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...on "The Five," Jessica Tarlov and Greg Gutfeld were discussing vice president Harris's statement that "in the state of Florida, they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefited from slavery".
TARLOV: "Would someone say, about the Holocaust, for instance, that there were some benefits for the Jews, right? That while they were hanging out in concentration camps you learned a strong work ethic, right? Maybe you learned a new skill."
GUTFELD: "Did you ever read 'Man's Search for Meaning'? Vik Frankl talked about how you had to survive in a concentration camp by having skills. You had to be useful. Utility. Utility kept you alive."
OMG.
Those babies, toddlers, and children who were murdered by the Nazis just failed to learn a useful enough skill.
The tens of thousands -- perhaps hundreds of thousands -- of Jews who were marched straight to the ovens didn't use their time properly and learn the basic concept of utility in order to survive.
Tarlov, who's Jewish, didn't spit in Gutfeld's eye. She didn't even raise a mild objection. Nor did the others on the panel.
That, friends, is Fox News in a nutshell.
And that ain't hyperbole.
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And that ain't hyperbole.
Well, you just turned the segment into hyperbole taking it out of content, adding sensational commentary.
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And that ain't hyperbole.
Yes it is. You failed in the other thread when presented with the actual facts, so now you're trying again.
I'll give you this: Once you have a narrative, you'll run through plate glass windows to promulgate it.
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LurkerMom: Well, you just turned the segment into hyperbole taking it out of content [sic], adding sensational commentary.
How did I take it out of content, err, context? I QUOTED THE DISCUSSION.
And how is my commentary incorrect? Hhmm?
Dope1: Yes it is. You failed in the other thread when presented with the actual facts, so now you're trying again.
Ah, the infamous Dope1 declaration: "You failed."
Well, if Cooke wrote it in the National Review it must be the God's unvarnished Truth.
That was sarcasm, just in case you didn't learn that in school, either.
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And that ain't hyperbole.
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Well, you just turned the segment into hyperbole taking it out of content, adding sensational commentary.
Far from hyperbole. Your jaw-dropping comment reveals only that you haven't the faintest idea of what went on in the concentration camps, the tortures, starvations, wholesale degradations, deprivations, and degradations. The difference between those who survived and those who perished was often strictly chance.
My in-laws managed to survive, having been informed on after they had infiltrated a German paramilitary organization in France (and hidden the fact that they were Jewish). My mother-in-law survived Auschwitz. And my father-in-law survived a series of camps that included Dachau and Matthausen. And it was a combination of craftiness and creativity.....that they honed when they were in the French Underground, NOT developed in the camps.....and sheer luck. Then there are all of their relatives (including my mother-in-law's mother), and family of my father's who had remained in Poland, who never survived the camps.
Hyperbole? I'm shaking my head.
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Ah, the infamous Dope1 declaration: "You failed."
Don't want the label? Then don't fail.
Well, if Cooke wrote it in the National Review it must be the God's unvarnished Truth.
See, that right there is what Failing looks like. You didn't bother to read any of the over 100 curriculum points in Cooke's article. If you had, you'd understand that Harris' attack - and your parroting of it - was so far off base it's not even the same sport.
It was just another disgusting smear from a party that loses every time it tries to debate a real issue.
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That, friends, is Fox News in a nutshell.
FOX 'news' bears much responsibility for the madness of the American right and the demise of true conservatism, replaced by something utterly un-American and unrecognizable as the once 'Grand Old Party'. This was the party of Lincoln! OMG.
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Lurker Mom, a few disputed the data on the holocaust. The argument was the camps weren't built to kill people that rapidly, and there was something to that - but we know they died. We had to listen to how it worked during the months of accelerated death.
So we got a picture of people being starved to death, then packed tightly into rail cars, many times left on sidings for days. By the time the trains got to the camps, half the people were already dead. If half arrived already dead, then the camp could logistically handle killing the remainder. We never see that in the movies, even Schindler's List. There were not just death camps, there were death trains.
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The argument was the camps weren't built to kill people that rapidly, and there was something to that - but we know they died. We had to listen to how it worked during the months of accelerated death.
Their first few camps were inefficient, in terms of extermination. Like Dachau. I forget which was the first camp that was built employing efficient German engineering (Sobibor?). It wasn't built with labor in mind, just genocide. It had body chutes (similar to coal chutes) to deliver bodies for disposal, purpose-built gas chambers, etc. This was a response to the inefficiencies of the older camps. I believe the last several camps they built were on that model (including Auschwitz).
Yes, they did pack them tight on the trains, and many died there, too. I'm not sure "half", but it was a lot.
The primary reason we have any data at all is that the Germans were meticulous record-keepers. After all, they had to document the glory of the Reich for posterity! Even so, numbers do have some error bars. Auschwitz was about 1.1M; combined all the camps were about 12M (it wasn't just Jews, whom accounted for about 6M...another roughly 6M Soviet citizens of non-Jewish descent were killed, plus gypsies (Roma), non-Jewish Poles, Soviet POWs, Jehovah's Witnesses, and others). The error bars are perhaps 10%, resulting largely from records being lost/destroyed.
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Yes, they did pack them tight on the trains, and many died there, too. I'm not sure "half", but it was a lot.
Not just packed in tight. No room to sit, let alone curl up on the floor to sleep. No food. Almost no water. One large bucket or garbage can for the entire car of people to use as a toilet, and never emptied at the occasional stop. Children, young people, elderly and old people. Healthy and sick. Some of the people who collapsed got trampled. The windows were opened only the tiniest crack. The stench of urine, feces, and death became unbearable. And then when the train of cattle cars arrived at their destination and those who survived the trip left the cars, they were lined up for decision-making time. Those who ran the camp when down the line directing some people (children, the ill or infirm, the elderly) to the left, and those reasonably healthy and strong to the right. Those sent to the right were taken to have their hair shaved off, hosed down, given a striped uniform, and sent to a crowded barrack. Those sent to the left were killed.
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Abstract
Operation Reinhard (1942'1943) was the largest single murder campaign of the Holocaust, during which some 1.7 million Jews from German-occupied Poland were murdered by the Nazis. Most perished in gas chambers at the death camps Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka. However, the tempo, kill rates, and spatial dynamics of these events were poorly documented. Using an unusual dataset originating from railway transportation records, this study identifies an extreme phase of hyperintense killing when >1.47 million Jews'more than 25% of the Jews killed in all 6 years of World War II'were murdered by the Nazis in an intense,100-day (~3-month) surge. Operation Reinhard is shown to be an extreme event, based on kill rate, number, and proportion (>99.9%) of the population murdered in camps, highlighting its singularly violent character, even compared to other more recent genocides. The Holocaust kill rate is some 10 times higher than estimates suggested by authorities on comparative genocide.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC63148... Detailed records of the killings are almost nonexistent because of the Nazis' tight secrecy around Operation Reinhard. Any information that was recorded was deliberately burnt and destroyed by the Nazis during the war for fear of future incrimination. In addition, a large percentage of murders have to be attributed to widespread shooting, since a 'Holocaust by Bullets' took place in parallel both in and outside the GG (German occupied Poland area know as the General Government)
What's interesting in this article is they compare to Rwanda and say the killing rate was much higher/faster in Rwanda.
