Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 4
Christ on a Pogo Stick.....
He was magnificent.
Eloquently and firmly gave the EuroTrash a nice trip to the woodshed.
Wow.
I've not seen that from an American in a long long time.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Yup. I’m going to have to post that speech. It was amazing, and boy did he get it right.
You can’t call yourself a ‘defender of democracy’ when you suppress free speech and cancel elections. He ripped them a new one right to their smug faces. Bravo, Mr. Vice President.
No. of Recommendations: 4
I was not hot on him as VP ---NOT because I had a beef with him, I just felt he brought a constituency we already had.
BUT man, that Europe trip - unbelievable.
LOL he offended the Europeans by calling for Free Speech.
Europe needs Glasnost and Perestroika LOLOLOLOLLKOL and so does the modern Left.
No. of Recommendations: 8
You can’t call yourself a ‘defender of democracy’ when you suppress free speech and cancel elections.
The ignorance is staggering given that Vance met with neo-nazis, the very people who suppress free speech and cancel elections.
Oh, the irony.
No. of Recommendations: 4
It's not the Neo Nazis suppressing speech in Europe.
It's EUROPEAN LEADERS, along with you Liberals here in America.
See? Progressives resent their European colonizer buddies getting reminded about basic liberties.
No. of Recommendations: 4
The ignorance is staggering given that Vance met with neo-nazis, the very people who suppress free speech and cancel elections.
Oh, the irony.
He met with AfD, the party likely to win next in Germany.
You can’t fix stupid. But you *can* vote democrats out of office.
No. of Recommendations: 10
He met with AfD, the party likely to win next in Germany.Now I understand why you and Vance like the AfD so much.
Some excerpts from the ADL link below:
Founded in 2013 as an anti-European Union party, AfD has since radicalized and become an extremist, anti-immigrant party whose aim is “to eliminate the free democratic basic order,” according to a 2023 report by the German Institute for Human Rights.
AfD leaders have made antisemitic, anti-Muslim and anti-democratic statements, detailed below.
Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD party in the state of Thuringia, has twice been fined by a German court for using a banned Nazi slogan. The phrase, “Everything for Germany” (“Alles für Deutschland”) was a slogan of the Nazi stormtroopers and engraved on their daggers.
Höcke has engaged in extremist speech to the extent that a judge ruled that he could be described as a fascist without fear of a defamation suit, because such a description was a “value judgment based on facts.”
AfD members were exposed as participants in a November 2023 secret meeting of far-right extremists in Potsdam, including Austrian neo-Nazi Martin Sellner, who discussed a mass deportation plan for foreigners and "non-assimilated" Germans, as part of AfD’s strategy should it be elected to govern Germany.https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/alterna...
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Founded in 2013 as an anti-European Union party, AfD has since radicalized and become an extremist, anti-immigrant party whose aim is “to eliminate the free democratic basic order,” according to a 2023 report by the German Institute for Human Rights.
So, basically, the NAZIs. That party is illegal in Germany, so they can't call themselves that. But a rose by any other name...
Outlawing the party was kinda silly, because the ideas persist.
The last time things were going like this, we had two bench-clearing wars in rapid succession. Heck, even "national heroes" like Lindburgh and Ford were NAZI sympathizers. It wasn't until the excrement hit the fan that Ford changed his mind. Not sure Lindburgh ever did (I genuinely don't know).
No. of Recommendations: 3
He met with AfD, the party likely to win next in Germany.
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WHY does Alpha Wolf hate our NATO allies so much and doesn't even want us talking with them?
Man these Bushies are so anti diplomacy.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Now I understand why you and Vance like the AfD so much.
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I don't.
BUT I believe in diplomacy and "democracy!!!!" - and if that is the "Democratically!" elected way Germany goes, I'm all for having a relationship with them.
You despot and dictator lovers don't get Democracy nor understand it.
You only cite it in the limited instances it benefits you.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Founded in 2013 as an anti-European Union party, AfD has since radicalized and become an extremist, anti-immigrant party whose aim is “to eliminate the free democratic basic or
Uh, huh. Because opposing opening the borders and just letting anyone is so teh awesome.
Meanwhile, you’re on board with censorship, suppression of free speech and criminals running wild all over the country. And you’re cool with rigging and/or cancelling elections if you don’t get your way. That’s real champion of democracy stuff!
You’re right. You can’t fix stupid. But you *can* vote democrats out of office.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Even in Europe, club 401K is deaf.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Even in Europe, club 401K is deaf.</iL
Anyone who expresses any thought outside of the euro WEF orthodoxy gets labeled as a HITLERPUTINNAZIFASCIST just like here. You’d think for originality’s sake they’d come up with something original but that’s too much to ask.
The left chants ‘democracy’ and the droogs here cheer locking people up for praying and love overturning elections. Then they want to talk about ‘irony’.
I don’t know how they got this dumb.
No. of Recommendations: 11
Dope- you’re ranting again about fantasies in your own mind that share more in common with what you folks are doing than what anyone else is doing.
Your posts easily support the observation about accusations and confessions.
Breathe.
No. of Recommendations: 1
If Europe needs to do more heavy lifting.
If Europe needs to militarize more.
Who--- will be the big dog in Europe?
And which way is that country trending politically????
BAAAAAAAAAAA the fun is only starting.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Your posts easily support the observation about accusations and confessions.
Cancel any more flights lately?
No. of Recommendations: 2
Marco Rubio was on CBS this morning. Margaret Brennan may now be the dumbest media person out there:
https://x.com/SKMorefield/status/18911546284456140... RUBIO: And so I think if anyone's angry about his words — they don't have to agree with him, but to be angry about it, I think actually makes his point. I thought it was actually a pretty historic speech, whether you agree with him or not, I think the valid points he's making to Europe is: We are concerned that the true values that we share — the values that bind us together with Europe — are things like free speech and democracy and our shared history in winning two world wars and defeating Soviet communism and the like. These are the values that we shared in common, and in that Cold War, we fought against things like censorship and oppression and so forth. And when you see backsliding, and you raise that, that's a very valid concern.
We can't tell them how to run their countries...He simply expressed in his speech his view of it, which a lot of people, frankly, share. And I thought...he said a lot of things in that speech that needed to be said. And honestly, I don't know why anybody would be upset about it...You don't have to agree with someone's speech — I happen to agree with a lot of what he said, but you don't have to agree with someone's speech to at least appreciate the fact they have a right to say it, and you should listen to it and see whether those criticisms are valid. I assure you the United States has come under withering criticism on many occasions from many leaders in Europe, and we don't go around throwing temper tantrums about it.
BRENNAN: Well, he was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized to conduct a genocide. And he met with the head of a political party that has far-right views — and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context of that was changing the tone of it...and you know that — that the censorship was...specifically about the right —So the Nazis weaponized free speech? This is stupid on stilts. And yet, there’s probably more than one poster here who would agree with this nonsense.
No. of Recommendations: 3
And now the German guy was in tears after Vance’s speech. This is the same guy that was laughing at Trump a few years ago when he warned them about depending on Russia for natural gas.
I remember a Europe that wasn’t this stupid. Man, how times have changed.
60 Minutes topped itself with a piece on how Germany is free-speech policing its citizens. Evidently it was a doozy. The dream of every leftist.
No. of Recommendations: 13
I remember a Europe that wasn’t this stupid. Man, how times have changed.
Times certainly have changed.
I remember when Americans fought the nazis, not sent our VP to kiss up to them.
No. of Recommendations: 2
I remember when Americans fought the nazis, not sent our VP to kiss up to them.
I'll let you pick:
1. Are you ignorant of europe's "free speech" laws?
2. Are you aware of them but support them?
Which one? There's a door #3 also: just here to poop post.
No. of Recommendations: 11
Are you ignorant of europe's "free speech" laws?
2. Are you aware of them but support them?
Answer #1: I fully support our free speech laws in the United States
Answer #2: After the sheer destruction and murder that a Nazi regime brought down on the heads of Germany and Europe in general, I fully understand their outlawing of hate speech and Nazi symbols.
They are actually serious when they say “Never again!”
But that is fast becoming an academic exercise because it looks like it’s beginning to happen there anyway.
3 Dope, my brother… stop with the goofy questions you ask. You appear to think you are being crafty by asking them.
You’re not.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Answer #1: I fully support our free speech laws in the United States
Wrong answer. This is about europe's free speech laws.
:I fully understand their outlawing of hate speech and Nazi symbols.
A dodge. Try again.
As for Door #3, you went through it a while ago.
No. of Recommendations: 11
A dodge. Try again.
Nope. Not a dodge at all.
Simply a flat out rejection of the fascist propaganda that you are drowning in.
Go peddle your sad sack tears for Europe’s nazis to those who agree with you.
No. of Recommendations: 8
Yup. I’m going to have to post that speech. It was amazing, and boy did he get it right.
You can’t call yourself a ‘defender of democracy’ when you suppress free speech and cancel elections
I think you can, and you are wise to do so. Karlheinz Popper talked to us about-
SNIPPEE
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945),[1] where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to deny tolerance to those who promote intolerance. Popper posited that if intolerant ideologies are allowed unchecked expression, they could exploit open society values to erode or destroy tolerance itself through authoritarian or oppressive practices.
The paradox has been widely discussed within ethics and political philosophy, with varying views on how tolerant societies should respond to intolerant forces. John Rawls, for instance, argued that a just society should generally tolerate the intolerant, reserving self-preservation actions only when intolerance poses a concrete threat to liberty and stability. Other thinkers, such as Michael Walzer, have examined how minority groups, which may hold intolerant beliefs, are nevertheless beneficiaries of tolerance within pluralistic societies. SNIPPOO Wiki
Who is busy intolerantly wiping DEI out anywhere it shows up, even to the point of withholding Federal funds from Middle Schools and Kinder Gardens?
No. of Recommendations: 8
I'll let you pick:
1. Are you ignorant of europe's "free speech" laws?
2. Are you aware of them but support them?
Which one? There's a door #3 also: just here to poop post.
Your avoidance of the point of my post, whether intentional or out of ignorance, matters not.
The Vice President of the United States went to Germany and obsequiously chose to meet with and support a neo-nazi political group.
You either think this was a good idea and in the interest of the United States to support a neo-nazi political party or you don’t.
It’s a simple question to answer.
Do you, like Vice President Vance, support the neo-nazis or do you think it is un-American to support neo-nazis?
Your refusal to answer, or to change the subject, speaks volumes.
No. of Recommendations: 3
So it’s door #3 with a bunch of door number 2 thrown in.
Here’s a pro tip for you: just because a bunch of loser European groups call you a Nazi it doesn’t make you one. I mean, you people call literally anyone you disagree with a Nazi. In your head the little green people tell you it’s true but out here in the real world…not so much.
I realize my choices were flawed. It’s entirely probable that you’re actually trying to hit all 3 doors - 1) unaware that you can be jailed for what you and other libs here post on this board, 2) you’re all in favor of this kind of law if you’re the one jailing people and 3) just here to throw sh1t.
Hat trick! Congrats.
No. of Recommendations: 8
Here’s a pro tip for you: just because a bunch of loser European groups call you a Nazi it doesn’t make you one.Well, you’re no pro.
I’ve listed lots of facts that the AfD party are neo-nazis which you chose to ignore. That’s on you.
You can hide your head in the sand, but it doesn’t change reality.
Vice President Vance, and by default the Trump administration, are supporting neo-nazis.
Kind of like obscenity. You know it when you see it.
Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD party in the state of Thuringia, has twice been fined by a German court for using a banned Nazi slogan. The phrase, “Everything for Germany” (“Alles für Deutschland”) was a slogan of the Nazi stormtroopers and engraved on their daggers.
Höcke has engaged in extremist speech to the extent that a judge ruled that he could be described as a fascist without fear of a defamation suit, because such a description was a “value judgment based on facts.”
AfD members were exposed as participants in a November 2023 secret meeting of far-right extremists in Potsdam, including Austrian neo-Nazi Martin Sellner, who discussed a mass deportation plan for foreigners and "non-assimilated" Germans, as part of AfD’s strategy should it be elected to govern Germany.https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/alterna...Then came a speech in 2021, in which Höcke repeated a slogan used by the Nazis: “Everything for Germany.”
German law bans the phrase, and Höcke was charged with knowingly using a Nazi slogan. He claimed he wasn’t aware of the phrase’s history.
But then, he invoked the slogan again.
“He went to Gera in front of a public audience and he made everybody scream, ‘All for Germany,’ after he already knew that he was on criminal charges for this,” says Stephan Kramer, domestic intelligence chief in Thuringia, where the state chapter of the AfD is classified as an extremist organization and is under government surveillance. “Look. Any misunderstandings? ‘Oh, he didn’t know what that means.’ Let me remind you: He is a history teacher, a certified history teacher, and he knows damned well what this phrase means.”
Germany’s Enemy Within examines how such anti-immigrant rhetoric has found a foothold in Germany, allegations that it has inspired attacks, and how, if Höcke and the AfD win power in Thuringia, it would be the first time a far-right party has controlled a German state since the Nazis. The film is a potent look at violent far-right attacks and plots over the past decade, the increased political power of Germany’s far right, and the potential implications.
“This is exactly a situation that we would have never thought would occur after what we’ve learned in ‘33 to ‘45,” Kramer, the domestic intelligence chief in Thuring.https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germany...Even far-right Marine Le Pen won’t get near the AFD.
In response to the remarks, France’s far-right National Rally (RN) announced it would no longer sit with the AfD in the European Parliament.
RN leader Marine Le Pen told French radio that "it was urgent to establish a cordon sanitaire" between the parties.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go
No. of Recommendations: 4
You can’t call yourself a ‘defender of democracy’ when you suppress free speech and cancel elections
You sure as hell can't call yourself a 'defender of democracy' when you cozy up to and start acting like a Nazi.
No. of Recommendations: 2
You're going to have to do better than a dude shouting something in protest to Germany's anti-speech laws, which we've now pretty much concluded that you support.
Being anti-open borders doesn't make one a Nazi. Sooner or later you're going to have to come to grips with that. Or not.
No. of Recommendations: 5
You can’t call yourself a ‘defender of democracy’ when you suppress free speech and cancel elections.
Quite right.
So what was the final straw that convinced you to abandon the Republican Party?
After all, they are the ones who want to suppress free speech and tried to cancel an election.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 3
So what was the final straw that convinced you to abandon the Republican Party?
Hasn't been a 1st straw, much less a final one. No one tried to cancel any election. And Big Tech...cancelled speech on *your* behalf, not mine.
Come on, man. Do better. This isn't even exercise at this point; rolling out of bed is harder.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Trumper says: You can’t call yourself a ‘defender of democracy’ when you suppress free speech and cancel elections.
ptheland: So what was the final straw that convinced you to abandon the Republican Party?
After all, they are the ones who want to suppress free speech and tried to cancel an election.
You'd think these Trumper's heads would explode with trying to contain the cognitive dissonance.
Such hypocrisy and utter lack of self-awareness is astonishing.
No. of Recommendations: 13
No one tried to cancel any election.
That’s what Trump attempted on 1/6/21.
Of course you think it was either a bunch of tourists…. Or an antifa riot…. Or an entrapment scheme led by Ray Epps and the FBI- ANYTHING but what it was- a planned attempt by Trump to overturn a fair election.
We saw it happen right before our eyes. Most of us knew the balloon was going up several days before when Trump tweeted for his boyz to come to Washington for a wild time.
Donald Trump will go down in history as a curse.
And Merrick Garland- as a chicken shit.
No. of Recommendations: 3
That’s what Trump attempted on 1/6/21.
No, he didn't. Sooner or later you're going to need to grow up and accept that. Probably not until 2029, though.
No. of Recommendations: 4
No, he didn't.
Of course the truth burns you. We get it.
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Of course the truth isn't something the left deals in. We get it.
No. of Recommendations: 4
1. Are you ignorant of europe's "free speech" laws?
2. Are you aware of them but support them?
Yes, I've been watching to see how well it works, and this is a good test. If the US drops down from one of the great democracies, then the euro way is better.
Incidentally, our Free Speech is derived from Europe. Jefferson was in Paris and very much paying attention to the Free Speech ideas/debates being discussed in Europe. He wrote to Madison requesting it be incorporated into the Constitution, and it became part of the First Amendment. I've been thinking for some time that we may need to curb disinformation and hate speech, and watching how well those limitations work. They do seem to work.
No. of Recommendations: 12
Of course the truth isn't something the left deals in.
Says the guy who can’t face the truth about what happened on 1/6.
Don't feel like you’re alone. Virtually the entire mob of ivermectin promoting MAGA is right there with you!
No. of Recommendations: 3
Says the guy who can’t face the truth about what happened on 1/6.
Says the guy who just can't accept the fact that Trump told them to be peaceful. Whoops.
Meanwhile, libs in Germany are doing the things you wish you had to power to do here.
ivermectin <--- Shaking my head.
Let me guess: you've had 5 boosters and have had COVID at least 3 times, haven't you?
No. of Recommendations: 9
Let me guess: you've had 5 boosters and have had COVID at least 3 times, haven't you?
Twice- basically a bad cold.
Didn’t have to go to the hospital and I didn’t die….
Which is more than I can say for the million plus Americans who did die from it, many of them gasping for breath, still proud thst they did their own research and took horse paste or hydroxychloroquine.
Really, Dope. I know you were trying to insult me for actually taking precautions against COVID and I’m at a loss to understand why you think this is a winning strategy, especially since I remember you saying that you had the vaccine as well.
Maybe it’s the boosters you’re contemptuous of. I honestly don’t have a clue other than you think you’ve gained some sort of advantage by not taking the boosters.
Whatever raises your status in the death cult of Trump.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Which is more than I can say for the million plus Americans who did die from it, many of them gasping for breath, still proud thst they did their own research and took horse paste or hydroxychloroquine.
Riiiiiight. This is as opposed to triple-masking liberals who still think it's May, 2020. Got plenty of them in Seattle.
Really, Dope. I know you were trying to insult me for actually taking precautions against COVID and I’m at a loss to understand why you think this is a winning strategy, especially since I remember you saying that you had the vaccine as well.
Because you didn't pick up on the insult. I had my 2 shots and that was it. I've had COVID once and that was it. I know loads of people who line up to get the latest booster - some have had 4 or more of them - and they get COVID all the time.
No. of Recommendations: 8
Riiiiiight. This is as opposed to triple-masking liberals who still think it's May, 2020. Got plenty of them in Seattle.
Got a few in Ann Arbor as well. Sometimes I think they are oddities, but then I notice most of them are old…. Perhaps they have asthma or COPD. Perhaps they are undergoing chemo and their immune system is terribly compromised. Perhaps their level of precaution exactly matches their physiological vulnerability to gettinG COVID and dying an agonizing death.
So who are we to judge?
No. of Recommendations: 6
You can’t call yourself a ‘defender of democracy’ when you suppress free speech and cancel elections</i9>
You are aware that different countries have different versions of Free speech? That having differences is a sovereign right? Novalny could've given you an interesting discussion on Free Speech, couldn't he?
No. of Recommendations: 10
This is as opposed to triple-masking liberals who still think it's May, 2020. Got plenty of them in Seattle.
When Dope says he wants people to be free, he means that he wants them to do what he chooses, not what they themselves choose to do. Nobody is free unless they match his choices. I'll take my brand of freedom, thanks anyway, Dope.
No. of Recommendations: 4
That having differences is a sovereign right?
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Too bad it isn't ok for America and Americans to want sovereignty and furthermore, why did some nations interfere with South African sovereignty during apartheid days.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Of course the truth isn't something the left deals in.
Says the Dope who supports the lyingest liar who ever disgraced US politics. And who gets his 'news' from pure propaganda sources.
You are sounding more cultish and dopey every day.
No. of Recommendations: 6
Got a few in Ann Arbor as well. Sometimes I think they are oddities, but then I notice most of them are old
And I know some of them are good people who may be sick, but must go out and are trying to prevent spreading whatever it is they might have.
No. of Recommendations: 5
And I know some of them are good people who may be sick, but must go out and are trying to prevent spreading whatever it is they might have.
C'mon now, we're old. There are plenty of us feeling our mortality. I see old couples masking and I think - vulnerable immune system. At times in my life I have felt my immune system was compromised. I got sick for weeks in the Philippines, and I had one chronically infected sweat gland removed. I think I had Dengue that converted to pneumonia - and I learned from that I'm not 19 anymore. I have to guard and take care of myself and not be stoic.
I had to mask for my wife, and even though I explained to her that if you're out in the sunlight in fresh air away from folks - difficult to catch - still she was unhappy with me taking the mask off. I do VITA and when someone is wearing a mask, I put mine on.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Of course the truth burns you. We get it.
Like a vampire burned by sunlight....
No. of Recommendations: 5
Being in an Asian household, I probably see more of them because we frequent Asian markets. They are much more common among the Asian communities. But I do see a fair number of older white folks (and occasionally a younger one) wearing masks in public. And this is in red Arizona (we do have a lot of older people here, also).
The reality is that we should be wearing masks to protect the older people. Them wearing masks isn't nearly as effective as if we all wore them. But it does help a little bit. And, for now, they're free to wear them if they choose. Just as I am. (I always wear one when we travel...from the moment to hit the airport until we are getting a ride to our hotel at our destination.)
No. of Recommendations: 8
No one tried to cancel any election.
That’s what Trump attempted on 1/6/21.
No he didn't.
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He most certainly did try and circumvent the will of the people. From "find" me some votes (an invitation to manufacture votes) to the insurrection on Jan 6. That's what history will record. Nobody is fooled, time ran out.
BTW - no riots yet, don't see any riots.
No. of Recommendations: 6
Too bad it isn't ok for America and Americans to want sovereignty
This makes me question if you understand sovereignty.
and furthermore, why did some nations interfere with South African sovereignty during apartheid days.
The USA has interfered with the Sovereignty of many nations.
No. of Recommendations: 5
That’s what Trump attempted on 1/6/21.
No he didn't.
Do you think that stupid little 'No he didn't' negates reality that we all observed? What we repeatedly saw Trump do to try and steal an election he clearly lost.
You've been brainwashed. Sad.
