraged and condemn Trump as often and as vigorously as you attacked Hillary, although it turned out she had three classified documents emailed to her which were not correctly marked as classified.

And I'll wait for you to admit to rank hypocrisy when you DEFENDED Hillary! to the nines.

See, by way of contrast, I've said that Trump shouldn't have had the docs.

Your attempt at playing gotcha? Fail.

Dope1: And I'll wait for you to admit to rank hypocrisy when you DEFENDED Hillary! to the nines.

I said Clinton did not have TOP SECRET/NOFORN documents, which you insisted she did.

I said Clinton took no documents, that they were emailed to her in her role as Secretary of State, while you still falsely claim she removed documents from a SCIF, writing "Taking satellite photos out of the SCIF is enough intent right there, in Hillary!'s case."

You recently wrote: *Trump has the power to declassify
*The procedure isn't clear, but the President determines the procedure.


Dope1: See, by way of contrast, I've said that Trump shouldn't have had the docs.

Actually, you wrote: "You can't have that stuff unless as President he declassified it. Looks like he didn't.

Not exactly the same level of condemnation you had for Clinton, is it?

Trump has been indicted for retaining some of the nation's most sensitive TOP SECRET//NOFORN national security documents, showing them to visitors at Bedminster, directing others in a conspiracy to block the investigation of the documents and obstruction of justice.

Trump led a conspiracy to hide and conceal classified documents that belong to the United States government.

You know who didn't do any of that?

The email lady.

So former president Trump faces major new charges in the documents case

So? What's new?
If not Trump our next President will still be a Republican.

The Biden Crime Family is destroying the dem party.

I said Clinton did not have TOP SECRET/NOFORN documents, which you insisted she di

And you've been wrong/lying/obfuscating for what? 6 years or something now?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-spy-satellite-se...

Now this is where the mendacious lying comes in.
TK/SCI material never leaves the SCIF and is ALWAYS marked with the appropriate classification marks. Hillary! or somebody else 1) removed it from the air-gapped system and then 2) removed the classification marks.

So your dodge doesn't fly. It would be irrelevant anyway since Herselfwas conducting State business on her closet server.

Again, Fail. Stop trying to drag others into your hypocrisy whirlwind.

So? What's new?

I'll tell you what's not new: Him demanding everyone else be outraged while he STILL sits there and defends Herself exactly as I said he would. LOL@him.

Dope, you seemed very wrapped up in Hillary's server, emails, top secret, etc. Haven't you read any of the more moderating reviews of that controversy? I remember some reviews.

Hillary wasn't the only one to keep her own server, Colin Powell did too,and Rice, IIRC. Some of the classified info wasn't classified until after it was sent to her. Here's a review from someone who read the FBI report, seems level headed.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/09/14-...

LurkerMom: So? What's new?
If not Trump our next President will still be a Republican.

The Biden Crime Family is destroying the dem party.

What's new? Seriously?

1. Attempting to 'alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal evidence';

2. Conspiring with someone else to do so;

3. A new count under the Espionage Act.

The leader of the republican party has been found in a civil court to be a rapist, is under civil and criminal indictment, faces multiple felony charges, and likely will be indicted at least twice more, under new federal charges for the January 6 coup and under state charges in Georgia for racketeering.

The republican party screamed that Clinton should not run for the presidency because she was under investigation by the FBI. Trump will be running under multiple indictments.

Destroying the democratic party? How?

The democratic party is united behind Biden. Even AOC and Bernie have endorsed his reelection.

You want to see a political party being destroyed? Wait'll the other presidential candidates turn against Trump. He'll destroy them one by one and burn the republican party to the ground. He'll burn America to the ground for just the slightest chance of stopping these trials because he knows there's the possibility he'll finally be held accountable for his crimes.

The leader of the republican party has been found in a civil court to be a rapist, is under civil and criminal indictment, faces multiple felony charges, and likely will be indicted at least twice more, under new federal charges for the January 6 coup and under state charges in Georgia for racketeering.

YaYa..again, so what. I care as much as the left cared about Bill Clinton desecrating the
Oval Office. Trumps poll numbers keep going up, up, up. Doesn't that tell you people are
weary, sick and tired of the left's witch hunt, the ever wasting of Americans hard earned tax money? If Trump is not re-elected President, so be it. Another worthy Republican will be elected instead.

Destroying the democratic party? How?

Turn off CNN, NBC etc and watch, listen or read reputable news outlets and open your eyes to the Biden Crime Family.

The democratic party is united behind Biden. Even AOC and Bernie have endorsed his reelection.

AOC? Bernie? Bwahahaha..don't need to say more.

You want to see a political party being destroyed? Wait'll the other presidential candidates turn against Trump.

It's the primaries, it's what politicians do, you know, like democrat RFK Jr is now going after the crook Biden. Trump managed to outsmart the other candidates, even Jeb Bush, the chosen one. The Bush family never got over it, joining up with the dems 'hate Trump'.

He'll burn America to the ground for just the slightest chance of stopping these trials because he knows there's the possibility he'll finally be held accountable for his crimes.

Well, you can keep on hoping, so far the American people are shaking their heads, like what?
more charges? more of the left's obsession with Trump?
As I said, if not Trump, another worthy Republican will be elected President.

Dope1: Now this is where the mendacious lying comes in.

Yeah, from you.

Sweet baby Jesus, it's like you guys don't even read your own links.

From your link: Most seriously, the inspector general assessed that Clinton's emails included information that was highly classified -- yet mislabeled as unclassified. And the information wasn't mislabeled, it was later up-classified.

As I said, somebody else sent Clinton information via email that wasn't considered classified when sent, wasn't marked classified at the time because it wasn't considered classified at the time.

Here, from a more reputable news source: Neither of the two emails sent to Hillary Rodham Clinton now labeled by intelligence agencies as 'top secret' contained information that would jump out to experts as particularly sensitive, according to several government officials.

One included a discussion of a U.S. drone strike, part of a covert program that is widely known and discussed. A second conversation could have improperly referred to highly classified material, but it also could have reflected information collected independently, U.S. officials who have reviewed the correspondence told The Associated Press.

Also...

Clinton didn't transmit the sensitive information herself, they said, and nothing in the emails she received makes direct reference to communications intercepts, confidential intelligence methods or any other form of sensitive sourcing.

Dope1: TK/SCI material never leaves the SCIF and is ALWAYS marked with the appropriate classification marks. Hillary! or somebody else 1) removed it from the air-gapped system and then 2) removed the classification marks.

Clearly, it was not marked classified at the time. Everyone agrees on that point. Comey testified, under oath, to Congress that in the end there were no documents correctly marked classified on her server and only three that had a (c) in the body of the text but no correct classification markings.

None.

The satellite information was published in a New York Times article, for crying out loud. How much more public can information get than being in the newspaper?


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-top-secre...

And I'll wait for you to admit to rank hypocrisy when you DEFENDED Hillary! to the nines.

Absolutely NO equivalence. Not at all. Just look at the facts.

From your link: Most seriously, the inspector general assessed that Clinton's emails included information that was highly classified -- yet mislabeled as unclassified. And the information wasn't mislabeled, it was later up-classified.

Knowing you make this bogus arguement, I covered this.
Again: Material like that is BORN CLASSIFIED IN A SCIF, and somebody would have had to have scrubbed the marks and pulled it out of the air-gapped system.

One more time: Tell me you don't know anything about classified material without telling me you don't know anything about classified material.

In the meantime: Keep flying that Hypocrisy Freak Flag, just like I said you would.

Hillary wasn't the only one to keep her own server, Colin Powell did too,and Rice, IIRC. Some of the classified info wasn't classified until after it was sent to her. Here's a review from someone who read the FBI report, seems level headed.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I remember Powell's server; he never had material like that on it.

TK data (stands for Talent Keyhole, by the way) is NEVER not marked classified. It's NEVER shared outside of a SCIF.

Never. Somebody - either Hillary! Herself or someone else with access - removed that material (illegal) from the SCIF and removed the classification marks. This defense of "I didn't know that these sat photos weren't classified" is ludicrous on its face.

The democratic party is united behind Biden. Even AOC and Bernie have endorsed his reelection.

Quibble. AOC and Bernie are united against Trump, and likely Desantis. I doubt either would have Biden as their first choice. They just realize the alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

I remember when I was proud to say I was a Republican. The Party has so lost its way, it is unrecognizable to me today. I'm sure there is someone somewhere within the Party that makes some sense, but he/she isn't in any spotlight. He/she is swamped by, well, the Swamp that is Republican effluent and nonsense. Which is a tragedy, because our system functions better if there is a credible opposition party. Until the nonsense abates, I don't even have to think about my vote anymore. It's just "D" at this point. Never thought I'd say that, but there it is. I hope that can change within my lifetime, but I'm not optimistic. Republicans just seem to double-down on the absurd. Which, when one looks at their sources for information, isn't really surprising. For every BHM, there appears to be 10000 "dittoheads" ranting and raving. (We may not agree on a lot of things, but at least we can have a conversation with BHM and a few others.)

I care as much as the left cared about Bill Clinton desecrating the Oval Office.

How did he do that? If you mean "Monica Lewinsky", you're right. Don't care. Just as I don't care whom Trump cheats on Melania with. It's not a crime to cheat on your wife, and that's between them. If you mean something else, then what? For the record, I never voted for Bill. But he is the last POTUS that ever run a budget surplus.

Well, you can keep on hoping, so far the American people are shaking their heads, like what?

It's not obsession. Bill soiling Monica's dress is no comparison to the crimes Trump is accused of. I'm sure if the table were turned, and it was -let's say- Obama, you'd be leading the charge to "lock him up". Setting aside policy differences, I think all Americans should be outraged that a POTUS (or ex-POTUS) could be guilty of any of the things Trump is indicted for, much less all of them.

Obsession is the continued pursuit of HRC after she's already been cleared. Bill Barr had four years to go after her, the Republican congress had at least 5 hearings/inquiries, and the end result was zilch. And she was never POTUS, and is retired from public life. But, hey, if you can get her for a crime, more power to you. No one should be above the law, so make the charge and schedule the trial. Of course, you'll lose because the Republicans already tried that and couldn't get enough to charge her with anything.

As for Biden, if he's committed a crime then charge him. His son has pleaded guilty, but Joe is not his son. If Joe was an accessory, or committed some other crime, he should pay the piper. But so far no one has anything. So your insistence on referring to the "Biden crime family" is meaningless.

As I said, if not Trump, another worthy Republican will be elected President.

If the polling continues as it is, Trump will be the nominee. I don't mean to sound offensive, but I don't see how any thinking American can vote for him. I get being frustrated and angry, but Trump can only harm this nation. He did give the right-wing the SCOTUS, but he also alienated our allies, made us weaker, was a gift to Putin, and -despite having a Republican congress- got very little else done. Which I consider fortunate, since he could have gotten a LOT done that I would have hated. Even McConnell couldn't work with him, and I despise McConnell. And I'm skipping the economics because that was complicated by COVID, though I could blast him on his handling of COVID.

Hillary wasn't the only one to keep her own server, Colin Powell did too,and Rice, IIRC. - Lapsody

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IIRC, John McCain could be added to your list.

Regardless, you are using the old worn out argument of, "My guy's bad behavior should be ignored because your guy did it too." Poor way to run a country. I say, prosecute them all.

I don't even have to think about my vote anymore. It's just "D" at this point

I vote for who I believe is the better candidate for the position one is running for, not along party lines. I can think and decide for myself.
I won't vote for the witch hunt candidates while America flounders aimlessly.

Remember Afghanistan!

As I said, if not Trump, another worthy Republican will be elected President. - LM

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The more I hear from Vivek Ramaswamy, the more I like him and his message. Since DeSantis is slipping, there is some hope that Ramaswamy can slip into the number 2 spot behind Trump. If the Republican Primary came down to a choice between those two, I would vote Ramaswamy.

It's not obsession. Bill soiling Monica's dress is no comparison to the crimes Trump is accused of. I'm sure if the table were turned, and it was -let's say- Obama, you'd be leading the charge to "lock him up". Setting aside policy differences, I think all Americans should be outraged that a POTUS (or ex-POTUS) could be guilty of any of the things Trump is indicted for, much less all of them.

What Trump supposedly did while a private citizen is none of my business. If it proven though he committed crimes while a private citizen, then he should do the time, same as anyone else.

What Bill Clinton did with Monica is (our) my business. Clinton was elected by the American voters to serve as our President, not to be spending his time dilly dallying around even while on the phone discussing the fate of our men and women in uniform.
Don't forget Paula Jones, a flight attendant, a former Miss America, who knows who else while Clinton was serving as our President.

He did give the right-wing the SCOTUS, but he also alienated our allies, made us weaker, was a gift to Putin, and -despite having a Republican congress- got very little else done.

Russia, China, NKorea etc were quiet little mice while Trump was President. NKorea stopped with their missile launches after meeting with Trump, Lord only knows what he said to Kim what would happen if he continued. Now these Countries and their President walk all over Biden.

Trumps list of accomplishments, but then came covid.

ECONOMIC OPTIMISM

- 95% OF U.S. manufacturers optimistic about the future ' highest rate ever recorded

- consumer confidence at an all-time high

- small business confidence at an all-time high

- stock market at an all-time high

JOB CREATION / RECORD HIGH EMPLOYMENT / RECORD LOW UNEMPLOYMENT

- almost 4 million jobs created!

- > 400,000 manufacturing jobs created (Manufacturing jobs growing at fastest rate in more than 30 years)

- more Americans employed than ever before in U.S. History

- unemployment claims hit a 49-year low

- African American unemployment ' lowest rate ever recorded

- Hispanic-American unemployment ' lowest rate ever recorded

- Asian-American unemployment ' lowest rate ever recorded

- Women's unemployment ' lowest rate in 65 years

- Youth unemployment ' lowest rate in almost 50 years

- unemployment for people w/o a high school diploma ' lowest rate ever

- Veterans' unemployment ' lowest rate in almost 20 years

ECONOMIC GROWTH

- hit 4.2% in one quarter

- retail sales surged over previous years, including highest ever holiday sales in 2019

- sales of new single-family homes up 31.9% over previous year in October 2019 (More families able to build and buy their own homes.)

HIGHEST EVER MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME

- 3.9 million Americans lifted off food stamps

- The 25% lowest-paid Americans enjoyed a 4.5% income boost in Nov. 2019, outpacing the 2.9% gain in earnings by the nation's highest paid workers.

- The poverty rate fell to a 17-year low of 11.8% due to a jobs-rich environment

TAX CUTS

- Signed biggest package of tax cuts in U.S. history

- $300 billion poured back into economy in the first quarter after cuts

- Small businesses have lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years

MINORITY ADVANCEMENTS

- Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels since the U.S. began collecting data

- President Trump's historic tax cut legislation included new Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities across the country

- 8,764 communities across the country have been designated as Opportunity Zones

- Opportunity Zones are expected to spur $100 billion in long-term private capital investment in economically distressed communities across the country

- As mentioned above, unemployment at an all-time low for African-Americans, Hispanics, and Asians

LGBT ADVANCEMENTS

- Appointed five openly gay U.S. ambassadors

- Trump ordered Ric Grenell, his openly gay ambassador to Germany, to lead a global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe

- Appointed the first openly-gay person to a cabinet-level position

EDUCATION

- Directed the Education Secretary to end Common Core

- Called on Congress to pass school choice legislation so that no child is trapped in a failing school because of his or her zip code

- Signed legislation in September 2018 that increased funding for school choice by $42 million

- The tax cuts signed into law by President Trump promote school choice by allowing families to use 529 college savings plans for elementary and secondary education

- As part of the Pledge to America's Workers, increased vocational training to 4 million people

- Signed the first Perkins CTE reauthorization since 2006, authorizing more than $1 billion annually for states to fund vocational and career education programs

- Issued executive order expanding apprenticeship opportunities for students and workers

- Created a White House position for a director of HCBUs (Historically Black Colleges and Universities)

- Increased funding for HBCUs by 14%.

ENERGY POLICY

- Approved the Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines

- Opened ANWR

- U.S. oil production reached an all-time high, surpassing Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world's largest oil producer

- Increased coal exports by 60%

- U.S. became a net neutral natural gas exporter for first time since 1957

- Cancelled the anti-coal Clean Power Plan

HEALTHCARE

- Eliminated the individual mandate penalty of Obamacare.

- Provided more affordable healthcare options through association health plans and short-term duration plans.

- Enacted 'right-to-try' legislation to allow terminally ill patients to try therapeutic treatments as advised by their physicians.

- Signed an executive order forcing healthcare providers to disclose the cost of services to enable consumers to comparison shop, saying no American should be blindsided by bills they did not agree to in advance

- Signed an order allowing small businesses to group together to negotiate better insurance rates for their employees

- Signed the Preventing Maternal Deaths Act to help states develop maternal fatality reviews with an emphasis on reducing the higher maternal mortality rate for African- Americans

PHARMACEUTICALS

- Trump's FDA approved a record number of affordable generic drugs

- Signed a bill legalizing hemp and CBD oil

- Signed a law ending the gag order on pharmacists that prevented them from sharing cost-saving information

- Persuaded many drug companies to freeze or reverse planned price increases

- Reformed Medicare to prevent hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors for drugs, saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars annually

- Signed a law allowing some drug imports from Canada to reduce prescription costs

- Agreed to provide HIV prevention drugs for free to 200,000 uninsured patients per year for 11 years

OPIOIDS

- Secured $6 billion in new funding to fight the epidemic

- Helped to reduce opioid prescriptions by 16% during first year in office

DEFENSE

- Secured $700 billion in military funding.

- Encouraged NATO allies to contribute more to their own defense ($69+ billion since 2016)

- Established the Space Force as the 6th branch of our military

- Issued an executive order to keep Guantanamo Bay open

JUDICIAL IMPACT

- Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other first term administration

- Confirmed two conservative justices to the Supreme Court: Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh

VETERANS

- Signed the VA Choice Act

- Signed the VA Accountability Act

- Expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in clinics, same-day, urgent, primary, and mental healthcare

- Created the White House VA Hotline and staffed it with veterans

- Held VA civil servants accountable for past misconduct by removing, demoting, or suspending 4,000 employees

- Trump signed measure funding prevention programs for Veteran suicide

REGULATORY REFORM

- Eliminated a record number of regulations

- Enacted regulatory relief for credit unions and community banks

INTERNATIONAL

- Secured bid for 2028 Summer Olympics 2028 in Los Angeles

- Secured bid for World Cup 2026 (U.S.-Mexico-Canada united)

- Withdrew the U.S. from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord

- Withdrew from Obama's horrible Iran Deal

- Moved the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem

- Replaced NAFTA for better trade deal with Canada and Mexico

- Reached agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports

- Imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports for U.S. security purposes

- Protected Americans from terrorism by restricting individuals traveling from known terror centers (ban upheld by the Supreme Court)

- Improved vetting and screening of refugees

- Companies have brought back over a TRILLION dollars from overseas because of the TCJA bill that Trump signed.

- Reigned in China on technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and abusive trade practices

- Increased net U.S. exports by $59+ billion annually

- Imposed sanctions on the socialists in Venezuela who have killed their citizens

- Finalized new trade agreement with South Korea

- Made a deal with the European Union to increase U.S. energy exports to Europe

- Withdrew the U.S. from the job killing TPP deal

- Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China and $12 billion in Vietnam

- Had over a dozen US hostages freed, including those Obama could not get freed

- Secured a historic deal between Israel and the UAE to advance peace and prosperity in the region

ENVIRONMENT

- Signed the biggest wilderness protection and conservation bill in a decade. It creates five national monuments, expands several national parks, adds 1.3 million acres of wilderness, and permanently reauthorizes the Land and Water Conservation Fund

- Signed the Save Our Seas Act to fund plastic and garbage clean-up in the oceans

- U.S. still leads the world in having the largest reduction in Carbon emissions, despite refusing to sign the climate accord

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

- Reinforced the U.S.-Mexican border

- Issued an executive order in June 2018 to end separation of families at the U.S.-Mexican border (the 'caging' and separation began under the previous administration)

- Secured billions to fund the building of a wall at our southern border; construction underway.

NATIVE AMERICAN RELATIONS

- Enacted legislation to compensate the Spokane tribe for loss of lands in the early 1900s

- Enacted legislation to fund Native American language programs

- Enacted legislation to give federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Montana

CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM

- Enacted the First Step Act, which:

- Overhauls sentencing, mandatory-minimums, and early-release programs to reduce mass incarceration

- Lowers recidivism by offering more rehab and job-training opportunities in prisons

- Includes provisions for more humane treatment of inmates

- Mandates that inmates be housed within 500 miles of their homes

- Over 90% of those benefitting from the retroactive sentencing guidelines are African Americans

- President Trump received the Bipartisan Justice Award at a traditionally black college for his work in judicial reform.

- The Trump Administration is promoting second chance hiring to give former inmates the opportunity to live crime-free lives and find meaningful employment.

- Trump's DOJ and the Board of Prisons launched a new 'Ready to Work Initiative' to help connect employers directly with former inmates

ANTI-TERRORISM

- Defeated the ISIS caliphate in Iraq and Syria in March 2019

- Took out ISIS leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the world's most-wanted terrorist

HUMAN TRAFFICKING

- Gave law enforcement and victims new tools to fight sex trafficking by signing FOSTA and SESTA into law

- Through Trump's Anti-Trafficking Coordination Team (ACTeam) initiative, Federal law enforcement more than doubled convictions of human traffickers and increased the number of defendants charged by 75% in ACTeam districts.

- Trump's OMB published new anti-trafficking guidance for government procurement officials to more effectively combat human trafficking

- Trump's Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations arrested 1,588 criminals associated with Human Trafficking

- Trump's Department of Health and Human Services provided funding to support the National Human Trafficking Hotline to identify perpetrators and give victims the help they need. The hotline identified 16,862 potential human trafficking cases.

- Trump's DOJ provided grants to organizations that support victims of human trafficking ' serving nearly 9,000 cases from July 1, 2017, to June 30, 2018

- The Department of Homeland Security has hired more victim assistance specialists, helping victims get resources and support

ANIMAL CRUELTY

- Enacted legislation to make animal cruelty a federal felony so that abusers face tougher consequences.

RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

- Issued an Executive Order prohibiting the U.S. government from discriminating against Christians or punishing expressions of faith

- Signed an executive order that allows the government to withhold money from college campuses deemed to be anti-Semitic and who fail to combat anti-Semitism

INFRASTRUCTURE

- The Trump administration allocated $100 million through the EPA to fix the water infrastructure problem in Flint, MI.

- Trump's USDA committed $124 Million to rebuild rural water infrastructure.

PRO-LIFE

- President Trump ordered a halt to U.S. tax money going to international organizations that fund or perform abortions.

- President Trump is the first president so committed to the pro-life cause that he spoke at the March for Life.

FARMING & AGRICULTURE

- Approved up to $12 billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation.

WELFARE REFORM

- Signed welfare reform requiring able-bodied adults who don't have children to work or look for work if they're on welfare.

CHILDREN

- Signed the most comprehensive childhood cancer legislation ever into law, which will advance childhood cancer research and improve treatments.

- The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act signed into law by Trump doubled the maximum amount of the child tax credit available to parents and lifted the income limits so more people could claim it. It also created a new tax credit for other dependents.

- In 2018, President Trump signed into law a $2.4 billion funding increase for the Child Care and Development Fund, providing a total of $8.1 billion to States to fund childcare for low-income families. The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit (CDCTC) signed into law by Trump provides a tax credit equal to 20-35% of childcare expenses, $3,000 per child & $6,000 per family + Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs) allow you to set aside up to $5,000 in pre-tax $ to use for childcare.

- Signed the Autism Collaboration, Accountability, Research, Education and Support Act (CARES) into law in 2019. It allocates $1.8 billion in funding over the next five years to help people with autism spectrum disorder and their families.

MISCELLANEOUS

- Signed a bill requiring airports to provide a place for mothers to breastfeed children

- Signed the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund into law

- Signed the Music Modernization Act, the biggest change to copyright law in decades

- Signed legislation for a National Suicide Hotline with a 3-digit number (a Utah idea!)

- Signed into law two funding packages providing nearly $19 million in new funding for Lupus-specific research and education programs, and an additional $41.7 billion in funding for the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the most Lupus funding EVER

- Signed the first major anti-robocall law in decades called the TRACED Act (Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence) to extend the period of time the FCC has to catch those who intentionally break telemarketing restrictions. The bill also requires voice service providers to develop a framework to verify calls are legitimate before they reach your phone.

COVID-19 RESPONSE

- Created a White House Coronavirus Task Force to coordinate a national response, then named Vice President Mike Pence to chair the effort

- Declared a national emergency, thereby opening up nearly $50 billion in funding

- Signed legislation securing $8.3 billion for coronavirus response

- Signed legislation to support families and businesses impacted by the virus

- Required reporting from state and private labs to give public health officials the data they need

- Maintained frequent communication with state governors through teleconferences and other means to provide support and coordinate response

- Approved major disaster declarations for states as needed

- Recommended mitigation strategies for heavily impacted communities in New York, Washington, and California

- Waived federal testing requirements to states that have had to close schools

- Restricted travel from China in January, then from Europe, the United Kingdom and Ireland, and Iran in March

- Raised travel warnings to the highest level for hot spot locations like Japan and South Korea

- Urged Americans to avoid international travel through a global level 4 travel advisory

- Routed Americans returning from 'hotspots' to specific airports for screening and possible quarantine

- Expanded airport screenings and instituted mandatory quarantines as necessary

- Restricted non-essential travel across our northern and southern borders

- Announced that we can no longer detain illegal immigrants in our holding facilities and will immediately return them either to the country they entered from or to their country of origin

- Issued emergency FDA approval for new coronavirus tests

- Secured legislation so that Americans can be tested for free

- Worked with partners to open up drive-through testing sites

- Worked with the private sector to develop a website that Americans can use to determine whether they need a test and, if so, where to get it

- Provided funding to speed the development of rapid diagnostic tests

- Cut red tape at the FDA to expand available testing

- Empowered states to use tests developed and used by laboratories in their states

- Set up 15 Department of Defense coronavirus testing sites worldwide

- Airlifted hundreds of thousands of swabs and sample test kits from Italy

- Consulted with business leaders on the front lines, including the pharmaceutical industry, airlines, health insurers, grocery and retail stores, banks, and others

- Announced disaster loans for impacted businesses and relaxed loan criteria to make them

- available to more businesses

- Approved the establishment of the Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility to provide liquidity to the financial system

- Negotiated for tax credits to some businesses that offer their employees paid leave

- Increased flexibility in unemployment insurance programs

- Moved Tax Day from April 15 to July 15

- Purchased crude oil for the strategic reserve

- Announced up to $100 million in dislocated worker grants

- Signed legislation to get emergency nutritional aid to senior citizens, women, children, and low-income families

- Cut red tape at the USDA to allow meal service during school closures

- Worked with the private sector to deliver nearly a million meals a week to students in rural schools closed due to the coronavirus

- Halted foreclosures and evictions for families with FHA-insured mortgages

- Signed legislation to provide continuity in educational benefits for veterans

- Allowed colleges and universities to more easily move their classes online

- Set a 0% interest rate on all federally held student loans and allowed borrowers to suspend payments on those loans for at least two months

- The coronavirus task force holds press conferences nearly every day to provide Americans with the latest information

- Issued guidelines for Americans to follow and do their part to stem the spread of the virus

- Launched coronavirus.gov to keep the public informed about the outbreak

- Launched a partnership to provide public services announcements

- The President donated his fourth-quarter 2019 salary to coronavirus response efforts

- Deployed two Naval medical ships to support impacted areas

- Issued guidance to protect vulnerable elderly Americans and limit visits to nursing homes

- Worked to limit nonessential, elective medical procedures to free up healthcare resources

- Authorized HHS to waive regulations in order to give healthcare providers maximum flexibility to respond to the outbreak

- Allowed Medicare Advantage and Part D plans to waive cost-sharing for tests and treatment

- Created new billing codes for coronavirus tests to improve tracking

- Coordinated the effort to release a machine-readable collection of 29,000 coronavirus-related research articles, to help scientists discover insights to virus' genetics, incubation, treatment, symptoms, and prevention

- Announced that health plans with health savings accounts will be able to cover coronavirus testing and treatment without co-payments

- Expanded telehealth for Medicare beneficiaries, ensuring more patients can access their doctors remotely

- Lifted HIPAA penalties to enable healthcare providers to expand telehealth access for patients

- Established 19 VA emergency operations centers and placed restrictions on visitation to limit patients' exposure

- Announced that Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for hospitals to use for non-coronavirus patients

- Invoked the Defense Production Act

- Signed a memorandum to make general-use face masks available to healthcare workers

- Announced the purchase of 500 million respirators

- Announced that the Department of Defense will provide 5 million respirator masks and 2,000 specialized ventilators

- Signed legislation allowing manufacturers to sell industrial masks directly to hospitals

- Announced the beginning of a clinical trial for a coronavirus vaccine

- Worked across sectors to accelerate the development of treatments and a coronavirus vaccine

- Directed the FDA to evaluate existing drugs that could serve as potential treatment for coronavirus patients

- Expanded research and consulting with experts to better understand the transmission of coronavirus

- Worked with drug manufacturers to monitor potential drug supply chain issues

Biden's accomplishments

Bidenflation, open borders

Until the nonsense abates, I don't even have to think about my vote anymore. It's just "D" at this point. Never thought I'd say that, but there it is.

Interesting. I say the same thing in reverse: The democrats have embraced socialism, racialist rhetoric that is designed to divide the country, are incompetent at governing, and endorse disastrous policies that Do. Not. Work. and in fact fail every time they try.

There's only a 0.00001% chance I'll ever vote for any democrat unless there's no one else on the ballot and my vote is cast to prevent a lunatic from being elected.

The more I hear from Vivek Ramaswamy, the more I like him and his message. Since DeSantis is slipping, there is some hope that Ramaswamy can slip into the number 2 spot behind Trump. If the Republican Primary came down to a choice between those two, I would vote Ramaswamy.

I like him too. He is on the Trump track, put America first and against the WOKE nonsense.

https://www.vivek2024.com/

"My guy's bad behavior should be ignored because your guy did it too." Poor way to run a country.

I agree. It's the logical fallacy "butwhataboutism" (colloquially).

I say, prosecute them all.

Again, agree. If there's a case to be made. I believe Republicans and Bill Barr dug deeply into it, and found there was nothing actionable (HRC). One cannot argue that Bill Barr is a liberal giving a fellow liberal a pass. So, apparently, there was nothing actionable. In the case of Trump, there is at least enough to get indictments. Getting convictions has yet to be seen. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. We'll see.

I vote for who I believe is the better candidate for the position one is running for, not along party lines.

That used to be me, also. But now the better candidate (at least in Arizona) is consistently the "D". I can't speak for your state. Not that all the D-candidates are great (I'm looking at you, Sinema), but leaps and bounds better than the alternatives I'm offered.

As I said, I hope that changes in my lifetime. But I'm not optimistic. The Republican Party continues to spiral down into the cesspool (calling it a "swamp" is an insult to swamps). Heck, the R-candidate for governor insisted (and still insists) that both she and Trump won their elections, even though it was clear they didn't. Even their shady recounters couldn't come up with the votes to swing the election (in Arizona).

Interesting. I say the same thing in reverse: The democrats have embraced socialism, racialist rhetoric that is designed to divide the country, are incompetent at governing, and endorse disastrous policies that Do. Not. Work. and in fact fail every time they try.

I also find it interesting. LM apparently was a Dem campaigner previously, and switched. I don't know the age of either of you, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't because of the Southern Strategy (i.e. you'd have to be my parents' age, and I don't think you are). I was never (and never plan to be) a campaigner. I switched because I was shown the error of my ways. It took time. I almost didn't vote for Obama the first time, but after some long conversations about health care, I was convinced. It sorta still rubs me the wrong way (old habits, etc), but intellectually I know it is an overall benefit to society. So I support it.

That's something we can discuss, especially if we leave behind the invectives and just talk. As if we were having lunch somewhere.

You weren't specific about policies, so I can't really comment further. I know school busing worked, while it lasted. To my knowledge that was a democratic initiative, and -as predicted- it directed white money to black schools to equalize them. That is, the parents' money followed their kids, and the impoverished schools improved. Though I'm sure it wasn't perfect. Nothing ever is. And I mentioned health care above.

But I can start with a current topic: tax cuts. Yes, we probably need to start a new thread since that's not "TOP SECRET". The Republicans' mantra is "tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts". They believe the Laffer curve (among others), and the believe it tells us that if you cut taxes you end up with more revenue because you stimulate more economic activity. That's been since at least Reagan. It has yet to prove correct. Every time a POTUS does a major tax cut, the deficit goes UP.

But I can start with a current topic: tax cuts. Yes, we probably need to start a new thread since that's not "TOP SECRET". The Republicans' mantra is "tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts". They believe the Laffer curve (among others), and the believe it tells us that if you cut taxes you end up with more revenue because you stimulate more economic activity. That's been since at least Reagan. It has yet to prove correct. Every time a POTUS does a major tax cut, the deficit goes UP.

Agree, this is another topic, so I'll be brief.

The Laffer curve is predicated on the question, "Where is the point in the economy where the avaialble capital generates to most economic return?" It's not meant to predict any kind of deficit.

Rather, it's built on the classic equation from Macroeconomics:

Y (GDP, or national income) = C (consumption spending) + I (investment) + G (Government spending) + (X-M) (Exports - Imports)

Consumer spending (consumption) is roughly 2/3rds of GDP.
Laffer's notion was, what's the relative impact of G vs. C. If C is 2/3rds of GDP, then increasing C at the expense of G applies capital more broadly into the national economy, providing a stimulus.

Deficits aren't part of that.

Interesting. I say the same thing in reverse: The democrats have embraced socialism, racialist rhetoric that is designed to divide the country, are incompetent at governing, and endorse disastrous policies that Do. Not. Work. and in fact fail every time they try

I think if you look, you'll find that some Dems have embraced that a blend of socialism and democratic regulated capitalism is the best for the happiness of the people and look to the Nordic countries as examples of success. Like 1pg I was conservative. I remember sitting in a conference on Japanese internment during WW2. I knew about the internment of our Japanese, but didn't know we let Peru and other Latin American countries ship their Japanese to our internment camps. And after the war, Peru didn't want them, so they were shipped to Japan, where they were not wanted and abuse by the Japanese. That was about the time I began shifting away from Conservativism.

Dems don't have the equivalent of RINO, which is rhetoric designed to divide. Look at the country now, is it failing? If you are honest, it isn't - far from it. And when someone says "endorse disastrous policies that Do. Not. Work. and in fact fail every time they try" they are just engaging in divisive meaningless rhetoric. And I see intelligent commentary that addresses all your complaints and it never phases you in the slightest.

When I first got to the Philippines I was honest with my friends about the USA, that we have a racist core that is not small and it's just below the surface most of the time. It gets votes, so it's pandered to. I kept going back to these two quotes to illustrate.

You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger''that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstract. Now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.' 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' Lee Atwater 1981


'If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.'
― Lyndon B. Johnson

That was about the time I began shifting away from Conservativism.

That would have been under FDR and Truman, neither of whom were conservative Republicans.

. And when someone says "endorse disastrous policies that Do. Not. Work. and in fact fail every time they try" they are just engaging in divisive meaningless rhetoric.

Sorry, but accurately pointing out that

-Defunding police leads to more crime
-Feckless foreign policy leads to more conflict and chaos abroad
-Projecting weakness instead of strength leads to thugs like Putin invading Ukraine and an aggressive China
-An open border leads to more crime and more chaos in border towns plus an unsustainable social burden
-Reckless spending leads to inflation

'I could do this all day. If you don't want to debate this efficacy of all those and instead want to paint all Republicans with 40 year old quotes, then that's just playing games intended to divide.

Since you brought up LBJ, here's a quote for you: I'll have those n-wordsvoting democrat for 200 years.

Weaving together two threads:

Dope1: Interesting. I say the same thing in reverse: The democrats have embraced socialism...


Well, went away for the day to LurkerMom land, Wisconsin, to see Regina Spektor at the Riverside Theater in Milwaukee. She said she had the jitters and wanted to start her set by performing an acapella version of Shalom Aleichem -- which traditionally is sung as the family gathers around the table on Friday night to welcome the 'angels of peace'. She thought the traditional song might calm her nerves. But the audience assured her she could do no wrong, and she sang and played and chatted as she always does in concert: beautifully, whimsically. She emigrated to the United States as a child, fleeing religious persecution. See her live, if she's in your neck of the woods. If not, I included a few links to her performances below.

Back home today, though, and there's this absurd litany of nonsense.

No, democrats do not embrace socialism any more than republicans; that's part of the tried and true republican effort to scare voters into opposing the Democratic ticket and supporting their candidates by weaponizing socialism. A Republican president and Republicans eagerly passed the CARES Act to aid businesses and flood households and firms with cash during the coronavirus pandemic.

Republicans have adopted what amounts to a values-based socialism where the government seeks to control the corporate ethics and decision-making capabilities of businesses, telling them exactly how to run their businesses; the DeSantis feud with Disney, for example.

Tucker Carlson called for Google to be regulated like a public utility.

Republicans love farm subsidies and they love fossil fuel subsidies.

In short, Republicans embrace socialism.


Dope1..., racialist rhetoric that is designed to divide the country...

Sorry, but pointing out racism is not something "designed to divide the country". You condemn racism and racists or your silence is approval.


Dope1: ...are incompetent at governing...

Incompetent at governing? What color is the sky in your world?

Biden often seeks bipartisanship and has achieved it several critical times in his highly successful first term. Bipartisan Biden achieved so much on infrastructure, lower prescription drugs, job creation, economic growth, lifting the debt ceiling, and other critical matters, including bringing America successfully through the pandemic and rebuilding the America economy.


Dope1: ...endorse disastrous policies that Do. Not. Work. and in fact fail every time they try.

Umm.

-- Over 13 million jobs created since the Biden took office.

-- A historically low unemployment rate of 3.7%, and an unemployment rate below 4 percent for the longest period since the 1960s.

-- The highest labor market participation rate for women since the BLS series began in 1948.

-- More than 35,000 projects already funded and underway in communities across the country.

-- Inflation fell to 3%.

Then consider the Chips and Science Act, the PACT Act, gun safety legislation, his first year GDP growth doubled Trump's, the most small business applications ever, lower prescription drug prices, and unless you're a Trump cultist or a blind partisan hack, you've gotta' admit Biden and the democrats know how to govern.

Now that's not to say everything was peaches and cream but your assertions are childish and false.


Dope1:
-Defunding police leads to more crime

First, no one has defunded the police, although many cities have smaller police departments.

Second, did that lead to higher crime rates? No, just the opposite: crime rates are down: levels of nearly all offenses are lower, or have changed little, in the first six months of 2023 compared with the same period in 2022. The only notable exception is an increase in motor vehicle theft.

A similar dynamic of smaller departments and falling crime has also played out in Philadelphia, which had about 5,800 officers at the end of last year, more than 700 fewer than in 2019. The city saw homicides decline more than 20 percent and has spent millions of dollars in overtime.

In Minneapolis, whose homicide data is not included in the council's report, violent crime is also down substantially, and the department has about 300 fewer officers than in 2019. To maintain the reductions in crime, the department has said it would focus its limited resources this summer on crime hot spots in the city.


Dope1:
-Feckless foreign policy leads to more conflict and chaos abroad

Feckless? How so?

Biden rebuilt NATO and reestablished America's leadership role in the world.

And what, you'd rather have a presidential candidate begging a foreign adversary for help against his political opponent, or your president exclaiming his love for murderous dictators or extorting a foreign head of state? Trump praised Kim Jong Un and Kim Jong Un test launched a new solid-fueled medium-range ballistic missile, the Pukguksong-2, tested ER SCUD medium range ballistic missiles, tested its RD-250 liquid-fueled rocket engine, test launched an intermediate range ballistic missile, flight tested an intercontinental ballistic missile for the first time, flight tested an inter-continental ballistic missile for the second time.

Trump threatened Jong Un with "fire and fury like the world has never seen" and North Korea test launched an intermediate range ballistic missile and conducted its sixth nuclear test. Jung Un calls Trump a "mentally deranged U.S. dotard". Kim Jong-un declared "victory" in developing nuclear weapons, ICBMs, and the ability to mount nuclear warheads on ballistic missiles.

So, yeah, chaos abroad... that was Trump's brand.


Dope1: -Projecting weakness instead of strength leads to thugs like Putin invading Ukraine...

Umm. Right. Gotta' love these Republican Putin apologists blaming America for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.


Dope1:
-An open border leads to more crime and more chaos in border towns plus an unsustainable social burden

Umm. Illegal border crossings dropped to the lowest level in over two years in June, the first full month under Biden's new, restrictive asylum rule, which makes it much harder to attain asylum.

And U.S. border communities that reported crimes to the FBI found they have lower violent crime and homicide rates than the national average. On average, the eight cities ' Brownsville, McAllen, Laredo, Eagle Pass and El Paso in Texas, Sunland Park in New Mexico, Yuma in Arizona, and San Diego ' had a violent crime rate of 333.6 per 100,000 residents, compared to 388.57 for the national average. Yuma was the only community near the border in 2021 that had violent crime and murder rates higher than the national average. Some border cities like McAllen, Texas, a city of 144,000, had a particularly low violent crime rate of 180.2 per 100,000 people.


Dope1: -Reckless spending leads to inflation

Easily dispelled: the United States has the lowest inflation rate of the G-7 countries except Canada. Germany, Italy and the UK have inflation rates more than twice as high as the U.S.


Regina Spektor Live on KEXP (sonically superior to the Tiny Desk Concert): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idyLODRdztc

Regina Spektor's Tiny Desk Concert (nicely captures her live performance): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq5inG547JA

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/us/crime-data-h...

No, democrats do not embrace socialism any more than republicans

When posts are opened with mendacious, gaslighting lies, there's no need to go further. Glad you had fun at your concert.

Umm. Illegal border crossings dropped to the lowest level in over two years in June, the first full month under Biden's new, restrictive asylum rule, which makes it much harder to attain asylum.

Oh sure, but how many millions of illegal aliens are already in America since Biden's open border policy? I've lost count of how many millions.

'BIDEN'S BORDER CRISIS IS THE WORST IN AMERICAN HISTORY
HIS POLICIES CONTINUE TO MAKE IT WORSE'

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017f-d8bd-d522-...

By the way, didn't you say you live in a Chicago suburb?

'Chicago residents sound off on illegal immigrants in neighborhood: 'They disrespect us, rob us, harass us'
Woodlawn residents told city officials they were fed up with migrants partying and drug dealing'

One resident said at the meeting, 'We're gonna take over. Nobody is gonna be able to stop us from what we're gonna to do them.'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-residents-so...

Thanks for the links, she does have a nice singing voice.
Milwaukee has gone the way of Chicago. Hope you had a safe visit.

Oh and by the way Chicago and NYC, keep voting for democrats, you will reap what you vote, less police protection, more illegal aliens, more crime....

Oh and by the way Chicago and NYC, keep voting for democrats, you will reap what you vote, less police protection, more illegal aliens, more crime....
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White Liberals won't care...... unless these constituencies come to the exclusive Liberal areas.

So hoping it happens and becomes normal.

Someone needs to teach the oppressed - where the real money is

LurkerMom: 'BIDEN'S BORDER CRISIS IS THE WORST IN AMERICAN HISTORY
HIS POLICIES CONTINUE TO MAKE IT WORSE'

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017f-d8bd-d522-...

Umm, that report is more than a year old and the data are from FY2021 and the beginning of FY2022. IOW, way out of date. I wrote about statistics from June 2023.

And perhaps you're unaware that your hero, Trump, was a failure at removing "illegal aliens already in America".

Although Trump succeeded in cutting legal immigration, he oversaw the collapse of interior immigration enforcement. In 2020, the removal of illegal immigrants from the interior of the United States was the lowest as an absolute number and as a share of the illegal immigration population since ICE was created in 2003.


LurkerMom: https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-residents-so...

Okay, I watched that Fox video and the main complaints and accusations were loitering, "partying" in the street at night, prostitution, and one fist fight. That's right, one fist fight. Some residents also thought money should be spent on improving the neighborhood before helping migrants. Basically, the most common argument was NIMBY.


LurkerMom: Milwaukee has gone the way of Chicago. Hope you had a safe visit.

Chicago's a pretty nice city with much to offer in terms of employment, cultural attractions, restaurants, sports, education, and the lake front. And quite safe. Do crazy things happen occasionally? Absolutely. But not often.

We went to the Milwaukee Art Museum in the afternoon. Very nice. Beautiful views of the lake from inside. Small compared with the Art Institute of Chicago but some nice pieces and considerably fewer people. Currently, the AIC has a very fine "Van Gogh and the Avant-Garde: The Modern Landscape" exhibition which wasn't terribly crowded (during members only hour) but the closing weekend of its Salvador Dalí "Salvador Dalí: The Image Disappears" exhibition was wall to wall people. Had dinner at a local restaurant a couple of blocks from the theater. Even watched fireworks at night on the drive home (not sure what the city was celebrating).

In short, Milwaukee's fine but I would never live in a state whose voters would elect Ron Johnson to the senate. That guy's a moron.

LurkerMom: Oh and by the way Chicago and NYC, keep voting for democrats, you will reap what you vote, less police protection, more illegal aliens, more crime....

Chicago's per-capita murder rate is lower than Milwaukee's.

Though cities like New York and Chicago have had more murders so far this year and get more national media attention for crime, the homicide rate in Milwaukee is higher, at around 29 per 100,000 residents. New York's homicide rate is around 4 per 100,000; Chicago's is roughly 20.

Although Trump succeeded in cutting legal immigration, he oversaw the collapse of interior immigration enforcement. In 2020, the removal of illegal immigrants from the interior of the United States was the lowest as an absolute number and as a share of the illegal immigration population since ICE was created in 2003. - CO

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As if the big city democrats falling all over one another to declare their city as a a sanctuary had nothing to do with it. Ask NYC Mayor Eric Adams how that is working out for him?

As if the big city democrats falling all over one another to declare their city as a a sanctuary had nothing to do with it. Ask NYC Mayor Eric Adams how that is working out for him?

Like I said. One mendacious lie after another.
What Mr. Irrelevant Factoid Pants On Fire doesn't admit - probably because he doesn't know - is that all these blue cities proudly said they'd stop working with ICE.

See how democrat bad acting allows him to lie with a straight face? I'm done with people like this.

<I.Umm, that report is more than a year old and the data are from FY2021 and the beginning of FY2022. IOW, way out of date. I wrote about statistics from June 2023.

You were bragging illegal border crossings were at a lowest level in over two years June 2023.
Well woopido! What about the millions and millions of illegal alien crossings, not to mention the million plus 'gottaways' happening before the last month. Who know what low class human beings these 'gottaways' are.
So yes, the year old data is very reverent today as it was a year ago.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself downplaying how angry the fed up Chicago citizens are. I'm positive you would not put up with the same on your street.

And perhaps you're unaware that your hero, Trump, was a failure at removing "illegal aliens already in America".

Shrug, compares nothing to the millions and millions your hero Biden and his open door policy welcoming illegal aliens to America, free food, clothing, medical care, phones, lodging, schooling, the list goes on at the expense of the American taxpayer

In short, Milwaukee's fine but I would never live in a state whose voters would elect Ron Johnson to the senate. That guy's a moron.

Ya, Johnson is hot on the trail of the Biden Crime Family. Of course you don't like him.

bighairymike: As if the big city democrats falling all over one another to declare their city as a a sanctuary had nothing to do with it.

Well, 24 cities had declared themselves sanctuaries.

They included big cities like New York and Chicago; college towns such as Ann Arbor, Mich., and Ithaca, N.Y.; and the suburbs of Swarthmore, Pa., and Takoma Park, Md.

New Mexico and Wisconsin also declared themselves sanctuary states.

By 1987.

They only became an issue when you guys voted a racist into the White House in the 21st century.

Shrug, compares nothing to the millions and millions your hero Biden and his open door policy welcoming illegal aliens to America, free food, clothing, medical care, phones, lodging, schooling, the list goes on at the expense of the American taxpayer

Again, he's conveniently not remembering that blue cities like the one he lives in proudly said they wouldn't cooperate with ICE.

See how democrats failing to protect public safety gives him a nice attempt at a talking point? Might work if he was good at debating.

New Mexico and Wisconsin also declared themselves sanctuary states.

Currently Wisconsin has three entities considered to be sanctuary cities: Madison, Milwaukee County and Racine. All three cities are democrat polluted. Cities I would never want to live in.

Wisconsin Bill To End Sanctuary Cities Passes State Assembly

https://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/86/spiros/med...

The 11 Sanctuary States

https://www.fairus.org/issue/sanctuary-policies/do...

'BIDEN'S BORDER CRISIS IS THE WORST IN AMERICAN HISTORY
HIS POLICIES CONTINUE TO MAKE IT WORSE'

LM: If you are worried about illegal immigration you better also be worried about climate change. Its disruptions are already causing more migration.

LM: If you are worried about illegal immigration you better also be worried about climate change. Its disruptions are already causing more migration.

I live in tundra country. They didn't like Canada's weather, they won't like it here.

Climate baloney change has nothing to do with illegals crossing the border.

Climate baloney change has nothing to do with illegals crossing the border. - LM

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You think it might have anything to do with the loads of free stuff that is heaped on the migrants once they get here, regardless of any tiny 1 or 2 degree temperature difference between here and where ever they came from?

LM: If you are worried about illegal immigration you better also be worried about climate change. Its disruptions are already causing more migration.

..... and Family Planning! Assorted right wing extremists and bible thumpers worked hard to prevent funding for birth control and abortion services in impoverished nations south of our border... the wonderful banana republics we controlled that filled our stores with winter produce, garments, etc.
So now, here come the immigrant masses. It was so predictable.

and Family Planning! Assorted right wing extremists and bible thumpers worked hard to prevent funding for birth control and abortion services in impoverished nations south of our border... the wonderful banana republics we controlled that filled our stores with winter produce, garments, etc.
So now, here come the immigrant masses. It was so predictable.

What a bunch of baloney.

The US taxpayer dollars have gone above the call of duty supporting Latin American countries.
Not to mention just about every Church across small towns, large cities and state funded monies including missionaries, organizations have donated their monies and their time going to countries all around the world to help those in need including women's groups offering care and information on birth control.
And those banana republics people have been coming to America for generations and generations
to help with the crops in America and taking their earned money back home, returning the next season of crops to be taken care of. They didn't just showed up in recent years.
Yes, the immigrant masses are coming because Biden is giving them a free all expense paid pass to come not to help them but in turn to vote democrat come future elections.
Guess who is screaming loud and clear enough is enough? Your fellow democrats who are shelling out their tax money to support them and the politicians who are complaining we have no more room for the illegal aliens.

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'The United States Announces More than $314 Million in New Stabilization Efforts and Humanitarian Assistance for Venezuelans and other Migrants at the Summit of the Americas..... and Family Planning! Assorted right wing extremists and bible thumpers worked hard to prevent funding for birth control and abortion services in impoverished nations south of our border... the wonderful banana republics we controlled that filled our stores with winter produce, garments, etc.
So now, here come the immigrant masses. It was so predictable.'

https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-relea...

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'The United States Agency for International Development announced $42.5 million in new humanitarian funding for the people of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. This brings USAID's total humanitarian funding for these three countries to nearly $261 million since April 2021.
The new funding from USAID, which was virtually announced by Assistant to the Administrator for Bureau for Humanitarian Assistance Sarah Charles during the 2023 Northern Central America Humanitarian Roundtable in Geneva, will help enable our United Nations (UN) and NGO partners to reach an additional 182,000 people across the region with life-saving assistance. This is in addition to the three million people reached by USAID and partners since April 2021. The new assistance will support programs that reduce food insecurity for the most vulnerable, support survivors and those at risk of gender-based violence and children in need of protection, help households to restore their livelihoods, and provide safe drinking water for poor families. Additionally, USAID will continue to expand local, national, and regional capabilities to strengthen disaster preparedness, mitigation, and response.'

https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-relea....

But then we have democrats wanting to stop aid to south american countries,
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'The hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid that Washington annually provides to several Central American countries as part of an effort to reduce the numbers of desperate migrants who flock to the U.S. southern border could be in jeopardy if a Democratic appropriator with years of experience on the issue has anything to say about it.

Rep. Norma J. Torres, D-Calif., a first-generation immigrant from Guatemala and one of the biggest proponents on Capitol Hill of targeted development assistance to the region, said at a recent House Appropriations State-Foreign Operations Subcommittee hearing that she wanted to cut off all foreign aid to the Northern Triangle countries of Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.'

https://rollcall.com/2023/05/03/democratic-appropr...

Public Health in Latin America:
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'The history of contraceptives and their reception in Latin America is as complex and varied as the region itself. Countries generally furnished availability and encouraged use through family planning programs, many of which were supported by U.S.-based organizations, such as USAID. Latin American countries have a storied and contentious history with reproductive health care and family planning, which are intrinsically tied with movements of international aid, eugenics, and nationalism (Measham, 1975). At the introduction of the oral contraceptive pill to international markets in the 1960s, their availability was controversial, especially where church, state, and populace disagreed (Briggs, 2002).'

https://sites.google.com/macalester.edu/phla/key-c...

sano: Assorted right wing extremists and bible thumpers worked hard to prevent funding for birth control and abortion services in impoverished nations south of our border...

LurkerMom: What a bunch of baloney. ... Yes, the immigrant masses are coming because Biden is giving them a free all expense paid pass to come not to help them but in turn to vote democrat come future elections.

Well, sano is right. The Trump administration withheld funding from UNFPA, the United Nations Population Fund responsible for family planning and birth control, from FY 2017 - FY 2021.

If you'd just said that Biden restored the funding, you'd be right, too.

But the idea that "Biden is giving them a free all expense paid pass to come not to help them but in turn to vote democrat" is just plain old factually incorrect fearmongering. Non-citizens are prohibited from voting in federal elections.

...there's no need to go further.

You should have gone further. He explained why those weren't "mendacious lies", and then refuted every point you made. To put it bluntly, he thrashed your post with verifiable facts and data. Instead of engaging in conversation, perhaps attempting to find errors in his post, you just posted a one-liner dismissive which didn't really contribute anything.

I think your view is colored by what you see in Seattle. The other poster provided national data, but I think you are mostly seeing Seattle policies that result in more open drug use and vagrancy in downtown Seattle. I can understand that, especially if you're confronted with it daily. But Seattle is not the entire nation. Maybe Seattle is screwed up; I dunno. But the facts of the Biden successes in this first term are quantifiable and verifiable. At least the ones the other poster mentioned are.

As is the Republican preference for corporate socialism, as the other poster explained. Not that Dems are immune to that since corporations are big campaign contributors, and Dems want to get reelected, too. Reps may not favor socialism that benefits the common man (e.g. universal health care), but they are totally on-board with privatizing profits and socializing losses for Big <insert industry here>.

But the idea that "Biden is giving them a free all expense paid pass to come not to help them but in turn to vote democrat" is just plain old factually incorrect fearmongering. Non-citizens are prohibited from voting in federal elections.

You wish..The American people knows otherwise, but go ahead, waste your time to dispute it.

'Biden's open border: One of the most successful voter drives in Democrats' history'
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'At the southern border, Mr. Biden has illegally opened the gates to just about anyone ' be they drug and sex traffickers, or migrant job seekers, or sex offenders or other criminals. The brutal Mexican drug cartels are getting richer. Their Chinese-produced fentanyl is killing record numbers of Americans. Official count of people illegally entering the U.S. is in the millions in 2021-22 and will go even higher the rest of Mr. Biden's term because he wants it to.
Take the two separately or together ' federalized ballot counting and opened borders ' and you've got yourself a successful Democratic voter drive.
'You know, 11 million people live in the shadows,' then-Vice President Biden said in 2014 of the U.S. illegal population. 'I believe they're already American citizens.'

Candidate Biden urged foreign invaders to 'surge' and promised them free stuff. His Department of Homeland Secretary chief has pledged not to deport illegals. White House press secretary Jen Psaki said illegals are free to roam the country. Mr. Biden is about to suspend a public health law that will result in a half-million illegal crossings in a matter of weeks, Republicans say.'

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/26/b...

Have a rec for citing credible sources.

As one of your links said, the history of contraception in Latin America is complex. There is a cultural element, for sure. I don't know the present status tying it to US aid, but I can remember twenty or thirty years ago that there was a lot of consternation on the part of Reps that US aid would include contraception and the education to use it. I haven't heard anything about that lately, so maybe that roadblock has died down. I'm sure the missionaries continue to preach that, but that's not governmental, so of no concern to me (i.e. missionaries can preach whatever they like as long as the local government allows it).

The US taxpayer dollars have gone above the call of duty supporting Latin American countries.

Congrats on the sources.

But I have to say - no, but it needs assessment. We helped overthrow the Guatemalan government, and what we did in Chile with Pinochet has pluses and minuses. I don't think we're responsible for Venezuela. We invaded Haiti at one point IIRC. We've used gunboat diplomacy up and down the Americas. We made the Monroe Doctrine militant. So we've interfered with Governments up and down the Americas and caused destabilization in some areas. The immigration is caused by poverty, violence, and food insecurity, some of which we helped create. One of the Mexican Drug Lords had an anti-aircraft gun we gave Guatemala, but there's plenty of Kalashnikovs so we're not alone. But, no, I don't think we've gone over and above the call of duty. We probably should do more.

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